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I think he is a good guy. So if he did it, I will let it pass without criticizing him. Hopefully he doesn't get suspended, and if he does for a few games at least we got Freddy.
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Dont forget a QB that is scared, inexperience, and injury prone.
but we're cutting JP
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if the Bills took Raji at 11, do you think they could use Spencer Johnson at DE?
I still think they would use him at DT on a rotational basis. But to answer your question yes, either on certain running situations or if they are looking to blitz the linebacker from the outside and his function is to help collapse the pocket.
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The Lions had many very close games that they lost in the end. As far as Trent goes best case he continues to develop & becomes VERY GOOD, then his contract is up. The ONLY way he stays in Buffalo is if the Bills pay him top dollar. He would much rather go somewhere else closer to home.
we get it! You don't like Trent.
Look at the bright side, you get at least another 2 more years to dislike him
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We are not going to pay 3 guys on the OL top money (Peters, Dockery, Brown) and to an extent Walker. I just don't see that happening. Even a Dallas or Washington will not do that.
I love all those three choices..However, the Bills will have to still invest on TE, and LB in the draft.
I don't see why they would trade McGee. I think McGee is better than Greer (1 on 1) and I would rather extend McGee now and not re-sign Greer. Of ccourse if we want to keep Greer, McKelvin and McGee, then we can re-sign him. However, I see the Bills go to another CB in the 4th or 5th round. They also have Reggie Corner who came on well at the end of the season.
You may be right about Jason Brown, he might be too costly, but it seems to me that we struggled mightily against the Big NoseTackles of the AFC East and it was obvious that having a strong center like Brown would do worlds of good.
As far as LB depth, we do have Digiorgio, Bowens and Buggs coming back, so I'm not too sure that we have to get more depth.
About Mcgee, I love the guy, I think he is one of our better defensive players. I also think that he has more value than Greer. What worries me is his payout. My gut feeling tells me that he will command over $7 Million a year. Since Mckelvin looks as if he will be as good or just about as good of a return man, he is expendable in that area. As far as his coverage skills, I think Greer is pretty damn close.
If we were to resign Greer and trade Mcgee we would get a good draft choice or player out of it. If we are looking to resing Mcgee then there is no doubt that we won't look to resign Greer this offseason and we get nothing in return.
So, not only do we save some $ by resigning Greer but we pick up a draft choice by trading Mcgee.
Just my thoughts
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I think that Bills would do far better focusing on the draft than on free agents, especially big name ones. This is especially true as a small market team. John Madden always says that free agents hurt the team that they leave more than they help the team they go to and I agree with him. They are usually expensive players and there's no way to know what the "fit" will be like with a new team. You are essentially paying for what they did at their previous team without knowing if they can do it for yours (different system, coaches, teammates, etc.).
there is some truth to that. Selecting Free Agents is a tricky process. I have always been a proponent of not signing someone based on reward but his potential. There is no doubt that the best teams build through the draft, but FA does have it's place. Look at the Patriots: Moss, Welker, Rodney Harrison, Seau, Mcginnest, Faulk etc. etc.
So if you do right, which is easier said than done, then it can be effective.
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Heath Evans, Leonard Weaver or Terrelle Smith. All are free agents and all are among the top fullbacks in the league.
1 Greg Jones 70
2 Le'Ron McClain 69
3 Heath Evans 68
4 Ovie Mughelli 67
5 Justin Griffith 66
6 Leonard Weaver 66
7 Terrelle Smith 63
I like signing a veteran rather than drafting a rookie because there are excellent free agents available this year and you get a known quantity as opposed to projecting one. Also, fullbacks generally come pretty cheap.
I like Weaver the best. He's an excellent blocker and has offensive skills that haven't been tapped yet (like LeRon McClain before last year). By signing Heath Evans, we'd also take away a cog in the Patriot's offense. Terrelle Smith is a killer blocker. Here's the scouting reports. They haven't been updated to reflect the 2008 season. All three had excellent seasons so their grades might be even higher than reflected:
Leonard Weaver #43 FB
2008 STATS
Birth Date September 23, 1982
Birth Place Cocoa, FL
Height 6-0
Weight 242 lbs.
