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If the Bills spend the money on Taylor, them I'm convinced we're picking top 10 in the draft next year.
It would be one of the dumbest decisions that they could make. Who pays this sort of money for third stringers? I tell you who doesn't. Winning organizations
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Does anybody still care about the combine? Other than for bottom half draft picks and FA signings?
Robert Gallery proved to be what a joke the combine is.
I criticize people who put too much stock in the combine. Having said that, there is no doubt that it does serve it's purpose. There is no doubt that the combine should be part of the equation when you are evaluating draft day talent, I just question those who put too much emphasis in it.
But Bill, the scouts definitely care about the combine, like it or not, and it makes a lot more of a difference then just the bottom half draft picks or FA signings.
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Cook's college production was very good admittedly not great at a school where the QB was not the greatest and the running game was not good.
You cannot ignore the numbers Cook he put up at the combine. 40 inch vertical he is already 6' 5" Huge Hands and long arms. The guy is gettingup there big time. He can catch he is an excellent receiver. Look at his shuttle and cone times very strong.
In contrast Pettgrew did not even run all the shuttle and cone drills. When he did his numbers were not as good as Gronkowski'd and not close to Cook's .
Check stats at Football future. Tight ends. Check Milehighreport.com/combine for information on how the pro scouts evaluate talent based on the combine numbers.
Cook's combine compares favoribly to any one who has come out in the last 5 years maybe longer.
So basically you have scout day combine euphoria. Your solely basing it on his combine performance. The only thing you brought up aside from his impressive combine was that his "college production was very good". what was very good about it?
No one is still able to mention anything about him aside from his combine. The best I heard was that the qb from SC sucked and that is why he didn't have good numbers. Another words making an excuse for his lack of production. I am not saying it is not justified, but the bottom line is it is an excuse.
So by your draft day analysis, you would of picked up vernon davis right?
Btw, for those who say that speed is the main determinant. Anquan Boldin ran a 4.73 forty as a WR.
Too many people get this scouting day combine euphoria. They get wowed with these super athletes, then when they draft them, they realize that the player they drafted really isn't that good of a football player.
In contrast, all the analysts were very impressed with Pettigrew, they said he had the softest hands of the bunch, he had an explosive broad jump and vertical considering his size and we all know what kind of blocker he is. Let's not underrate that.
I'm not against Jared Cook, I just hope if we draft him, that he is a football player first.
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Did you know that Jax was missing 3/5 of their starting offensive line for a good chunk of the season? As long as you're running stats, take a look at MJD's 2008 numbers. Career-low yards per attempt, check. Yards per game, .3 above last year's career low, and on 30 more rushing attempts.
And I'd already heard about the reports of Taylor visiting the Pats and Bills, because Tim Graham picked up Shalise's story in the ProJo before either Rotoworld or SI did. Now tell me why, all other things being equal, Buffalo wouldn't have to top -- not just match -- any other team's offer to get a lifelong Florida resident to come to a team that hasn't made the playoffs in nine years (and counting).
Honestly? Considering Lynch's uncertain status, I'd love to have Taylor on this team. I'm not the least bit convinced it's going to happen, and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does, but we do agree on one thing: there are higher priorities than signing a 33-year-old running back who is hanging around merely to move up a couple of spots on the all-time rushing yardage list.
especially considering that you would have to pay him at least $2million to be your third string runningback
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A lot of the best players will be playing in the SB which would eliminate them from the Pro Bowl. Leave it the way it is. The players, coaches and their families love the vacation in Hawaii.
I disagree.
Most players from the superbowl usually don't play any way. If you have the game the week before the superbowl, there is no doubt that it will mean more to the fans and players. If they do this, the ratings of the game will be much higher.
No one watches the game the way it is right now.
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You don't think that a guy like Taylor wouldn't take a little less money to play on a team that, in theory, should be amongst the 5 teams most favored to win the Super Bowl, as opposed to a Buffalo team that has been struggling to break the .500 hump for almost a decade? Even if New England didn't make it to the Super Bowl (or the playoffs for that matter) the media attention on that team will be 100 times that of the Billls, barring a 10-0 start... at this point in Fred Taylors' career, when the sports media keeps asking if he is HOF worthy, I would think adding, and preserving his legacy would be more important to him than a million dollars... going to, and contributing to a Super Bowl caliber team will help Taylor more than, the more likely scenario, of fading into obscurity in Buffalo.
