Magox
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Exactly, Promo - and no matter what amount we offer, he'll piss and moan two years into the new deal and hold out again for more $$$$ while his level of play continues to decline.
Like I said in December, we've seen Peters play his last game in a Bills uniform. Best thing we could do now is trade him for some players & a bunch of draft picks, and laugh as we watch Peters' game slide downhill with a different team.
Ok, but it's fair to pay Kelsay $5 Million a year. It's fair to pay Schobel $9 Million a year. It's fair to pay.....
be realistic
He should be the highest paid lineman on the team.
It's just about paying him the correct value.
Is $4Million a year a fair contract for Peters?
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Prove to me that after the Bills cave once he wouldn't hold out every year another lineman got a bigger contract.
PTR
I can't prove it to you.
Just like the Dolphins can't prove that paying Jake Long $11 Million dollars a year is a good value, or that paying Dorsey $10 Million is or etc. etc. etc.
It's a risk
But I believe it's a risk worth taking. I don't have confidence that we can replace him with a good alternative. I don't have confidence that we can draft a comparable alternative. I am only going by our history.
Do you have confidence that we can?
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This is obviously a very touchy subject here.
There are strong arguments on both sides.
Me personally, I'm sick of looking for a good LT. I remember how difficult it was to find a good player to man that position. I remember time in and time out, how disgusted I was with our blocking, and how desperate I felt in wanting to find that much coveted LT.
Now he is here. We know he has the talent. Right in our laps. Can we really afford to lose that player again. Wouldn't it really suck if we traded him for a draft pick, our draft pick becomes a bust or mediocre and Peters goes on to have multiple ProBowl All Pro seasons?
I remember how bad our line was. Now we have him.
Of course there is the flip side. That we pay him and he becomes lethargic and never plays the way he did like in the 2006, 2007 seasons.
I believe it is worth the risk to pay him. Odds are, and heavy odds at that, that we won't be able to find someone of his calibur. Then we will be right back where we were before.
Desperate...
looking for that LT
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Maybe trading back into the late 1st round late 2nd round. We have done it before with McCargo and Poz, with mixed results. Guyz like Ayers, Maybin (if he falls far enough) or English could be someone to target. I would add Johnson to the mix, but I don't like him.
If not, second round guyz could be a Dennis Barwin, Shaugnessy or Sidbury. Personally I Like Sidbury, Barwin and Shaugnessy in that order for the second round pick.
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So the Bills should have paid Peters 10 million per year for the next five years, when they already had him under contract for 3 million for the next three years? Yeah Sully.....fuggin douche.
Normally you make good posts of what I have read. But this one wasn't one of your better one's.
Here's why.
It's not realistic, in a nutshell.
You can not expect for Peters to play out the remaining contract, when he had 3 years left on it last year, being the 5th highest paid lineman on the team, when he was arguably the best.
You realistically can not expect him to play through his contract without demanding a higher contract, considering he would of had to play out 3 more years.
Sully is right about one thing. We should of offered him this contract last year.
But i do agree with you
Sully is a douche
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You aren't missing anything. Even the Bills acknowledge that the man deserves a richer contract. The key thing to me is that both sides are talking and the front office is doing its part by putting its best foot forward and proceeding with an extension. In exchange, Peters should at the very least be willing to show up for OTAs and training camp this year.
I hope that the Bills don't even consider looking for a trade. Now of course, if a trade offer, that is too good to be true, is offered, then take it. But don't look to trade him.
The Bills FO has leverage on this deal. Offer him $10 Million with incentives that could make him the highest paid lineman. If he doesn't take it, then it will be his and our loss. We will get a player that may hold out and most likely not play as well as we would hope.
But most likely he will take the deal. Think about it.
We have the leverage. He can either take the deal, and instead of making $4Million a year he will make at least %150 more, or not take the deal and make the $4million.
He would be screwing himself by at least $13 Million over the next two years.
The Bills have the leverage!
As long as we don't actively shop him.
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Actually Long and Peters are just as accomplished: both only have had 1 good season.
Wrong!!!!
He had a very good year as a RT the year before
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I bet that this is just a smokescreen. I can't imagine that the Bills aren't going to address their DLine with their first pick at #11 unless they are considering to trade down.
Maybe.
But I really hope we get him.
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These are my top 5 and reasons behind. Rate yours.
#1. B.J. Raji - Raji would fit in anyone's defense. The guy is a game changer in the middle and along side of Stroud we would have one of the best interiors in the NFL.
#2. Brian Orakpo - Size, speed, strength, he has it all. He has a combination of moves that he uses to get to the QB effectively. I don't see him being any sort of a liability in the run game either. I think he could come in immediately supplanting Kelsay and would eventually take over Schobel's spot when he's cut or retires.
#3. Peria Jerry - Another disruptive force on the inside to team up with Stroud. Jerry has more quickness than Raji and is more of a penetrating DT. He blows up alot of plays in the backfield and gives teammates opportunities to make plays with his quick penetration through the line. He reminds me alot of Tommie Harris of the Chicago Bears.
