Magox
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We could trade our #1 for McNabb or we could throw in Edwards and additional 4th to Philly for taking him. We can get a backup in FA or late in the draft and that would leave us with our 2nd and 3rd round picks for a center and a TE.
This means we'd have to sign an OLB and a DE in free agency. It makes things tough with two fewer draft picks but if we could GET McNabb and DISPENSE of Trent all in one move it would be a real coo.
I think that in the long run Philly will keep McNabb. We'll be back to our original plan of Sanchez in the 1st.
Brilliant!!
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If Brown, Orapko, Curry or Raji are not available I think Pettigrew is starting to look like a very good option. In an ideal world I would like to trade down a few spots to be able to get him and to pick up another draft pick. I stated this earlier in another thread, but I remember reading somewhere that he has better speed than what a lot of people are thinking about him. I think he is gonna surprise people at the combine. I've also read that he is a devastating blocker and he has mismatched and manhandled just about everyone he has faced this year (not even close) as far as his blocking is concerned. I think he would be an immediate upgrade in the run and pass game and I think it is worth it to go after him if some of the other choices are not available to us.
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Name one WIDE reciever he has in Philly... NONE, NOW name one WIDE reciever he would have in Buff-LEE EVANS.
He will still have two quality RBS in Lynch and Jackson as he does with Westroolk and buckholter(sp) . The only thing he had there he doesnt have here (yet) is LJ smith hs third favorite target at TE. Other than that our offense would be an upgrade to what he had.
To think he would get bench is a brainless conclusion. He has been to the playoffs every year he has started 10 or more games in a season with a team the has had minimal talen at best. DONVAN would be the upgrade this team needs to make the playoffs this year alone!!!
It ain't happenin
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these trade threads are getting almost ridiculous as eveyone posting "key moves to make in the off-season" threads ridiculous...you guys do realize it is to make trades in this leage right? (which is why you dont see many of them)
WURD!!
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give me a friggin break!
another "I think the Bills suck so bad and I want to be like everyone else" thread....
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5) hes preparing to sell the team
Havn't I seen you trollling around in other football message boards? I think I remember seeing a 'jax packer backer' before
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I believe that the more plausible reason that Ralph didn't can Jauron is for several different reasons.
1) He just recently signed him to a 3 year extension
2) He didn't want to have to pay him for nothing and wanted to retain and get at least another years worth of service
3) He wanted to keep the continuity and sold himself on the idea that Jauron could turn it around this season
4) He wanted to keep his word with Jauron and genuinely liked the guy and feels comfortable with him.
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Matt Birk
Brandon Pettigrew
Larry English
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I like Scaife, I think he would be an attractive option for this offseason. He is a big body, blocks really well and is a better recieving option than what we've had in a long time.
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Agreed. This thread is definitely worse.
It's a toss up
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I can't remember where I read it, but I could of swore that i read that Mayock had now placed Mack as the Number one Center after seeing the Senior Bowl practices and etc.
I will say this about Mayock, he has a knack for knowing who teams are looking to draft on draft day.
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OMG...give it up with the BILL WALSH quotes...geezus, he traded a lot to move up and get JJ Stokes because he said he was the next Jerry Rice and reminded them of him...and he was a TOTAL BUST. Even the great ones are wrong many times...just because he liked Trent doesnt mean he will make it in the NFL...geezus, enough already...
Accuracy is phenomenal? OMG, he has made a ton of terrible passes...so please, spare me the phenomenal. His accuracty rating is helped by a tendency to make short safe throws...He is an accurate passer, but phenomenal is absurd...Payton Manning is phenomenal...I would say more like above average at this point.
Clutch in crunch time?...he played well in the 4th quarter against bad teams...Great, what about the good teams? When can he start beating them? Quit living on his 4-0 start and start looking at his total body of work...one 4 game stretch against the worst teams and defenses in the league does not make a career or define a QB.
You lost a lot of credibility with me on this post to be honest...
I'm crushed!! what will I do now that I lost credibility with you
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Agree with everything except needing a # 2 WR desperately, Josh Reed is a sufficient # 2. Besides, we have some promising rookies who I expect to step up to the plate next year.
I would also put a huge emphasis on how badly we need a good security blanket TE for Trent Edwards.
I don't know if Reed is the #2 I had in mind, I do think he makes an excellent #3. But I do agree that WR may not be that much of a need for us. I have a feeling that Steve Johnson is gonna surprise people this year.
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LOL, I love this urban legend or myth about Trent...if thats his biggest strength then we are in serious trouble.