Age 26
Position FB
Experience 4 years
College Carson-Newman
ProfileStatsSplitsGame LogNewsScouting InsiderPhotos
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 66 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Weaver is massive and athletic for his size. A converted tight end drafted out of tiny Carson-Newman, he has adjusted quickly to a new position and a much higher level of play in just two NFL seasons. (He sat out 2006 because of an ankle injury.) Weaver still is learning how to block out of the backfield, but he delivers a good blow on iso blocks and has the power and bulk to follow up and sustain. He shows above-average run skills in the red zone. He has natural receiving tools that reflect his background at tight end. He still needs a lot of work on blitz pickups, tracking stunts and making the quick decision to seal off the corner on sweeps. Weaver still is extremely raw, but he acquitted himself nicely when veteran FB Mack Strong retired last season. He shows enough promise and athleticism to project as a good NFL starter.
Heath Evans #44 FB
Birth Date December 30, 1978
Birth Place West Palm Beach, FL
Height 6-0
Weight 250 lbs.
Age 30
Position FB
Experience 8 years
College Auburn
ProfileStatsSplitsGame LogNewsScouting InsiderPhotos
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 68 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Evans is an eight-year veteran who is a good combination of size, strength and athleticism. He is a hard-nosed player who will square up on linebackers on isolation blocks or cutting defenders on perimeter schemes. He has good foot agility, balance and quickness to searchlight moving targets in space. He is used primarily as a run-blocker, but has decent foot agility, quickness and balance with the ball in his hands. He isn't a quick-footed runner to make effective inline cuts, but has power to move the pile on contact. He is limited as a receiver out of the backfield with just average hand dexterity. He doesn't adjust or pluck the ball away from his body well nor show much run after the catch ability in the open field.
Terrelle Smith #45 FB
Birth Date March 12, 1978
Birth Place West Covina, CA
Height 6-0
Weight 250 lbs.
Age 30
Pronounced Tuh-RELL
Position FB
Experience 9 years
College Arizona State
ProfileStatsSplitsGame LogNewsScouting InsiderPhotos
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 63 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Smith is a blocking fullback who knows his role is to block, as opposed to carrying the ball and is willing to do whatever it takes to help the team. He is a powerful blocker who hits with authority and punch. He excels in the lead kick-out block off tackle. He tends to struggle when he has to adjust and change directions on the move to make a block, but can blow up most linebackers when he is able to get a good bead on them. He does a good job of picking up the blitz in pass pro, will stick his nose into the block and hit squarely. He has struggled to stay healthy but, he brings an attitude to his game. He is the kind of blocking fullback hard-nosed running teams like.
I like Weaver the best. He is a strong blocker and has skills a la LeRon McClain. The Seahawks drafted Owen Schmitt so they might not make an attempt to sign Weaver.
I wonder why Seattle drafted a FB if they had a decent prospect in Weaver.
I liked the way Heath played last year, I wouldnt mind having him on our team
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Agreed. Brown is exactly the kind of FA the Bills should be targeting, rather than high priced 'name' players. Hard to see the Ravens letting him go, 'tho. Still, word is the 'Fins want to take a run at him...
Absolutely!! Overpay by a tad bit if you got to get him. I'm sure that Parcells will be looking to scoop him since they cut their center, citing lack of physicality.
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Free Agency
Center Jason Brown
Tight End Bo Scaife
LB Crowell
Back up QB Kitna I think is a perfect choice - lots of experience, would help in development of Trent Edwards, hopefully not too costly and could definitely fill in as a starter if need be
Draft
DT Raji if available
Safety Draft
DE Everett Brown if Raji is not available or second round Ayers
Cut McCargo, Royal, Restructure Kelsay's contract for something significantly less or Cut him as well
Trade bait if possible Mcgee ( might as well get something in return if we are not looking to resign him after this next year), Parrish
Resign Greer if not too expensive $5 Million a year, Resign Preston ( very unpopular on this board, but I think he provides good depth, at center and guard), Fred Jackson 3-4 year deal at about $2.5 Million a year
Restructure Peters and lock him up for the next 6 years $8-$9Million a year
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How about Bo Scaife. I think this is a logical FA target for this franchise. Depending on how FA plays out-most assume DE in rd 1. Would Scaife or a Coffman/Casey option work better?
