Magox
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2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
The best route runner? According to who?
We need an X guy and Ladd isn't that.
According to some people who give opinions. 🙃
And I don't believe in the old way of thinking that teams need to have a traditional x, y, z receivers.
The game evolves, it's about matchups and I like the idea of having interchangeable parts on the offense where guys can perform each of the functions, which Samuels, Shakir and in this case Ladd could do.
The bottom line for me is who is going to be able to perform at a high level in the pros and I believe Ladd is the better answer. With that said, if the Bills select Legette, I will be happy with that pick as well. I love his speed, power and explosive playmaking ability. I just am a bit more unsure of him having a good NFL career, I think his boom bust potential is higher than Ladd's, with that said, he could end up becoming a more explosive Eric Moulds sort of guy. I'd be happy with either.
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14 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
We've got Curtis Samuel and Shakir already working the slot.
What is this infatuation with McConkey?
Because he's not just a slot guy, he's also a boundary wide receiver and he is the best route runner in this draft.
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I would be thrilled with McConkey and happy with Legette.
McConkey has probably the best combination of footwork, route running and separation skills in the draft. His knock is that he could have a tough time against physical, effective man covers but then again, who doesn't struggle against those kind of guys? Diggs never was able to do much against them in the playoffs.
Where the Bills could use help is when teams do those 0 and 1 blitzes and typically the DB's are slightly off the line of scrimmage and that is where Ladd is deadly. He can make a quick move acting like he's going for a quick hit 7 - 10 yarder and then BANG, he fools the DB and beats him deep on a double type move. I think if you have a good QB and a well-designed offense the guy will get tons of targets.
Legette is a lot more raw but his physical skill set is mouth watering. He probably has the best combination of size, raw power, explosion and speed. He could be used as a Deebo Samuel type and I think at a minimum he is that of a Curtis Samuel comp. Could be used running the ball, special teams, bubble screens and deep outs early on in his career and you just hope that he could develop his route running.
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I’d rather get our guys from the draft but if we were to trade give me Aiyuk.
phenomenal route runner, fast/explosive and entering his prime.
But a new contract with him would be $25m+ a year deal and he would cost a 1st rounder at a minimum
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I really don't know what Beane is going to do, other than he is going to address the receiver position in a meaningful way.
I would rather not trade lots of draft capital to get one of the consensus top 3 elite guys, but I wouldn't be upset nor surprised if Beane were to do it.
Preferably, I would rather get a guy like Ladd McConkey or Javon Baker to be your high target, great route running receiver who can separate along with someone who can get deep such as Franklin, Thomas, Worthy or Mitchell. There is enough draft capital to not have to give up the farm to get two of those guys.
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For those saying the compensation for Diggs was terrible:
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1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:
Never gonna win it all.....
You should change your moniker to
IamFOLDINGwithALLEN
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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I am sure I didn’t go “nuts” about the trade itself but I am sure I was angry about the lack of investment in the position. Same as now. They’ve known who this guy is for several years and they should’ve been loading up on young talent to replace him instead of chasing to fill the gap when we’re weeks away from rookies reporting.Drafting a position in need is not a new phenomena. In fact, most teams actively do it. Very few teams have the luxury to draft BPA. We mortgaged our future with some moves such as Vonn and restructuring Diggs among others and swung for the fences and missed.
Diggs is declining, at least he declined the last 13 games he played, he is turning 31. He was a virtual non factor when the Bills went hot and in the playoffs and if it weren't for a key play or two (which Diggs had a terrible drop in the last drive against the Chiefs) they could have very well have gone on to win that game.
There is a solid nucleus of young ascending talent on the team.
I'm anxious to see what new weapon or weapons the Bills add to the arsenal this year and what they do with the $27M cap savings that they'll see in 2025.
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19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Again, though, for those of you saying "Beane has a plan" - if he had a "plan" why didn't it involve targeting more WRs in LAST YEAR'S draft than Justin Shorter? Now they're scrambling to fill a hole that should've been addressed already.
No offense CT, but you and over half the board went nuts when Beane traded away Watkins and it ended up being a tremendous move.
Diggs did play at an underwhelming level through the last half of the season and has not played at a high level through the playoffs throughout his career.
No doubt that replacing Diggs regular season production will be tough, but the Bills did play their best football when Diggs went virtually absent. He is turning 31, he is not on the upswing, he is on the decline.
Will he play at a pro bowl caliber level this next year? I wouldn't bank against that possibility, he will be highly motivated and Stroud will want to get him the ball, but I think it's evident that he didn't want to be a Bill any longer.
The Bills have a very good TE in Kincaid who from my perspective will be a pro bowl level TE who could very well see 100 receptions this year. Shakir has shown lots of great signs of being a quality receiver, Curtis Samuel is a nice player plus Cook is a weapon from the backfield. So there is a solid young nucleus of weapons who are all on the upswing.
I have no doubt that the Bills will obtain another high quality prospect and possibly two more to round out the receiving room.
This Diggs move will free up $27 Million in cap space in 2025, which means that Beane will have money to go after another high end FA next year.
