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I just dont see Buffalo drafting a wr in the first. Especially after last year it was proven how difficult it is for a rookie wr to make an impact. They have two vets in Reed and Evans. Two young guys in Johnson and Hardy. When they drafted Johnson last year i thought to myself this kid could be the sleeper of the draft for the Bills. I watched him play at Kentucky. His stats senior year are not that far off Macklins, and Johnson played in the SEC. Which has much better D's then the Big 12. If you dont believe me go check out the Big 12's drop in offensive production during the Bowl season. I would be very wary of drafting any O player out of that confrence. Just cause you put up good stats doesn't mean much. Most of the times it was like those guys were playing 7 on 7.Johnson is going to be a very solid player.
At the end of the day guys, the Bills have much more pressing areas to adress. I for one would be disappointed if we selected a wr in the first. The Bills need to go D in the First. Either tackle or end. Maybe TE in second. Then a LB with next pick. That order could change depending what they do in FA. But sorry no Macklin and no vet wrs please.
I really hope that the Bills don't draft a WR in the first round! If the Bills brass is not sold on Hardy or Johnson, and they want to pick up a blue chip widereciever then they should wait and hope that Hakeem Nicks is available in the second round. I've mentioned him before, I think he is gonna have the best pro career out of the whole WR draft this year.
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Regardless of how "great" you guys think our WR's are, we need to pick up a REAL difference maker in FA or via trade. Evans is our #1. Who's our #2 WR? Reed? Parrish? Hardy? Johnson? Johnson shows promise, but he's not there yet and likely won't make the giant leap forward to a #2 WR this offseason. Could it happen? Sure, but I doubt it. Reed is better fit for a #3 WR in the slot position where he can find the opening in the defense on slants, curls, and outs. He is NOT a quality #2 WR that we should be content with. Hardy is coming off of an ACL injury and likely won't be ready for much action this coming season. Parrish is another guy who fits as a slot WR and is not a #2 WR. Say what you want about Roscoe, but he can get open and has decent hands. Waste of a roster spot? I think not. His punt return ability alone would earn him a spot on ANY NFL team. Do you guys remember the return in the Seattle game? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNwdSe53KJ8 Watch the vid from 1:15 to 2:10 to refresh your memory. Parrish against the BroncosThe quality isn't that great, but I hope you start to get the point. If some one wants to give us a decent offer for the guy so be it, but he's not a waste of a roster spot.
We do need a real compliment to Evans still. The question is are we looking for a long-term guy or some one for the short term? If it's long-term (3 years or more) I say we go after Bryant, Boldin in a trade, Holt in a trade, or TJ Houshmandzadeh. If it's more of a short-term I say we go after Toomer, Clayton, Furrey, Gaffney, Darryl Jackson, or McCareins. I think that any of the guys mentioned would be an upgrade over what we have already. They all know how to play the position and could help to teach the younger guys the finer points of the game at the position. Especially veterans like Toomer, Furrey, Gaffney, and Jackson. I just think that Clayton and McCareins would be an upgrade and am not really sure how much of a help in the younger players' developement they would be. Either way, this position still needs to be addressed on the offseason.
I absolutely agree that we need a compliment to Lee Evans.
However, I don't think we need to go after a wide reciever this offseason. Guys like Furrney, Jackson, Gafney and that bunch, I'm not sure they would do better than Steve Johnson, and I definitely wouldn't want to pay anything significant to that bunch.
As far as Boldin or TJ, as much as I would love to have them on this team, Teams are not eager and willing to pay that sort of cash for 2 top wideouts. It just doesn't make too much football sense, in many GM's view. The structure of a football team and the salary cap makes it very difficult to pay top dollar and spend $20 Million on 2 widerecievers. Think about it for a sec, $20 Million on 2 widerecievers. So what does that leave for the other 60 players? $100 Million? It's not proportionate. Lee Evans is all ready getting a buttload of cash, and most likely guys like TJ and Boldin would command even more money. Not to mention what we would have to give up as far as draft picks for Boldin. If we were to get Boldin, I wouldnt be upset at all, but I don't see this as being a likely pickup, too much $$ and draft picks.
I think that there are more pressing needs for this team to go after than the widereciever spot. When Steve Johnson was given his opportunity in the last two games I think he showed a lot, and he should be given the opportunity to show what he can do, and who know's, maybe, just maybe Hardy might be able to show something as well.