I love the idea of Scaife! He is proven, he is young, he has improved markedly in each of his four years and I don't think he would cost more than $3.5 Million a year and we wouldn't have to use a draft choice on a rookie Tight End.
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on defense the player I believe that would make the soonest positive impact would be Curry, but I believe that with time Raji would givest the most bang for our buck, not to say that he wouldn't have an impact soon as well.
on offense, I think that Pettigrew and Mack would givest the soonest positive impact. Hakeem Nicks I think will end up being the steal of the draft, but since he is a WR the other two that I mentioned will give us a quicker return on our money.
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1- I started calling him TrINT after the Cleveland game that was basically lost in the 1st quarter even though Lindell eventually played the role of "goat" in the end.
2- Edwards passer rating is probably comparable to Kelly Holcomb's because of the style of their game. When half of your passes are to guys 5 yards down the field or less you will have a higher completion rate, therefore upping your QB rating. In 6 out of the 14 games he played his average per pass attempt was less than 7 yards with 4 of those games having an aveage of less than 6. He had 3 games where he passed for more than 250 yards and 2 of those were "bottom of the barrell" pass defenses in the NFL. KC(28), San Diego(31), and Oakland(10). He had ONE game with 2 TD passes and 11 total in 14 games. The one? Against KC(28th in pass defense).
3- I do feel I've been a little frustrated with TrINT back there at QB at times which has caused me to be judgemental and harsh in my posts. What helps to fuel that is people talking about him like he's the next "Tom Brady". It's sort of aggrevating to a certain extent because he hasn't shown me more than Holcomb IMO. I just can't see him as the kind of leader that we need in the huddle slinging the ball around out there YET. With time, hopefully, comes improvement and a change in my perception. But actually, what is my perception worth anyway? Did he progress from the year before in his passing? Yes, but he also turned the ball over more(7 more times in 4 more games, namely 5 fumbles lost).
4- Some people aren't really a fan of "Edge NFL Matchup", but I like Jaworski. I watched him break down TrINT a couple of times this past season and he always telestrated the same thing that I repeat about him not throwing the ball into open spaces where his WR are getting to. Jaws even broke it down in the MNF game against the Browns as well. I have no reason to fabricate this kind of stuff. You can check into it more if you would like.
5- After the Wilson hit, he was scared in the pocket. Watch his feet. Before the Arizona game he was setting up and standing in there more. After that hit, he seemed more nervous. He moved around more and seemed to be more worried about where the blitz was coming from instead of reading and reacting. Because of the moving around and decision making you'll notice that after the Arizona game his passer rating topped 79 only 3 times. KC(28th in pass deffense) with a 121 rating, which is awesome by the way
, San Diego(31st) with a 114 rating, and Denver(26th) with a 104.3. He did only lose one more fumble and threw 0 INT's after the Cleveland game though so if it makes you feel better, I'll call him Trent again 
6- Not saying he CAN'T throw the ball 15-20 yards downfield, saying he doesn't choose to very often. We ALL know how many times he takes the easy/safe way out and dumps the ball off. You will be lying to say he doesn't. Many times he throws the deeper routes? The average he has is about 1 out of every 5 passes attempted is for 15+ yards. Big Ben, 1 out of every 3. Kurt Warner, every other pass is attempted for 15+ yards. McNabb, 1 out of every 3 attempts. Cutler, 1 out of every 3 attempts. Trent did have 35 completions for 20+ yards, but there's no way to find out if it was due to YAC. Like I said, not saying he CAN'T throw it 15-20 yards downfield. I'm saying he mostly chooses not to.