In case you haven't been paying attention, Fred Taylor has not missed all that much time in Jacksonville the last few seasons. Being part of a 1-2 punch with Maurice Jones-Drew has done wonders to revitalize his play. I am with you, assuming Lynch is in uniform, and healthy, he is the #1 guy. It really has nothing to do with the off-field stuff. That said, I would rather have three good running backs than two. I haven't seen much of Xavier Omon, but what I have seen, I haven't been real impressed.
Oh I've been paying attention. Did you know that Fred Taylor had his worst year ever in his yards per carry last year? Did you know that he had his worst yards per game output of his career? Did you know that he had the fewest yards rushing in a season since the 2001 season, which is the season he was injured in game 2. Did you know he had his lowest td total output of his career? I'm sorry, I think it is a little bit more than coincidence that all this happened at this stage of his career.
I just think it is a total waste of money to sign an aging player that is often injured.
I don't see the need to sign a third string runningback for $2 Million a year plus.
Makes absolutely no sense.
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The timing sucks and is a nightmare for Crabtree, but even if Seattle passes on him, will Cincy and Oakland? Hard to say. But the injury is considered very minor and if he can run a 4.5 or better at his pro day, he'll get vaulted back up. He's still the elite prospect IMO.
no way he gets passed cincy. Housh will be gone and chad is on the decline. Carson Palmer needs weapons
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It's raining TE's in this draft. The Bills have many needs. Why take Pettigrew at 11? Threre are 3 TE' sthat have the same athletic ability and both Nelson and Jared Cook, and Casey are better deep threats. We could get one in the 2-4th round that would imporve the team as much or more if you are looking for a down the field guy. Pettigrew is not any better as an athlete than Gronkowski who will likely be around unitl the 4th or 5 th round or lower
I would hate Pettigrew at pick 11.
Use pick 11 somewhere else. Like DE or LB (Pass Rushing) or DT. Or trade out of the spot. I would not mind Pettigrew at pick 28. Yes I do think he will be there at 28 and if not. Oh Well. Were stuck with Jared Cook who has the potential to be a perennial pro bowl guy. If need by I would have no problem Waiting around until the 4th round for a TE.
I've tried asking this question before and no one could give me a decent answer. Other than Jared Cook's impressive athleticism, what makes you believe he could be a perennial probowler?
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That is an ignorant idea.
The probowl game should be played the week before the superbowl, while it is still football season. I guarantee that the ratings for the game would be much higher than it is. People are still in football mode, after the superbowl, they are looking to other things.
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Good stuff from Tyler. The benching on top of any league-imposed suspension isn't going to happen, though.
And when someone figures out what could possibly entice Taylor to choose the Bills, please do us a favor and share it with the front office. They're going to need all the help they can get with that problem, because looking at it from his point of view, Buffalo would probably be near the bottom of any list of potential landing places.
this comment is way overused, regarding players not wanting to come to Buffalo.
Trust me, if someone offers you $2million a year to play for Atlanta, and Buffalo offers you $3Million, you are gonna go to Buffalo. It's more about the $ then the location, unless your some premadonna, egomaniacal selfabsorbed punk who wants the media hype of a flashy city, or you are a player that has fulfilled everything except win that prized superbowl.
None of these apply to Freddy.
Having said that, It would absolutely baffle me if we chose to sign Freddy. It would be a terrible move. He is injured half the time. He is old, he didn't have that good of a year last year. Half the people on this board are overreacting to the Marshawn incident. Marshawn is our man.
Everyone rushes to judgement without getting all the facts. Crucify first, ask questions later.
Real nice
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All the good teams pay their top players.
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glad to see this
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The Pats* are going to be hamstrung by the salary cap unless & until they find a taker for Cassell.
I really don't believe that the intentions of franchising Cassell is to see if they can pick up a few draft choices. I think they signed him for insurance. Not to say that they wouldn't trade him if the price was right
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We don't know if this is the 'final deal' offered. If Greer is interested in staying with the Bills, his agent will make a counter-offer. Given his recent injury, he should not be expecting the Hayden type of money. Perhaps they can agree to a shorter but more lucrative per year contract ?
I hope your right. What will probably happen is that they will test the market and see if they can get that big contract, but they will always have the Bills offer to fall back on.
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Right, but I dont think anyone here is advocating take him at #11 (at least I hope not).
2nd rounder, sure.
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let me ask you this. Would you take Vernon Davis in the second round? For sure you would of. You can't tell me that you are not experiencing scouting combine day euphoria. WHiich is what many GM's and talent evaluators experience after seeing a impressive combine day.
Vernon davis ran faster than cook, higher vertical, bench pressed more.
What is it about cook that makes you want to draft him "for sure" in the second round?