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Right or Wrong, Plax and Ocho would never get consideration from the Bills Brass, so we might as well start deleting these two as an option.
Boldin, I love the guy, I think he would be great for us, but at what cost? We'd have to give him tremendous amount of $$ and I just don't see us tying up that sort of money for WR after we doled out all that cash for Lee Evans. Not to mention what we would have to trade to obtain him.
So I just don't see us making a run at any of these players.
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Oh please...its a topic discussion thread, so because I DISCUSS the topic you want to label it as combative...sorry I dont just resort to the style of you "Magot", "The Janitor", and "Jillspet" and start slandering peeps on here and then move on to the next thread and do it all over again...
Many times on here I have said great post to those who thought differently, I dont care if its right or wrong, just enjoy talking football...its the other posters who start the insults and combative approach...and guess what, it only happens when someone dare question the performance of the beloved Trent Edwards...its like blasphemy on here.
I only get annoyed with jackoff posts like your usual...
Funny, how my threads usually keep going and are generally full of football discussion with a few select trolls here and there...
awww
sounds like someone's little feelings got hurt
get upset, and pout, then call some one infantile names.
ok junior, I think mommy needs to use the computer, it's time to clean your room.
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LMAO...ok, so Farve would have stunk without Holmgren...and Vermiel is why the rams won...lol...
geezus...this is just getting hysterically bizarre...
Is that you Joaquin Phoenix?
You are combative, argumentative and you believe that you have to prove your point that your right every single time and if people don't agree with you, then you pout and argue some more.
I think your popularity rating in here is just as impressive as G.W Bush
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Flacco is not a blue chip.. im sorry. He plays for a good team. His stats are like worse than Trents...
I agree!
I watched Flacco play on numerous occasions and other than his arm strength, I didn't see anything to me that screamed out anything special.
I think his name and the Ravens record is what brought on all the Flacco Hype this year. My guess is next year, the expectations of what people have for him, will be high, and he won't live up to them, then we will see him for what he really is.
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"Human nature of the business"? Then I guess Trent is not truly the leader with the respect of the players he is purported to be. NOBODY in the Bills LOCKER ROOM thought Reich should start ahead of a HEALTHY Jim Kelly. To want a player on the team to not be capable of pushing the player in front of him at ANY position is just plain STUPID.
no disrespect, but your reaching. You have to admit, you do have an axe to grind with Trent, for what ever reason that may be. I mean give the guy a chance, he hasn't even had 20 full games under his belt, and he has a higher qb rating in his first 20 games then Eli Manning, Aikman, Brees and the list goes on and on.
Back to topic. It is human nature. C Bennet is right about that whether you agree with it or not. If you bring in someone with the percieved high calibur of Derek Anderson ($27Million dollar 3 year contract) then there is no doubt that Management would be showing a lack of faith in Trent Edwards, then just as C Bennett had mentioned rifts would start in the locker room and teammates would be able to see the obvious writing on the wall that management is looking to replace TE or else they wouldn't have made a big signing like Derek Anderson right???
Having said that there is no doubt in my mind that Trent would handle the competion with Derek Anderson with poise, if that were to be the case, and he would win the starting battle.
I know that the Buffalo Bills Brass has made lots of mistakes, but thank god, they are getting one thing right, and that is realizing that Trent Edwards is our franchise qb. I give them lots of props for making that decision quickly, and benching JP as soon as they realized that.
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I thought he was playing well...
I havnt really followed him lately, did his production drop off or is it for cap reasons?
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I have to wonder if NE* isn't playing a game here. Are they seriously intending to keep two high priced QBs in the roster (at least for this year) ? I think they are trying to see if they can indeed get the 2 first rounders in which case they still have Brady. If nobody wants to trade for Cassel, do the Pats* then turn around and try to trade Brady instead ? My guess is that they won't mind either outcome. I am pretty sure someone will offer at least a first rounder for Brady.
It's for insurance
$14 Million dollar insurance policy to have a chance at the superbowl if Brady goes down or isn't ready
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You know, I've never made it a secret that I'm a believer...a Trent Edwards believer.
Those who've read my posts and actually remember my positions will attest to that fact because those who vouch for themselves are doomed to have no credibility (AD).