#4. Michael Johnson - Athletic freak that can play the run, drop back in coverage, and get to the QB all at 6'7" and 270lbs. People say he only plays at one speed, was unproductive for his athletic ability, and whatever else they want, but I would take the guy on our DL over Kelsay, Denney, Ellis, or anyone else we have left to throw in there. I think he could end up being the best DE to come out of this draft, but it's up to how hard he'll work on the pro level. He could be the next Jason Taylor or Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, they seem to have the most similar skillsets to me.
#5. Everett Brown - He would provide the pass rushing ability that we need, but not sure how he would hold up against the bigger stronger OT's in the NFL on rushing plays. He had 26 bench press reps at the combine, but how would it trnslate on the field? I'm not sure. He reminds me of a young Strahan with his style of play, but is that what we would get?
An honorable mention in all of this would be Brian Cushing. Cushing had a solid combine, a solid career at USC, and we need a OLB. It wouldn't be a terrible pick, but just not one of the guys I would want at that slot. Funny, all of the guys I listed are on defense.
I like all the players you mentioned except Johnson. The Johnson pick I would despise!! Oh god, I really hope he is no where near our radar. I watch lots of ACC football as I am a Chapel Hill fan, and I would make it a point to watch him closely, cuz of our obvious needs for a passrushing DE. I just don't see it. He takes plays off, he looks lethargic, I just don't see anything about him other than his workout numbers. So I'd scratch him off.
1) Raji (Beast, love the idea of having him for the next 5 years, specially teamed up with Stroud. Would make it very tough to run against us, and would help in the pass rush, help collapsing pockets)
2) Everett Brown (Once again, ACC football, most polished DE I've seen this year. Has speed, swim, spin moves, big engine and great production)
3) Pettigrew (Most NFL ready player in the draft in my view. Devastating Blocker, good quickness, very soft hands and huge target. Immediate upgrade. The TE that we have lacked for the last 10 years)
4) Orakpo (Good size, good athleticism, Tenacious, Ok pass rushing moves, good engine. I think he will be good not great as a passrusher, and also good but not great against the run)
5) Mack ( I know people believe he is a reach, but I don't care. I think he will be a future probowl Center over the course of his career. He was the only player that came close to handling Raji's bull rush during the senior bowl, the most polished and well techniqued center in the draft. I think he would be another safe and productive pick)
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Just f-cking pay him and let's focus on the players that actually need to be replaced!
Most of you act like it's coming out of your pocket and not Ralph's. Why do you think we signed T.O.? The time to win is NOW. Ralph is 90 years old and i'm sure wants to win before he passes. Dick Mauron has to win this year or he's toast...getting rid of Peters now makes zero sense. Those of you who say he's not motivated...how the hell would you know? I'll leave that up to the Bills' to determine, because they are the only people with inside knowledge on the subject.
I guess i'm in the minority in saying sign him.
who gives a flying flip if we are in the minority. usually moving in the opposite direction of the herd is the best idea.
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The Bottom line is his talent warrants him to be $10Million + a season.
His "talent" is that he is large.
What a short memory you guyz have
I remember him giving up sacks because he was out of shape and skipped camp
What world do you guyz live in?????
I live in a world where it's spelled: guys
I
yup
you do have short memory...
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That is the worst trade idea I have ever heard of. Your going to be happy with dropping down 10 spaces in the draft, give up your 2 time probowl left tackle & all you get out of it is the basicaly the 28th pick in the draft. I am glad your not our GM.
& the poster that said limit the guaranteed money really has no idea how NFL contracts work. I am sure Parker & Peters are well aware that the non guaranteed money on a NFL contract is not worth the paper it is written on. It is all about the guaranteed money. 6 yrs, 64 mill with a signing bonus of 15-18 mill & guaranteed money of 30 mill seems. Alot of money, sure. But that is the price of keeping your franchise tackle happy nowadays.
I was thinking the same thing.
What an absurd trade.
Some people have no clue
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No more controversy regarding #81 jersy
case closed
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Man!!
What a bunch of unreasonable, sour, bitter Babies!!!!!!
The Bottom line is his talent warrants him to be $10Million + a season.
If we don't pay him, someone else will.
And guess what? he will be at least a 5 time future probowler and a 2 time ALL Pro Tackle.
and I can just see it. We will be stuck with a mediocre LT for the next 5 years, constantly having our qb blind side sacked, searching for that precious LT that we were bitching about for close to a decade before Peters came.
What a short memory you guyz have
Get a friggin clue, some of your arguments are, he "should get a job elsewhere, work a real job, and complaining about the economy"
PALEEEEEESE!!!
Stop it!!
What world do you guyz live in?????
This is the NFL, and he is top talent, and most teams will value his talent.
