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This is why we can't let Peters go
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Cutler's natural talents are unquestionable. However, he seems to make the worst mistakes at the absolute worst times. Did anyone catch the Week 16 game last season when the Bills went into Denver and came away with a victory, thanks largely to bad decisions made by Cutler? That was a must-win game for the Broncos too. I will have to say that I came away from that game more impressed with Edwards than I did Cutler. Yes, I know Cutler has a much stronger arm. However, Trent made clutch plays down the stretch in bad weather in a hostile environment, while Cutler threw a back-breaking interception with the game on the line.
there is little doubt, that when he is in a clutch game or situation, he has failed. The Bills and Sandiego game are perfect examples. He has never led them to a playoff game, he has a losting record, and remember, this is a team that traditionally make the playoffs on a consitent basis.
I know that he has had a weak defense, and the rb problems, but the bottom line is that he hasn't been a winner, and when they needed him the most, he has failed.
They needed to beat Buffalo, and they would of made the playoffs. Bottom line is, he made tremendous errors, that cost them their opportunity to be in the playoffs. That is a fact.
he is a crybaby, and he is immature, and he has shown that in the past. There is a reason, why Josh Mcdaniels, who has been very successful (look what he did with cassell) doesn't want him around. He obviously feels that this is not the guy that can lead him to the promise land.
Cutler has all the skills and arm that you want in a qb. I'm not sure that he has the mental makeup to be a winner, either does Josh mcDaniel.
Either way, Josh McDaniel now will be in the hot seat if they trade him away. He has a lot of balls and confidence to do that. He will get grilled if they don't produce a winner. he now has put tremendous pressure on his shoulders.
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Yeah, let's pick a guy @ #11 that didn't even reach double digits in sacks in 4 years of college (9 Total) when we're looking for a person who can consistently pressure the QB.
I respect your opinion H20, but Ayers looks pretty damn good. It does concern me that he only got 3 sacks in his entire senior season. After doing more reading on Ayers, I think there is a reality that doesn't fit the 3 sack total he had his senior season.
I don't know if I would get him at the #11, and to tell you the truth, It wouldn't bother the hell out of me if we did draft him at that spot, But I definitely would seriously consider trying to trade back into the latter half of the first round if he is stil there to get him.
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2009/feb/22...k-keeps-rising/
Just on a side note, he dominated big Andre Smith out of Alabama when they played, and he dominated Michael Oher at the senior bowl in 1 on 1 drills.
Contrary to what many people believe, they say he has an explosive first step.
I'd rather have Ayers than Michael Johnson or Maybin, that's for sure.
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Travis Beckum could be the solution to our TE dilemma. This guy has got everything we are looking for and since he missed most of his senior season should slip to the 3rd or 4th round. He could be an immediate starter. Plus this will allow us to address our DE and OL/LB needs with our 1st two picks. FYI - made known of this person from a big-time nfl insider - can't disclose source.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile...rospect_ID=1248
I understand that he has great production and speed. But using the word "everything" is a stretch. Remember, he is a Tight End, so a big part of Tight End duties is blocking. We run and pass 50/50. If you read up on him, he is 235 lbs, which is very small for a TE and he has very little experience blocking lined up next to the tackle. He was used more split out.
He would be at best in his first year with us, as a situational TE. He would most likely not be used in our base formation because he would be a liability as a blocker.
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no, basically he feels like McDaniels and Xanders are snakes, and tehy are full of sh*t, which he is probably right. They attempted to get Cassel, without letting him know anything, and now they are attempting to deny it. Great way to start their GM and coaching careers...by alienating one of the better young QB's in the NFL, and likely a QB a lot of NFL teams would love to have...
Oh well, guess it goes to show them not to do stupid things, get caught and then try and deny them...
Cutler has every reason to be pissed and apparently things got worse when they met face to face with Cutler shouting at McDaniels...this is not gonna work...they have to move Cutler, because you cannot have one of the team leaders basically having no respect for the coach or GM because of the way they have treated him and their attempts to do shady stuff behind his back, then lie to his face when they get caught that they weren't trying to do it...yeah whatever...
