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I love his size, athleticism, strength and production.
22 tackles for loss, 9.5 sacks and co conference player of the year.
You know at 6'5 288 bench pressing 225 almost 30 times, he is not going to get pushed around. Plus he runs the 40 in 4.76, with a tremendous 37 vertical, which shows lots of explosion, he has the athleticism to be spectacular. Put that together with his production. I'd have to say this is guy could be a gamer.
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Schobel had his two most productive years in 2005 and 2006. His sack totals were 26 in that span and his tackles were also up in those seasons. Pat Williams last season in Buffalo was 2004 and his presence really didn't have much to do with Schobel's production. You make the claim that he has been mediocre for 3-4 seasons now.
2005-2008
Schobel- 53 games 33 1/2 sacks 200 tackles
Peppers- 62 games 40 1/2 sacks 197 tackles
That is pretty nice company, for a mediocre, slow, white, and undersized DE. Of course Schobel's sacks were all garbage time and Pepper's sacks won games. Besides he has never gotten consistent pressure, he just has gotten lucky alot.
I am not trying to say Schobel is as good as Julius Peppers. I do however think it's sad that a mediocre franchise has fans that routinely bash one of it's only consistent players. I mean you called him useless and said he should be making 10 percent of what he's making now. IMO, some people need to take a step back for a minute and re-think alot of the things they so freely say on this board.
Good point!
People have awfully short memories, forgeting everything he has done. He has been one of the more consistant productive DE's in the league up until he was injured. Both in the tackle and sack department.
He is getting a little long in the tooth, but if he can come back healthy, I expect him to have a much better year. If he doesn't play well this year, then I think there is little doubt that we would need to seriously consider cutting him and free up that cap room.
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I've been hearing more about this guy, so I did a little research, specially after hearing he had a great pro day.
He's a DE 6 ' 5 288 lbs.. Great athleticism. Very fast and strong.
The 2008 WAC Co-Defensive Player of the Year -- with an eye-popping 22 tackles for loss -- Gilbert was characterized by some as a product of the Spartans' aggressive defense until, that is, he proved to be arguably the most dominant presence at the East-West Shrine Game. The question for scouts now isn't whether Gilbert can play, but at which position to utilize his unique combination of size and athletic ability. Gilbert signed with San Jose State as a 240-pound defensive end in 2004. He added over 40 pounds since and has the frame to add even more. ... The son of former New Orleans Saints' offensive tackle Daren Gilbert, Jarron has incredible athleticism for his size and could be just scratching the surface of his potential.
He also had 9.5 sacks his senior year
JARRON GILBERT RISING ON DRAFT BOARDS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 21, 2009, 1:53 p.m.
San Jose State defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert shined at his Pro Day with New York Jets coach Rex Ryan putting him through his paces during defensive line drills, according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.
Per the report, the 6-foot-5, 284-pounder registered a 4.76 in the 40-yard dash while running into a slight breeze. He also posted a 37-inch vertical leap and a 10-7 broad jump.
Gilbert had dropped four pounds from his NFL scouting combine weight.
With 26 NFL teams represented at the campus workout, Gilbert reportedly put on a show.
“By all accounts, it was a terrific performance and Gilbert is very much knocking on the door of round one,” Pauline writes.
Carolina Panthers coach John Fox was at the workout as well.
Gilbert’s father, Daren Gilbert, played offensive tackle for the New Orleans
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...9&genpos=DE
also a pretty cool video showing his athleticism
Sounds like a pretty good possible option for our second round pick
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IIRC, Rogers loved Jauron when they were both in Detroit.
It seems that the Parcells/Belechik lineage has a need to piss off the star players on whatever team they come to. Parcells dogged Phil Simms when he took over the Giants (a theme he continued everywhere he went, Jason Taylor the most recent), Belechik couldn't wait to cut bait with local legend Bernie Kosar when he came to Cleveland, Romeo jerked his QB's around in Cleveland, McDaniel caused friction with Cutler, and now Mangini is fugging with the Browns newest, high profile/pay free agent in Rogers. I hate to say it, but it is sort of seems to be a right of passage for the Parcells/Belechik protegees.