I hope that the Bills don't even consider looking for a trade. Now of course, if a trade offer, that is too good to be true, is offered, then take it. But don't look to trade him.
The Bills FO has leverage on this deal. Offer him $10 Million with incentives that could make him the highest paid lineman. If he doesn't take it, then it will be his and our loss. We will get a player that MAY hold out and most likely not play as well as we would hope.
But most likely he will take the deal. Think about it.
We have the leverage. He can either take the deal, and instead of making $4Million a year he will make at least %150 more, or not take the deal and make the $4million.
He would be screwing himself by at least $13 Million over the next two years.
WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE!!
As long as we don't actively shop him.
The deal will get done!!
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the three of them should all go and get a couple of hookers together.that will bring them together real fast.
Ya, well they better do it outside of Buffalo
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I think they've hedged their bets that those players like June and Keiaho will receive little further interest (being T2 LB's) and the front office can get them for less by making them wait. Frankly, they're gambling on so much this offseason. The LB and LG positions are wide open, with no one starting quality on the roster. If they think they'll get some bargain or start a mid round player, it's not the solution.
With needs at DE, TE, interior OL, OLB, and LB depth, that's a lot heading into the wilderness of FA and the draft.
excellent point!
The LB's you named most likely are not receiving too much love in FA, and every day that passes, the lower their value becomes. As far as interior lineman are concerned, I'm hoping that they are working on a deal with KC regarding Waters.
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Whats even crazier is that the Bills are offering $8.5 Million a year. That is ridiculous!!
Some people on this board were thinking that he was demanding $13.5 Million a year.
$11.5 Million a year is a reasonable asking price from Peters. That makes his offer slightly higher than Jake Long's, who is not as accomplished.
I would imagine if they offered a deal of around $10 Million a year and add incentives to where he could receive another $1 Million they could hammer out a deal.
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God Knows that they (they being Trent, T.O and Lee Evans) will need lots of time to get that cohesion going.
I'm glad he's in town and ready to go.
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I kind of feel bad for Hardy on this one. A high draft pick coming off a disappointing rookie season with a major knee injury to boot and the media is creating this controversy. Doesn't help that they didn't, you know, ask him for his stance on the matter. Seems in the one interview I saw that he didn't really give a crap about the number. I mean, this guy has been playing football his whole life and has only worn #81 all year. Now people around the country are learning his name from the wrong reasons. It's a joke.
Hardy seems like a young kid, that is eager and willing to learn. I don't believe that he has any problems in giving up his number for a future Hall of Famer in T.O.
T.O is the best thing that could of happend to Hardy at this stage of his career. He will get to watch and observe from another Big receiver, and learn how to use his hands off the line of scrimmage, move into space and etc.
This will be a good thing for Hardy's development
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Wow, so this is what the media is like. For us Bills fan, we knew TO was getting his numbers days ago. It was no big deal, the Bills gave it to him without asking, and it was done. Maybe Hardy would get some money for the change, but once again, no big deal.
You check any media outlet today, and people are already saying how the TO Days have begun in Buffalo. How he was quoted as saying "81 is mine." Well yeah, that's what happens when we give him the number...it becomes his.
Also, while I love PTI, they came off like dullards today. They made it seem like TO was making all kinds of demands and they can't believe the drama has already started and now the Bills will have to deal with Hardy. They even said the Bills could cut him. Cut our second year WR?!?! These guys really had no idea what they were talking about and making a story just off a single half-quote.
If this is the level of research the Media is going to perform and this is the way they are going to respond to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, then you have to wonder how many times this has happened before.
ya, it was pretty silly, i saw that too
goes to show you that they really don't know shid
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Good for Hardy
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Kiper sucks
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From most likely to least likely
1. Schobel
2. Draft
3. Ellis (even though I have no idea what he brings to the table other than hope)
4. Kelsay/Denny
5. FA
not looking to good at this point
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If I knew that there was no way that Peters would sign the contract we are offering and that he would hold out, then I'd accept their 2 1st round picks.
I would pick
#11 Pettigrew
#21 English
#28 Ebbon Britton
#42 Duke Robinson
TBN: Bills / Peters ~$3 M apart - Peters wants over $11.5 M
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I understand the argument on the other side.
I really do.
I just can't stand the thought of losing an All Pro Talent, when he is right here in our laps.
Don't we remember who our LT's before him were?
Just because we may get a draft pick for him doesn't insure we get a good lineman. We've been through it many times before.
It's worth the risk considering we know he has the ability. Let's not forget also, that in the three years he has played tackle, he played at a very high calibur in two of those years (2006, 2007).
It was ONLY last year, the year he sat out the entire mini camp and training camps (which no one who is thinking rationally can deny that played a role in his subpar year) where he didn't play that well by his standards.
So just speaking strictly facts here.
2 out of 3 years he played at top notch level
the only 1 year he didn't was the holdout year.
I think I would take my chances in signing him. He to me in my view, is worth the risk