7- Yes it would
I agree we need a GOOD all-around Tight End on this team. One who's especially effective in the passing game. I'd like to see Casey or Coffman donning a Bills uni next season. Not to say they're the only guys I would want in here, but those are my wishes if we get one via the draft and not FA or trade. I'd really like to have us nab Owen Daniels, but they'll want too much for him. If we're thinking of spending our 1st on a TE like Pettigrew though, I'd rather trade that 1st for Daniels if Houston would do the deal. 8- Agreed. I stated my reasons for that earlier. I really am optimistic about our team and it's future, don't get me wrong here on that please
I get hammered for that optimism at times 
I hope that Trent will be our "franchise" QB, I REALLY DO. I just remember getting my hopes up time and time again only to have them dashed by QB's who fell apart or just didn't cut it since Kelly. The position has been a problem here for about 13 years now. My worry with Trent is how I watched his play change, stated earlier, after the AW hit. I hope this doesn't carry over for his whole career. Hopefully we get guys up front that he is TOTALLY confident in(which I believe to be part of the problem) as far as protecting him and then we'll see what the guy REALLY can do. You're alright with me Magox. Don't want you to think I'm trying to make this personal or anything.
That was a well thought out and written post. I saw that show with Jaworski where he broke down Trent after the cleveland game. But, there has been other times where Jaworski has sung the praises of Trent. We all have to remember, that this was his first full year starting, we don't have the most talented bunch of players, the blocking at times has been less than desirable, HC hasn't really put us in a position to win as often as we'd like and that we had a first year OC that is unproven and the Billls as a team is adjusting to his system.
As a young quarterback that is going into his second full season, me as a fan, I feel good about going into this season, the one thing that worries me most is his durability.
I don't agree with everything you wrote, but fair enough.
Having said that, I believe that we need to run the ball a little more and establish our identity, have better #2 WR play then what we've had, get a good quality TE and a more stout Center that can handle the AFC East NT bull rushers.
I don't think we are that far away, if we can address a couple of these area's in the offseason
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My thoughts exactly. We all know that we need an upgrade at the TE position. Royal doesn't cut it really at any phase of the game. TrINT needs to learn to trust his reads and get the ball out downfield to the WR's. If he can't read the defense to know where the open man is going to be get him out of there. He's playing scared back in the poscket. We might be better off drafting Percy Harvin for the simple fact that he douled as a RB and a WR. Then atleast we could say that TrINT is somewhat getting the ball to a WR, even if he ligns up in the backfield. If our afeminado QB doesn't learn to get the ball to a WR 15-20 yards down the field what makes you think he will get it out to the TE 10-15 yars down the field? We keep circling around back to the same principle, find the opening in the defense where your man is going to be and throw the ball to that spot. Trust your guys on the field with you or go frolic in a valley somewhere.
h20, your way too negative on Trent, and why do you call him TrINT all the time? I mean, I understand that by inserting the INT you are implying interception, but he hasnt thrown a lot of interceptions in his career. He has thrown less than 1 interception per game that he has played in which is better than what most quarterbacks do. If you want me to, I can provide stats on lots of good quarterbacks with a much worse history of doing that. Also did you know that his qb rating is higher than most qb's in their first 20 games of their careers? not just by a little bit, but by a pretty healthy margin, not to mention that he has a winning record on a losing team's record. I just don't understand all this criticism.
Before I ever came this message board, my brother and I always talked about the Bills and their weak points and etc. and never ever once was Trent mentioned as a possible weak point. I'm glad that the Bills Brass and most football announcers and experts feel the same way.
Plus I hear some peoople here like yourself say, that people are open all the time and he isn't able to find the open reciever. I watched every game as I'm sure you have, but there is no way to know that. Sure on some particular plays there is, but no where near as much as what you have claimed. You know as well as I do that we are not equipped to be able to know that. As a matter of fact, just about every announcer praises his ability to survey the field and progress for such a young quarterback. You say that he looks scared in the pocket? How in the world do you come to that conclusion? one of his strong points is the way he stand tall in the pocket. Some times when I read some of these negative posts on Trent, I wonder if people are watching the same game I am. You and a few others are the only one's who see it that way.
Going back to topic, the basis of your argument, without any disrespect, is off. That he is not able to throw it 15-20 yards. I mean come on!?!?! are you serious? You and I both know that he can throw that pass. We have seen it many times before, and if you say that you havn't seen it that much, then you have blocked it out of your memory. Cuz it has happened, Many times.