I heard Tony Dungy on the radio the other day, and they asked him how he felt about the Cutler thing in Denver. Dungy didn't really want to answer the question, but, in an odd sort of way, said, essentially, for him, having a good relationship with the star players on his teams was essential to his success. Dungy was sort of implying that McDaniel was flexing his coaching muscle in the wrong way, by alienatiing his best player. Mangini did the same thing in New York, and most of his players hated him... call it kissing ass, or whatever it is, but a coach doesn't have to be an !@#$ to win in the NFL. All of the guys in that Parcells/Belechik tree seem to get a certain amount of glee out flexing their power over their players. I realize it can be useful, and is necessary at times, but Mangini, and McDaniel, in particular, are messing with guys they haven't even coached yet.
That's a very interesting point.
There are two schools of though that I see in being a successful coach. There is the player's coach, then there is the dictator style regime.
Both styles has had success. So I do agree that you don't have to be a dictator to be successful, but if you come from that lineage, then that is the style you know. Not to say that you can't be flexible, but it is a family tree that has had much success. It's just that some coaches get their message across and identify the team's character much better than others, and that is in my view what separates the good ones' from the others.
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Thank you...I mean really huh Bizell...lmao...
And Magox, you are the only one on a crusade here...you are so obsessed with propping up Trent that you are on some kind of crusade to grossly exaggerate and discredit Cutler to make Trent look better...its actually pretty funny...
The funniest part about this whole thing is that all this stuff you do in this topic of conversation:
1. You ignore 2 SCORED TD's in Cutlers game against the Bills which brings his 3 game peroformance to 4 TD's, and 4 INT's, with almost 900 yards passing. You act as if he didnt lead those drives and those TD's dont count...lame
2. You want to down play Trents way worse 4 game stretch as if they were not that important (when they ended our playoff chances),
3. You want to play up the 3 games at the end of the Broncos as if they were all must win, when the only one that was a MUST win was the last one.
4. You want to call a nearly 900 yard 4 TD with only 4 INTs as "an epic failure" when it was clearly not espcially considering he was only in his second year as a starter.
5. You constantly ignore the fact that Cutler is the second highest rated passer in the 4th quarter the last 2 years, and had over a 94 QB rating in the 4th qtr last year with 11 TD's, and only 4 INT's. But of course you ignore it because it dispells you argument that he doesnt get it done when it counts.
6. You blatantly ignore the fact that he is one of highest rated passers when the game is tied or within 16 points, which again dispells the fact that he isnt any good when it counts.
7. He has several come back wins...in fact here is an article talking about that very thing this year...
Here is the summary:
Jay Cutler lead the Denver Broncos back from a 17-7 first half deficit, throwing a six-yard touchdown pass with 10:15 left in the game in a 24-17 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Broncos (8-5) maintained a three game lead in the AFC West, and can clinch with a win or a Chargers’ loss next week.
Cutler completed 32-of-40 passes for 286 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. The Bronco quarterback led the offense on a 12-play 98-yard drive to score the game-winning touchdown. Cutler has led the Broncos on three fourth-quarter comebacks in the last five weeks.
I mean, come on, no offense, but you are completely ridiculous in how you condem Cutler for things (most of which is unfounded, and I am starting to think you havent really watched him play outside the Bills game) but then you turn around and make excuses for Trent for the same things...
Amazing how you made this into a Trent Edwards thread again.
Obsessive
Keep the crusade going
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We can't trade Parrish. Why? Because I just had my old Bledsoe jerseys turned into Parrish ones.
I think that is the best reason I've heard yet
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Both of them aren't "bad" guys.
Marshawn has made questionable decisions with who he "hangs" with, but that hardly makes him a "bad" guy.
T.O is self centered and believes the world revolves around him, but that doesn't make him a "bad" guy either.
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Would you keep Jenkins over Parrish? If so, why? Who is the more productive player?
I hear what your saying, but that is a misguided argument.
Of course Parrish has more value to a team than Jenkins does, and of course Parrish has been more valuable.
But that is not the argument.
Would you agree that Lee Evans, T.O and Josh Reed have been more productive and a good chance that they are going to be the 1,2 and slot receiver?
Not to mention that you have Hardy and Johnson waiting in the wings.
So really where does that leave Parrish as a receiver?
He is the odd man out.
So basically he is getting payed more than $2 Million a year to be our punt return.