I believe, maybe hope is a better word, that many of you will also verify that I am a very objective observer. But I will wish that others will testify to that claim. What can I say? Whatever.
I really wonder how many of you have watched pro football for a long time and have done so with any sense of perspective. Maybe there's a lot of testosterone not accompanied by much judgment flying around these parts. Maybe there's a lot of young guys with a lot of energy and not too much life experience. That's mostly forgivable.
Maybe there's a lot of people on our board with a lot of unhappiness in their lives who allow that unhappiness to color their perspective on how they judge others. That's too bad. Bitterness is a sad trait to carry around and it benefits no one. It's even more sad that some people feel the need to inflict their negativity and anger upon others.
I don't know but it seems like there's a lot of unhappy people directing a lot of negative energy towards others whether they be members of the Buffalo Bills organization or other posters.
Please remember, we're all here for the same reason.
Moreover, I wonder how many of you judge yourselves as harshly as you do your local NFL football players or your fellow posters.
This is a guy (getting back to Trent Edwards before I took a philosophical detour) we're debating ad infinitum, ad naseum, who has started 23 games in two seasons for a bad team and who has really represented himself well. He's never done anything to make us feel embarrassed or ashamed. He has struggled as young people do in tough situations. He has acquitted himself above what would be expected. He is certainly a more accomplished person than myself and most of you. I can't believe the guy is only 25 years old. When I think back to when I was that age....
Be objective. Where was Troy Aikman after two seasons?
Don't let your ego get in the way of objectivity. Those of us who played a lot of sports as young people should be able to win and lose gracefully and graciously. That's the point of sports. You learn to win and lose and deal with it. What's really at stake here? We're all anonymous. Why is it so important to win arguments and slander each other and pro athletes? Especially when we are arguing in the name of negativity, hatred, and pettiness?
What a wonderful and thoughtful post!
Both on a philosophical level and on football.
I would have to say this is one of the best posts that I have read in a while.
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Losman was at his best, when he was coached hard and put on a short leash.
You have to have a really really really really simple game plan for Losman to thrive in.
A game plan that consists of throwing the ball on either a deep post, deep slant, bomb or a check down. No more than three guys running a passing pattern, because he is not able to check to the 2 or 3 or 4 reciever, and you have to give him max protection and if he can't find an open reciever in three seconds, then either run like hell or throw it away.
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No question that the Bills need improvement from Trent. But to give up on him after 24 games is not how you develop a QB. Starting over -- again -- with some rookie (who will take 3 years) or some other team's wash out is not how to build a playoff team. It's not like there is a Drew Brees out there this year.
And if you remember, it wasn't until Drew Brees fourth year that he had a succesful year
In his first 33 starts he had a completion average of below %59, he threw for 29 TD's and 31 Int's, had a losing record, averaged less than 200 yards per game passing, had a 71 passer rating, and averaged less than 6 yards per attempt.
I remember, I thought he was going to be a bust, then he blossomed in his fourth year.
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I'm obviously a big supporter of Trent, I think he has got what it takes to take us to the promise land with the right system and personnel. Having said that, If I had to take someone out of the group that you just mentioned, it would be Cuttler. Strong Arm, Accurate and Fiesty. Makes some dumb mistakes, but he is young. Most qb's don't hit their stride until after their 5th year or so.
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This always happens...I show some stats on Trent and it turns into such an uproar as no one wants to face the facts that it starts to look like I am supporting the topic (in this case D. Anderson) and running Trent out of town...I didnt even start this thread...
I totally agree D. Anderson has a high cap figure, and any acquisition would be best done with a reworked contract. I am not even saying D. Anderson should be our guy as I am in NO WAY sold on him either...when I post the comparative stats, it was in response to those saying how bad he is and how great Trent is. All I was saying, how can you say that when the guy has clearly out produced Trent. Sure he struggled in 2008, but Trent regressed too...
I only said, it would be nice to get a guy who has shown on the field he has potential who could PUSH trent for the starting job. I am in no way saying that Trent is worse or better than Derek...but Derek showed plenty of promise in his first 31 games and he also has had some struggles...not much unlike Trent this year when he regressed as a young QB.
And my original post into this thread was not to go out and get Derek, but asked what if we could get Derek and Winslow in a pacakage deal as both are likely to be on the market?