Everyone made this assesment because in his rookie year he looked calm for a rookie compared to JP running all over the place. The cold hard truth about Trent is that he plays his worst under pressure. He struggled bad even in our wins during the 4-0 stretch when he was pressured. It wasnt until the 4th qtr when both the Rams and Raiders stopped bringing so much pressure that Edwards was finally able to find a rhythm and we could make a comeback...it was so obvious that the announcers even commented on the puzzling lack of pressure these teams decided to bring in the 4th quarter after it had been so effective in the first 3 quarters...
Those games gave teams a clear blue print to beat him...pressure him because he doesnt progress through his reads well. He took horrible sacks because he holds on to the ball too long in the pocket...I mean there were times it had an eternity to throw, then didnt, and took a sack...there is NO excuse for that, and some of those ended up being fumbles too.
This guy is absolutely NOT good under pressure. Just because he doesnt run around in a panic doesnt make him good in the pocket. He could get better, but at this point, its not his strong point.
Trent absolutely needs pass protection at this point to succeed...not to mention he is shell shocked and reluctant to throw now...
You are just as wrong on this one as the idiotic post you made about Lynch being basically the same as jackson.
Trent Edwards has tremendous poise in the pocket that you very rarely see in a guy this early in his career, not to mention his accuracy is phenomonal. Bill Walsh, a great evaluator of talent (who knows a thing or two about qb talent) endorsed him and had very high praises for him. He is and will be a strength for the Bills for many years to come, next year he will prove you and the rest of the naysayers wrong!! If we would of had the quality of Qb's that we have had here over the last decade we would of lost over half the games we won. The guy is clutch in crunch time and I have tremendous faith that he will be our starting qb for many years to come. Before I came to this message board, I would of never of thought that Bills fan's had negative feelings and biases towards him, and I'm very surprised that there are many people that don't like him.
I guess it's not that surprising, look at all the idiots that want McNabb out of Philly. I guess that shows you that the average fan doesn't know SHI*&T about SHI*&T !!
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Before we start winning again (Like in the 90's) Ralph may need to sell the team, and hire and coach who knows what the heck he is doing. But as far as talent goes, we are very close I think. Its our playcalling and lack of a team identity that really hurts us. With all that being said, this is what I believe the team needs to do to end the playoff drought!!!
Team Needs:
1. PASS RUSH!!! This is by far the most important thing the Bills are lacking. B/C of our lack of a pass rush, we make average QB's look like Pro Bowlers because they have literally ALL DAY to throw!! This may not be fixed with just 1 player. However, I would cut Chris Kelsay and his $5 Million dollar salary, and bring in 2 new pass rushing ends. Possible thru free agency and another in the draft. And stop getting these undersized ends with high motors, get DE's who actually have the size and strengh to play END!!
2. CENTER!!! Anyone who saw the Bills play and struggle vs the 3-4 scheme defense knows we need a center. The Bills were 1-6 vs 3-4 schemes last year, the only team we beat with a 3-4 was San Diego. We need to address the center in Free Agency if possible. A vetern like Matt Birk (Min) or a young Jamal Brown (Bal) would be great, or possible take MACK in the NFL draft.
Remember-every team in our division runs the 3-4, and we were 0-6 in the division b/c we do not have a physical Center who can match up vs the big NT in the 3-4 scheme. Our center has to face some of the best NT in the league in Kris Jenkins, vince milfork, and jason fergusen.
3. ANOTHER RECEIVING OPTION!!! The Bills desperately need a vertern NUMBER 2 WR, this should be done in free agency. There are a number a good viable receivers on the free agent market, and besides we drafted Hardy last Year, and would like to give him 2-3 seasons to develope before we label him a BUST!! Remember that Eric Moulds took 3 seasons before he got to be good.
AND/OR
A PASS CATCHING TE!!! This would really help stretch the field and create match up problems. This could be taken care of Via free agency by signing Bo Scaife (Ten) or drafting one, like we need to do.
4. A VETERN BACKUP QB!!! Even if Trent is the answer, he has missed over 6 games in his 1st two seasons. Also, if he struggles, this QB needs to be able to step in and lead the team!!
5. DEPTH!!! We need to have succifient back-ups. 2 seasons ago, the Bills were the MOST INJURED team in the NFL. We need depth at LB, O-Line, and CB. Greer is gonna leave via free agency, so that leaves us with Mcgee, Mckelvin, and Youboty as CB, and mcgee and youboty only have 1 year remaining on there contracts.
Seriously, thats not alot. The main young are there for the right coaching staff to mold into WINNERS! We just need an OWNER who wants to WIN and shows us that!!!