A Good quality TE would be a great addition to this team. There is no doubt that TE doesn't have a gun for an arm, but he has a better arm then what you give him credit for. The mid range passes is where he is at his best. So a good TE I believe would be a perfect fit for this team.
You have lots of good info and I respect some of the insight you bring up, but there is no doubt, that you are waaaay too negative on Trent. He is a young quarterback, who doesn't even have two full seasons behind him, and he has a very respectable qb rating, winning record on a losing team, that has shown poise and promise.
Any way, I know that my words are not going to change the way you feel, you have seemed to have all ready made up your mind.
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There is incredible talent there.
Problem is , he won't except #2 on any team.
At least Losman kept his mouth closed.
really? he seemed to to accept it very well with tennessee.
having said that, I don't want him.
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Am I delusional to think that we could make a strong push for Birk?
Having that kind of anchor on our O-Line would make Trent's life much easier and might make our WR problem seem less pressing...
No, your not delusional at all. We need a center and he may be available. He would definitely be an immediate upgrade at a very important position for us. But I have noticed that the Bills Brass, when they do target a FA, they usually don't pickup FA's that are near the end of their career. So my guess is that Birk or Saturday won't be targeted as much as Jason Brown. I personally would like to see us go after Jason Brown, He is young, Mean and handles the Bull rush very well. I think that's what we need, is a physical center to play in the AFC East division.
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I read the scouting reports to which you'd linked. They convinced me we should seriously consider taking Raji (DT) at #11 overall, if he's available. Then we should trade away our second and third round picks to get a pick somewhere in the 20s, which could then be used on Mack. If no one can block Raji--except, sort of, for Mack--it would make sense to have them both!
You point out that this team has a lot of holes, and that, by trading away a third round pick, we'd be filling one less hole. But I feel it's better to do a solid job of filling one hole (Mack) than a so-so job of filling two holes (the second and third round pick). That third round pick in particular may well turn out to be just another guy.
I like your thinking!! makes sense to me
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It's not gonna happen, he won't be courted by the Bills, too much $$
Someone will give him an opportunity to start and will give him a 1 or 2 year starting qb pay.
Minimum $4 Million a year.
He has shown enough in his short career, with a cannon arm, to merit a decent pay and a shot at starting with some team in need of a qb. Some team will sign him to either to be their hopeful franchise guy, or as a stop gap while they are looking for their guy or while they are grooming their future qb.
I could see a team like the Jets making a push for him, but not the Bills, In dismay to many of you, we won't dole out that sort of cash for a backup qb.
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None taken. I would really like you to be right, make no mistake about that. I probably harp on the receptions stat a bit more than necessary, but to me it's a tut of reality that needs to be considered.
I agree that Johnson was very effective in a great college conference (Andre Woodson was the MAN at Kentucky), and that I saw some things in the red zone vs. the Jets and Broncos that were encouraging, but I feel that too many folks are over-stating his value to the team at this point. To borrow a phrase from Dick, I don't find his "body of work" sufficient for that kind of conclusion. Whether that's resulting from lack of opportunity, that's a matter of opinion, and I'm not sure I could make a compelling argument against it. I just think it's too soon to say conclusively about the guy. My personal mindset on Johnson is that Buffalo should treat their WR situation as though both he and Hardy will be flops, and try to get a bona fide No. 2 target in the fold. That way, if/when Johnson does pan out, they're all the richer for it.
I think why people are overstating things about Johnson, is because we are holding out for hope that he turns out to be what everyone wants him to be, and the reason why many of us have this hope for Johnson is because he has shown flashes of productive competence. I personally would like for him to have an opportunity and I believe it's gonna happen, based on the success he had with the limited opportunites he had at the end of the season.
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It's ok JP, I'm sure you will catch on with another team.
no, Alpo is JP's stepmother's friends son
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It is also telling how some people like to disregard the Denver game. Horrible weather, on the road in an extremely hard place to win, but why don't we just totally remove this performance from the equation?
I'm gonna do it before someone beats me to it.
Denver has a bad defense
so it doesn't count
It's no use arguin this point.