Mcgee can still return kick offs, right? I hope you dont have one of those silly views like some others that say he is too old to do that.
So McKelvin could be an option as a punt returner right? after all he did have 7 punt return TD's in college, that is what he was more known for, more so than his kick return.s
Even if you didn't have McKelvin returning punts, Freddy Jackson with a 16.7 yard average showed that he can do the job right?
So my question to you is, since he has little value as a Wide Receiver, specially with the signing of T.O, and a more than capable punt return options in Jackson and McKelvin, Is he worth more than $2 Million a year for us?
Also, wouldn't he be best served for us, now that we don't have a big need for him as traid bait?
It just seems logical to me.
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What would he gain by holding out? If history is any lesson, he would play like crap the next few years. He would then be a 30 year old Tackle who hasn't played well in 3+ years. No one will give him a big contract.
That's a very good point Fingon.
Then what would he have. He would have three straight hold outs, at a pay well below he was looking for, at the age of 30 with 3 mediocre years.
Excellent point!!
I absolutely believe we are holding all the cards here.
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What is with your insistance to manipulate stats to make your point...Cutler threw for over 350 yards and ran for 2 TD's agianst...despite telling you this several times in several threads, you continuously ignore it...
That equals 4 TD's and 4 INT's with nearly 900 yards in 3 games...
and that is light years better than trents 4 TD (includes one rushing) and 10 Turnover stretch over 4 games for less than 800 yards...
Alpha, your too much.
it is 2 td's and 4 int's (thrown)
there you go again, bringing in Trent.
I told you that you have this bizarre obsession to constantly bring him into the conversation. Give it a rest. This thread is about Cutler. Half the board like's him, half of them don't.
You are not going to convince me otherwise. This is my opinion. I don't see why you believe you have to try to change people's view.
Really man, this obsessive behavior you have is amazing. Once again, this thread is about Cutler.
I don't like him. I believe he is a loser. OK ? Is that all right with you that I have my own opinion?
Have you noticed, how just about every post you make is in response to argue with someone? Rarely do you just state your opinion or view, but in how you have to show how you are right and that the other person is wrong.
So give it a rest.
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Yeah, you're probably right. My sources don't know football. They just work for NFL teams and stuff.
What I tried to express in my chat was that I don't personally think Peters is worth a first-round pick when a team can use that pick to draft a franchise tackle because a few exist in this year's draft just like they did in last year's. I don't see why a team would take on a tackle who's coming off a shaky season when they can grab a younger player they can mold. Peters wants the type of money No. 1 overall pick Jake Long got, so why not just draft one yourself and pay him less? And, believe it or not, teams will look at where a player was drafted when considering trades. Even though Peters is a two-time Pro Bowler, he was an undrafted, converted tight end. Trade partners aren't going to bend over backwards to reward the Bills and take a headache off their hands at the same time.
But it takes only one team to really, really want a player. Maybe the Bills will get a first-round pick for Peters, but he isn't worth it. And that's an opinion based on talking to people who happen to make trades and hammer out contracts for a living.
Thank you for the response, and the intent behind my comment wasn't to try to downplay your knowledge, but as another poster mentioned, the area of disagreement would be in your gauge of what other interested teams would be willing to give up to get a player like Peters. I had said in an earlier response, that you were much more in tune with what was happening than any of us, I think we all pretty much know that. But, if there was a team with an interest, wouldn't they want to downplay it or keep it as much of a secret as possible? I would think it would be counterproductive to publicly show an interest for a good player, at the risk of getting into a bidding war with another team.
You do have a good argument about a team drafting a tackle as opposed to dealing with a possible headache. But, I think we've all seen that many GM's are willing to give the benefit of the doubt if they believe they can get a premier talented player. Also, as one of the posters mentioned earlier, when you draft a player, you don't know what your going to get, in Peters, even though it is not a lock, you know that he can play at a high level for the simple fact that he has done it before, and that has to weigh in the mind of a GM.
But, I hope you are right, I hope that other teams don't value him as high as you do, because if that is the case, then team's probably won't want to offer him the sort of money that he is looking for, which would make the Bills his best option.
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Why do you say that? Did he plant mics in the Bills offices?
I agree with part of your saying. I don't know how he would be able to gauge better than some of us what Peters trade value is.