Your obsession for thrashing Trent is becoming creepy.
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Oh look, it's another Trent bash thread from Betadog.
Yawn.
My thoughts exactly
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I wouldn't bet against it... his open market value took a huge hit because of him missing a year... and he his open to returning.
Ya, I read that, and I agree with that. I personally would love for him to come back in a Bills uniform this year. Probably could get him at a good value.
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The original poster was probably guilty of just a wee bit of excess enthusiasm. But I'm willing to overlook that. We as Bills fans don't always have a lot to get excited about. Steve Johnson is one of those sources of excitement--albeit not quite as exciting as the original poster made him out to be.
exactly!!! I think everyone knows its a bit silly to seriously compare Johnson with Fitzgerald. But there is definitely a sense of possible excitement in seeing what Johnson can do for us this year. I'd like for him to have a real shot at competing at for the #2 spot. I think he is gonna put up some good possession numbers and td's.
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The latest word from the front office agrees with you.
What do you mean? That the front office is looking into resigning Crowell?
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LMAO...he had 48 yards...geezus...I mean he had 50 yards on a single carry against SF...reading too much into a 48 yard performance in an exhibition game...
Your just trying to justify your silly trade for Boldin. I'm sure you now hate reading anyting good about Marshawn.
Way to be a buzzkill on Marshawn's Probowl game
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Safe to say? Bo had one more touchdown than Fine who was a rookie. It's probably safe to say that Bo had a much better QB throwing to him and a lot more snaps than Derek did. Say no to Bo and yes to Derek.
Collins better than Edwards. Ummmm No
And if you don't realize that Bo is a sure upgrade from what we have. Then it's useless to argue this with you
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Exactly who's the "at least one" sure thing TE or WR veteran that you're talking about the Bills signing? Bo Scaife has never had more than 2 touchdowns in a season. Who's the receiver? Holt? Toomer? I'd rather have Fine and Johnson starting over any of these veteran guys because I'm convinced both would play at least as good if not better than any of those veteran players. Wouldn't it better serve the Bills to use that money to get a viable option at QB to backup our fragile starter?
BTW, for every McCargo and Youboty mistake there's been a Greer, Jackson and Crowell who've developed into high quality players. The only difference is that it took injuries to force the hands of the jackass coaches to let those three players who actually had the talent play.
Oh I think it's safe to say that Scaife would for sure be a "sure" upgrade from what we have had.
And, I wouldnt be calling Youbouty a mistake just yet.
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poor JP
he bought his house at the peak of the housing market bubble
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Mack is not a good fit for our offense. He is not a player worthy of the number 11 pick and may not come off the board until late second round.
I think you've been listening to other people's opinion too much. I've seen that stated here a few times. The fact of the matter is that he has proven not just for USC but in the senior bowl that he is very stout against the bullrush. Plus he's pretty frickin big. So that argument that he doesn't fit in our offensive scheme just doesn't fly with me and probably lots of other talent and player personnel scouts. Some very lucky team will have the opportunity to draft this man.
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Cassel has some advantages over any college QB in the draft.
You know he can play in the NFL. He has already done it.
Coached by Bellicheat and staff, mentored by Brady.
Seems to be grounded (hasn't let fame go totally to his head..at least not yet).
Every college QB is a huge question mark, talent not withstanding. Can he adapt to the pro game? Will getting paid go to his head? Can he handle being on his own, in the world, with no restrictions? etc.
Cassel may not end up being better than some of the QBs in the draft, but the risks associated with picking him up, are much lower.
One of the big problems though with picking up Cassell is his price tag.
he is coveted.
he came off a very good year and showed lots of promise.
he is in a position of desperate need from many teams.
So it's like buying a stock at a high. It's all ready priced in.
Most likely you will have to overpay to get him.
And just like any stock that is high. There is a good chance it will fall from the value that you purchased it at.
No way I would pay 2 first rounders to aquire him. Maybe the Patriots will let him go for less outside of the division, but no way would they give the Jets Cassel for less than 2 first rounders.
for those who wanted Chris Canty...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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That's what happens when dumbass GM's pay guys like Tommy Kelly that sort of cash.
Then everyone else has to pay.
The only problem is it becomes a snowballing problem.
Say no to Canty!!!