Some people like him, some people don't.
We'll just have to wait until next year
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I bet Macklin is one of the top 3 fastest guys at the combine for real. I think he'll run a sub 4.35 almost certainly.
at least
dude is fast
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Not really. Canty could be at home eating Doritos on opening day next season if he wants to be stupid about what he thinks he's worth versus what he's actually worth.
I agree
The only problem is that good sports agents are suppose to do their jobs, which is make money for their clients and themselves. So when these average players in the league get Franchise money, it makes it more difficult for teams to negotiate contracts. I mean if Tommy Kelly is getting payed that sort of cash, then Real Franchise players agents would be stupid to try not to get lots more money for their clients. What I am saying is that it messes up the equilibrium of what is justified and not justified pay.
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How can Johnson hit a sophomore slump when he produced next to nothing as a rookie?
Will someone PLEASE tell me what I am missing with the Steve Johnson fascination?
No disrespect,
but what your missing is that he was very productive with Kentucky against SEC competion (which is the best defensive conference in all of college footbal), that he had his best games against the best teams in the conference (so another words, when it counted most he was productive), He got high marks for running good routes coming out of college, He was one of the most productive recievers in training camp this past year, he was one of the most productive recievers in preseason this past year, He was productive in practices and when given a shot ( the last two games) he was productive and scored two td's in two games.
So I know you keep bringing up this 11 receptions deal a lot, but you have to take into account, he was'nt given an opportunity until Hardy went down. When given an opportunity he did well.
So the whole point of this is that When Steve Johnson is on the field, whether it was in college, in practice, in camp, in preseason or in the last two games of the season, he produced.
So that's the fascination with Steve Johnson.
I'm sure he will be given a chance next year and you'll see, he will produce for us.
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/12/...be-wise-to-run/
If Crabtree is there at #11 we'd be flippin retards not to take him. Period. I know we have other needs, but this guy is going to be a monster in the NFL. He's like a Fitz clone.
I think he's overrated. No doubt that he had a great career and he had stats that make you want to salivate, but you have to take into consideration the college system he was in. They threw and threw and threw not to mention Mike Leach is a genius and put his players in a position to win and have great Stats, I mean look at Grahm Harrel's numbers.
I know your hell bent on getting a WR, and I agree that we need one, but we do have more pressing needs.
An end to the myth..."QB is not the problem"
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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very good example of Aikman. Based on Some people's view, they should of dumped Troy Aikman. That would of been a great decision
I got another one for you. Drew Brees in his first 27 games had a qb rating of under 70, he had a 10-17 record, and 27 touchdowns and 31 Int, he also averaged just over 6 yards per attempt with less than a %59 completion rate. I'm sure geniuses on this board would of wanted to get rid of him too.
Another Example Phil Simms
First 25 games he threw for 28 td's 33 ints. Less than a %50 completion rate. He had just over 6 yards per attempt average, sacked 75 times, QB rating of 63, with an 8-17 record.
Eli Manning stats, 64 qb rating in first 25 games, less than a %50 completion average, 6.1 yards per attempt average, 41 sacks allowed, 30td's 26 ints,
Steve Youngs stats in his first 20 games, 11td's 21 ints, %53 completion average, 60 qb rating, big time losing record, 68 sacks.
Let's take a look at Trent Edwards first 24 games, he has a winning record on a losing team (and I don't care what anyone says, there is no asterisks on what is considered a winning team or losing team, a win is a win and it counts the same),he has an 80 career qb rating, he has 18 td's and 18 int's, %62 completion average, only 35 sacks allowed in 24 games, a 6.7 yards per attempt average.
All I am saying is that the people on this message board that are criticizing him are criticizing Trent Heavily based on less than 24 games. There is no doubt that he has shown more promise than any of these other qb's did in their first 20 some odd games.
And let's not try to say that those teams weren't good teams and that's why they lost so many games or had poor stats. Helloooooo Look at us, we've got lots of holes to plug before we become a good team.
For a player that was thrust into the starting qb role in his rookie year on a very mediocre team, those stats are very respectable.
Also take into consideration, I didn't cherry pick stats.