But, he does have connections, a lot more than you or I have, and through those connections, he may have some sort of a temperature on what Peters value is. I doubt it, but it is possible.
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Just a question, But could the Bills possibly have some of the answers to the needs in house already?
Bell= Starting on Oline this year.
Ellis= DE.
Fine=T.E
Johnson= WR
McCargo= DT.
Now i know these guys are young but most of them have shown some flashes. This is not me saying they are the answer to every need. And i will say the Bills need to add players on Oline and the D front seven through the draft. I am just asking.
I think it is plausible to think some of these guys could turn out to be good.
Bell, well we hear some positive things about him.
Fine showed some promise last year.
Ellis, I have no clue
Johnson, I feel that he is going to end up being our starter opposite of Evans in the future.
McCargo, showed flashes of a good player in 2007, more than anything, I think he just needs to be motivated
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Mcgee won't be returning kicks much longer, he is getting too old to do it, and thats one reason why McKelvin was brought in.
McKelvin won't be returning Kicks, Punts, and play CB
What has Fred Jackson done as a return man that would make you think that the Bills should make him a full time guy?
Trading Parrish, who is one of the top returners in the league, should not be shopped unless they are getting something big in return, not just some mid to late draft pick. He is too valuable on ST's to just give away because the bills signed TO for one year.
hold on a sec.
Just because Mcgee didn't return kicks last year doesn't mean he still can't do it. Old?? your exagerating, he is more than capable of returning kicks at a very high level, definitely for another year.
McKelvin, we know can return kicks, but if you remember, he had 7 TD punt Returns and only 1 as a kick off return in college. So, there is little doubt in my view that he could return punts if need be. The only reason why he didn't is because we all ready had the established punt return leader in Parrish. It made a lot more sense that Mckelvin was going to replace Mcgee than Parrish, just for the simple fact that we knew Mcgee was going to be the starting DB and it made sense to get him off the field.
And you ask what has Fred Jackson does as a return man. Well obviously he had a limited role, but how about 7 returns last year for an average of 16.7 yards a return.
So I think he has shown that he can do the job.
So, yes Parrish is more expendable than what you think he is.
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Graham also said Peters isn't worth a first rounder.
That seems odd to me. No doubt that Tim is much more in tune with what is happening than us. But, I would be surprised, and not in a good way, if he were to only fetch a second rounder.
If that is the case, no way in hell do we accept it.
Again, let's remember, the Bills FO are holding all the winning cards here. He is Obligated to play out his contract. If he doesn't then he doesn't get payed, and he has all ready shown that he won't let that happen. Most likely Peters will accept the contract we offer him, because it will be a whole hell of a lot more than what he is receiving now.
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Parrish has some value, but most likely not as much as some people are hoping.
No doubt his value in Buffalo has gone down. With the return capabilities of Mcgee, McKelvin and Jackson it does make him more expendable on the return front, and as a Wide out, I just don't see him getting on the field more than a hand full of plays. Not to mention his $2 Million price tag.
It makes a lot of sense to try to shop him around.
In my view, the best scenario would be as a conciliatory prize to go along with another draft choice to target after a player, such as a Brian Waters. A move like this addresses a need. Maybe it would take a 4th or 5th rounder to go along with it.
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There is no doubt, that by adding T.O, he has changed the whole dynamic of our offense in a positive manner. We've all ready gone through on how he changes how defenses have to defend us both on the run and pass.
Aside from that, We do have two glaring issues that I would hope we would address through FA. The guard and LB position.
There are a few guards in the this year's draft that I believe could have an immediate positive impact for our offense, but I still would like to see either Goff, Simmons or even more so a possible trade for Waters. Maybe Parrish and a 4th would do the trick.
As far as LB is concerned, unless the Bills believe that Digiorgio or Bowen can do the job, then I would much rather pick up an inexpensive option like a Freddy Keiaho. It just makes sense to me instead of using one of our valuable early round draft choices on filling that need.
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Raji, Brown and Pettigrew.
In that order for me.
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Here you go again Magox...if you are going to bash the guy, at least give him his proper stats...he accounted for 4TD's and 4INTs during your fabled 3 game stretch, yet you contstantly report 2. He had over 350 yards passing and 2 rushing TD's against us...