GO BILLS GO!!!!!!!
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They just got to bite the bullett on this one and lock him up. Pay the Man his money!!
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Regardless of who we draft, the question still remains, will dickie j allow him to see the field from day 1? Probably not. I have no problem with Raji, but dickie would stick him at 4th on the depth chart behind stroud, williams and johnson, regardless of how good he looked during training camp.
I disagree
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What about using the other tag on Greer, I belive its called the transition tag. Pays an anverage of top 10 at position.
I don't see us doing this either, unless there was strong indication that there was a heavy interest in him from other teams that would be willing to give up draft picks.
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I wouldn't be looking to trade down. If someone offers us something for the "right price" then I'd be open to it. If you look to trade down as opposed to some one wanting to trade up, most likely you will get more in return. But I have to disagree with the orignal poster, If Brown, Orapko, Curry or Raji are available I wouldnt trade down unless it was for something ridiculous.
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At this point there isnt a player on the team that I would label exempt from a trade should the right opportunity present itself.
RBs a easy to come by
We could trade Leodis and still have a shot at Vontae Davis or Jenkins.
Trade trent, why not/ he isnt a Ryan,Flacco or Big Ben so why not?
I gotta disagree with you about Trent,
I think he will is a better quarterback than Flacco. I really havn't see what the big fuss is about Flacco. yes he does have a cannon for an arm, and he is able to make some throws that most other quarterbacks are not able to, but I believe that Trent has very good vision, and I'm hopeful and optimistic that he will prove all the Trent Naysayers wrong this upcoming year.
I don't believe in trading away talent as well except in a few occasions, and the Mcgee one does seem to make sense.
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I would do this:
Matt Birk C
Crowell (unlikely but I would) LB
Orakpo DE
Chase Coffman TE
I like this a lot as well, I prefer Brown over Orapko but I'd be very happy either way.
Don't you think that our team would be upgraded significantly with the additions of these four players?
I do...
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Keep McGee get a TE in FA or draft......
PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TRADE AWAY OUR BEST TALENT ON DEFENSE.
Before you know it, we will have huge holes at CB cause we traded all of them away.
I understand what you are saying and I am a big believer of keeping talent. But the problem is that Mcgee will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, and you got to believe that he will be commanding a very high price tag that we won't be able to match. So instead of losing him for nothing and just keeping him around for a year, we could get something back in exchange. And since it seems as if we have some quality depth at DB it does seem like a good alternative if we were to retain Greer.
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Yeah, I doubt the Browns could do better in a trade than landing a top player like McGee at a position they sorely need help in. Given how bad that relationship has been strained there I wouldnt be surprise if we could get him for Greer. Maybe trade them Greer and one of our TE's or a 2nd day draft pick...
probably a second. I think the Winslow for Mcgee trade could be doable, makes sense to me.
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Seems to me we have a pretty good young core of CB's and are pretty deep when all are back healthy (assuming we sign Greer back). So should we consider moving one via trade?
McGee - Pretty good corner
Greer - developed into one of our best, maybe even our best, cover corner
Leodis - showed tons of promise and really developed throughout the year
Youboty - played really well and started living up to his potential before injury
R. Corner - showed promise and started to develop the last part of the year
We may very well have 4 starting caliber corners on this squad (Youboty is still somewhat unproven only because he didnt really develop until this year and then got hurt) with another young CB developing in R. Corner.
So, given our depth, would it make sense to try and trade someone like McGee or even a sign and trade with Greer to try and pick up a TE or first day draft picks?
For instance...given Cle needs help at DB, maybe we could pry disgruntled Winslow from them...
If you were to try and make a trade, who do you look to move and for what in return?
As much as I love Mcgee, which I think he is an absolute Gem, I would say he would be the most logical choice to trade. He would have the most trade value because of his good coverage and return skills. The good thing is we have Leodis who seems to be as a good of a return man as Mcgee so in that area he is more expendible. I do believe that the cost of resigning Mcgee will probably well exceed that of Greer; And I do agree with Alpha about Youbouty and Corner and if we could resign Greer for something south of $6Million a year that would be a major plus, hopefully no one will offer him crazy cash but this is the NFL so...
The real reason why ralph kept DJ
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This economic downturn is a bad one!! No one is exempt from it, including the rich. This downturn is gonna last a lot longer than what people think it's going to be. I guarantee you that the downturn we are in right now is altering the plans of any future projects that anyone is considering in investing in. This recession depression what ever you want to call it could be the best thing that happened in regards to the Bills staying in Buffalo.