I am not questioning you, because I havn't seen him play. So I really can not comment on him. I mean I know it wasn't his production that impressed you because it wasn't really that amazing.
So other than his impressive combine, has anyone seen him play? and do you believe his play was impressive?
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I would take him off the board entirely. Great players have no impact on the bench. A chronic foot injury on a guy that big is a MAJOR issue IMO.
You are right about there being no player a sure thing. But, I believe Pettigrew has a high chance of succeeding in this league. I would hate for us to draft a player just because he WOWED and impressed everyone at the combine. These combines are overrated. I can't comment too much on Cook because I havnt seen him play too much. However I did see Pettigrew play a few games and he has got NFL written all over him. He moves very well for someone of his size, he is quick, nifty and agile. In my view, He would be a very good fit for this team.
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There is no doubt that he athletic attributes are amazing. I just question if he is a football player.
Look at Vernon Davis, he ran a 4.38
where is he now?
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I don't like the idea of Maybin as DE. I see him as a passrushing OLB. I just don't see the Bills Drafting him.
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I'm nervous at the prospect that we reach for a DE, just out of need, and he turns out to be a bust. I'd rather go with someone who is more of a sure thing.
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The guy's looked dominant the last three years. He made scrub DE's like LaBoy and Vandenbosch pro-bowlers; imagine what he could do for guys like Schobel and Stroud.
Is it a risk? No doubt. But the upside is turning our defense into a top-5 unit with the additon of one player.
I agree!!
at $12 Million a year, with the latest signings that have recently been signed $12 Million is starting to look like a bargain.
Since Suggs and Peppers are gone, and getting Orapko Or Brown through the draft are very uncertain. Maybe there is a chance that we target Haynesworth. He would provide more pass rush, plus obviously the run game would be stout as hell.
He is worth the risk in my view as well. Plus you know that he will reinvigorate the decimated fan base, and would help sell tickets.
I'm just concerned that there are many teams prepared to pay him this fee. He definitely has got to be the hottest FA this year.
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i want alex mack at#11,this team really needs a nasty center.if we improve the offensive line,the team will be able to sustain long drives.......that is like adding a player to the defense right there..go bills in"2012
Alex Mack is another player I wouldn't upset with.
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Jared Cook though has been even more impressive. He had 23 bench reps, a 10'3" broad jump, a 4.50 40 time, and a 41" vertical. He's really helping his cause right now. The one thing that separates Pettigrew is his blocking. He's like having an extra Tackle on the end out there.
Those numbers from Jared Cook were very impressive. I really don't know much about him, what is your take on him H20 as a football player?
and Let's go Bills I absolutely agree with everything you just said.
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If there wasn't all the strings attached, of course! But he would cost way too much, too many draft picks.
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He also said the 4.4 comment, while laughing during his press conference at the combine. So, yeah, he isn't a blazer, but neither is:
Chris Cooley (4.87)
Zach Miller (4.87)
Heath Miller (4.82)
I think with him, getting into the route, getting open and making runs after the catch will equal any deep catches the others might get as a TE in a slot (Y open) position.
These are all good TE's.
I don't think anyone expected Pettigrew to run a 4.4
If you noticed, he had an impressive vertical jump and Broad Jump, so not only is he a jumper for such a big guy, but that shows burst, the ability to separate.
Having said that, I still ideally would rather pick up Raji, Brown, Curry or Orapko if available.
The only other thing that has me possibly wanting to pass up on Pettigrew if these guys aren't available is that this years TE class is so deep. I believe there are a number of TE's this year that would be an upgrade to what we have had.
Impressing Performances at the combine
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I understand San Jose, I'm not saying that we shouldn't pick Cook at #42. All I am saying is, What has Cook done in his career other than being a stud athlete? I think that is a fair question to ask. Just because he is a super athlete doesn't justify him being the #42 pick.
I had this conversation with Steely Dan earlier, but I believe that Pettigrew is a "sure thing" in my view. There is no doubt that he will be an excellent blocker. That right there is a big plus and an underrated attribute that a lot of people on this board don't appreciate. I understand why, because that's all we've ever had, and they are tired of just blockers. But aside from his blocking, he has arguably the softest hands out of the entire list of prospects coming out this year. So that is a big plus. He moves around very well, he is very nifty and agile, combined with his size he will provide a very reliable target. He has been known to get good separation from his opponents.
I just think he is a complete Tight End.
I'd much rather pick Pettigrew at #11 at this stage because I know what he can bring to the table. Cook to me is an unknown, and I just hope that if we are looking to draft him, that he is a Football player and not the next Vernon Davis.