He is also the 2nd highest rated QB in the NFL during the 4th quarter in his 2 seasons as a starter...he is also amongst the higherst rated QB's when the game is within 16 points...his QB rating drops heavily when his team is down more than 16 points and it accounts for MOST of his turnovers...
What this tells me is that he tries to do too much when playing with a big deficit...probably forces too many throws trying to get his team back in the game...but when the game is close (within 16 points) he has been pretty good and very consistent.
And for the last time, if you are going stomp your feet about how young Trent is, you gotta do the same for Cutler. He has only 2 seasons under his belt as a full time starter, has seen his #1 wideout miss games, lost every RB he had on his roster, and has had to CARRY the team as the defense was amongst the worst in the league.
And Shannahan gets too much credit for Cutler...its been a while since he was considered an offensive genius, and he is better known for making RB's into studs, not QB's...in fact, he failed with everyone but Elway, and he didnt make Elway. In fact, Elway got his ring because Shannahan brought a dominant running game in the name of Terrell Davis.
His decision making WILL get better with experience, and he is already a better decision maker than Trent who turns the ball over at a rate of more than 48% more than Cutler...
I hate to correct you. Actually I don't.
here you go
Week 15 '08 (@CAR) 74.3qb rating 1 td 1 int
Week 16 '08 (BUF) 72.4qb rating 0 td 1 int
Week 17 '08 (@SDG) 74.9qb rating 1 td 2 int
as I said, 2 td's 4 int'.s
check for yourself http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7760
no fable
Fact
This thread is about Cutler, and I just added what most reasonable people think.
your the one who has got to let it go.
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Looks like Tim isn't the only one who may have "missed" a few things lately ...
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Great minds think alike ... and according to our man Graham, so do yours and K.C. Joyner's:
ESPN.com: Don't be so sure Cutler makes Jets better
Here's Joyner's post over at The Fifth Down, the NY Times NFL blog.
This is what I've been arguing feverishly for the last week.
He has been atrocious when they needed him most. You couldn't have any more clear cut must win games than what he had last year.
Three games to go, All they needed was one win. It was an epic meltdown not just from the Broncos, but from their supposed leader. I am not just opinionating, but I am stating facts, he had three of his more mediocre games of the year during that stretch. Grant it, the defense totally let them down, but last I remember, he had qb ratings of less than 75 in each of his last three games, 2 T.D's and 4 int's, and should have had even more int's.
I've always thought he was a baby, and now he is showing his true colors again.
Now he is young, and the decision making and attitude department is an area that he can mature and better himself in. If he is able to improve in both those area's he would be an elite qb.
I don't believe he would be able to take the criticism of the N.Y media. He doesn't have thick enough skin to deal with it.
I don't see it as a good fit.
Having said all that, I hope he doesn't go to New York.
He is much better than what they all ready have, he is dangerous, he can put up some yards and points, and when he is on target, he is one of the best in the game. I hope we don't have to deal with him twice a year. I like the prospects of dealing with Clemmons more so than Cutler.
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The sad thing is that Oakland now has more talent than we do.
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“The most unfair thing about life is the way it ends. I mean, life is tough. It takes up a lot of your time. What do you get at the end of it? A Death! What's that, a bonus? I think the life cycle is all backwards. You should die first, get it out of the way. Then you live in an old age home. You get kicked out when you're too young, you get a gold watch, you go to work. You work forty years until you're young enough to enjoy your retirement. You do drugs, alcohol, you party, you get ready for high school. You go to grade school, you become a kid, you play, you have no responsibilities, you become a little baby, you go back into the womb, you spend your last nine months floating...
...and you finish off as an orgasm.”
- George Carlin....
if you are a person without faith, then this is the way it ends.
If you are a person of faith, then life begins after death.
on a sidenote, George Carlin shared some wonderful introspect of himself before he passed away.
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We're finished I tell ya
finished!!!!
Jarron Gilbert
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I was reading where he could play as a DE or DT in the 4-3.
Measuring his strength, vertical and 40 I definitely think he has the speed to play DE.
As you stated earlier the only drawback is the level of competition he has played. But the good news is that he dominated at that level, and was Defensive player of the year in that conference.
I wouldn't be surprised if he goes early in the second round.