Look at the weapons Brady had in some of his super bowl years, Gronk and Welker and a bunch of system JAGS and Brady was able to distribute the ball around for years. Look at Mahomes the past two years, Kelce and JuJu were his best weapons the year before and last year it was Kelce and a rookie in Rasheed.
The point is that Elite QB's make receivers look good and the nucleus of weapons that are already on the team and the draft ahead of the Bills should be able to put up more offensive weapons than Mahomes has had the past two years.
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33 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
LOL, now the primary reason why we haven't done better in the playoffs is Diggs' fault.
LMAO
I must've missed the explanation of why they lied to us for the past year.
That's not what he said, what he said was that Diggs doesn't show up for the playoffs but does for the regular season.
That's a fact.
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His act is definitely wearing thin, it’s one thing when you produce and it’s another when you don’t.
With that said, I don’t see any logical scenario where he isn’t with the Bills this upcoming season but a better than 50/50 chance he’s gone in 2025, unless he produces and the Bills win a championship
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I like DeJean a lot and it is in a position of major need, but I am very hesitant in drafting a safety with a 1st round pick. If I were the decision maker I'd have to be enamored with him and believe that he would be an actual playmaking difference maker.
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AB is a world class troll. 😂
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12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Still not good. It would basically make our WR corps the same as last year plus Curtis Samuel. And I don't think that is enough.
I was somewhat in the same boat as you with Coleman, but I can't lie that drill where they were running through the gauntlet catching those passes, the way he was easily plucking those balls out of the air at full speed, in fact his time speed running through that gauntlet was faster than anyone else. Then I saw some MPH instances that he had throughout the collegiate season and it was up there among the fastest times.
I think his playing speed is much faster than his timed speed and I believe he is a natural catcher of the ball. I wouldn't want him to be my 1st round pick, but I have warmed up to him to consider him to be our 2nd round pick. I have him now as WR #7 in this years draft.
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I have been on the WR bandwagon for 1st round pick for a couple years now. The top 20 WR's in this years draft is probably higher quality than at any time that I can remember. You could probably find a good WR in the first 3 rounds. It got me thinking, what player if they became available anywhere in the vicinity of the 28th pick that is not a WR that you could not pass up on?
For me, it would be LAIATU LATU. Edge rusher is a position of need, they are a premium pick position and Latu fits the bill. He for me would be very difficult to pass up if he were available somewhere around the 22 pick up. He's a stud, great technician, has all the moves, great pro typical size with a history of fantastic production at a big university. I think the dude will end up being a 10+ a year guy right off the bat.
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I believe so.
Doesn't necessarily mean that Diggs is a goner in 2025, if he shows he still has juice and is productive then it doesn't make sense to get move on from him in 2025.
But that is a big if. And I'd rather draft someone who we believe can potentially be the #1 WR this year so that if Diggs is not with us in 2025 that this player would already have a year under his belt to potentially move into the #1 spot rather than relying on drafting a premium pick to become that guy as a rookie.
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20 minutes ago, Special K said:
McCorkle??? You're just kidding right??
The Bills will be drafting a big-bodied X receiver like Thomas Jr., Adonai Mitchell, Keon Coleman or Xavier Legette
This signing probably eliminates guys like Worthy, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin, and McConkey
I'm not kidding and aside from Thomas Jr., McConkey will go on to have better careers than the other three guys.
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I believe we are going to have a WR room that is going to be playing all over the field, interchangeable parts. I think you will see Samuel, Diggs, Shakir and Kincaid all operating a decent bit out of the slot and outside. I believe its going to be a very possession like passing with rushing attack mixed in with deep down the field passes.
Samuel has a lot of physical talents and he's somewhat versatile. He hasn't had good QB's throwing him the ball and the ones who have thrown it to him were his QB's for less than a year on average, so no chemistry was ever able to get established with the QB.
This gives the Bills some flexibility with who they can draft at the WR. They won't be pigeon holed to chase after a burner, they could be free to draft the best WR available and to me that sounds more appealing.
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Good, now let’s draft McConkey and we are set on offense.
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Just now, SydneyBillsFan said:
Does this count towards the corrupt comp pick scheme?
To my understanding is that it starts at $3.5M This appears to be $7M over two years, however there are incentives which I don't believe qualifies as counted income. I could be wrong.
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I thought he was excellent as a #2 RB. Ideally, I do believe we would like to have more of a short yardage sort of back added to the roster, I'm guessing we will look to add one to the team before the season begins.
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There is very little doubt that when DaQuan is healthy this defense plays at a higher level. I'm good with the signing, just draft another early pick IDL and maybe pick up some depth and we are good to go at the position for the year.
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This move puzzles me a bit. The cap savings this year is minimal, however in 2025 I believe the cap savings is over $5m.
Bates I thought all along was going to be given pole position on being Morse’s replacement and provided valuable depth. I’m not sure a 5th rounder and some cap savings is enough of a trade off.
Beane and McD must really like who we have on the roster that can replace what Bates was providing.
the perils of not moving up - a cautionary tale
in The Stadium Wall
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It goes both ways, trading up for Sammy Watkins set back this franchise when we swung and missed on that pick.