Are you serious?
Since when is it the GM's or coaches duty to inform the player of possible trade scenarios.
Btw,
I hope Detroit gets him.
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I've read a few reports, that have stated that when Cutler met with McDaniels, that McDaniels told him what it is that he expected out of Cutler, and Cutler saw it as a personal attack. Sort of like a, HOW DARE YOU? sort of a deal.
Let's remember, It is Cutler's duty to make the coach happy, not the coaches duty to make the player happy.
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What are the chances we can trade you ?
there is no trade value
gotta cut him
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Looks like things aren't going well with him and McDaniels. Rotoworld reports that Detroit may make a move to try to trade for him with their 2nd 1st round pick.
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the article is on the front page:
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/billsnfl/story/606369.html
"However, a source familiar with talks said Peters’ first offer was in excess of the $11.5 million-a-year deal signed by Miami’s Jake Long, who was the first pick in the draft last year. Long’s deal was for five years and $57.5 million. "
"It’s believed Peters wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL. "
"The top contract signed by a veteran left tackle went to Carolina’s Jordan Gross just three weeks ago. A week before he was about to become an unrestricted free agent, he signed a six-year contract worth about $60 million, with $30.5 million in the first three years of the deal. "
That's a far cry from what we all have been hearing and reading. Even in that article they say $3Million a part. What we've read is that the Bills are offering $8.5 Million a year.
Well, if we are offering him $11.5 Million which I doubt, then we should stand pat on that offer. He will eventually sign it.
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The reference to Galloway's consecutive 1k yards production was to note that, prior to getting hurt last year, Galloway was producing at a very high level the 3 previous seasons - averaging 67 catches for 1118 yards and 7 TD's.
I think it's obvious that Galloway wasn't signed with the goal to supplant Moss or Welker as the 1-2 in NE. He was signed as the #3 WR, specifically to matchup against nickel backs in the role that Gaffney provided I suppose. But Gaffney never produced to the level that Galloway has. If Galloway can stay healthy he's a monumental improvement over Gaffney and will cause DC's headaches as they look to matchup their nickel backs against this guy.
I gotta agree with Pneumonic. Too many people here on this board are downplaying his ability. Thank God the Bills Coaching staff and players don't feel the same way you guyz do. He did have back to back 1000 yard seasons before last season. Also, just so people know, even the games he played last year, their were many games where he was playing with a Hammy, so that did hamper his play.
Galloway in the slot. That scares me.
The guy knows how to get open, he's crafty, quick, undoubtedly lost a step, but still dangerous.
If he is healthy, this will be a very good pickup for the Patriots
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The Bills if they make a trade for Peters will probably give him away........What is a LT who made the pro bowl two years running, and voted the Best young tackle in the league worth? Last year he laid back wanting a new contract... When he wants to be he is the best LT in the league game in and game out... He should be paid so. What is he now making? 3 to 4 million when other good ones are making double or more.
Philly knows what they are getting and that is why they will push the trade... He is worth a lot but the Bills will excect anything
I say sign Peters and get it over with... But the Bills history tells us different...
I think the Bills will pay him a contract of $10 Mill a year with incentives that could possibly take him to $11-12 Mill a year.
I don't see the Bills trading away unless they get a really sweet deal. They know that we have a lot invested in this season, with Jauron, T.O, Trent and the desperate Bills fans. We have him for $4Million this year, the Bills FO have the leverage on this deal. If we don't trade him during the draft, which I hope to God we don't, then I see him coming into camp and trying to renogotiate a deal.
We'll see
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11 is too early for pettigrew IMO. Cook, Beckum, Coffman will all be available in rounds 2 and 3 and I think any of them can be just as effective.
I hear what your saying, but how can you really say that Cook, Beckum and Coffman can be just as effective as Pettigrew?
Apples and oranges.
In Pettigrew you have a player that can be an asset in every single down, run and pass.
In Cook, Beckum and Coffman they could be slightly better (which I have my doubts) than Pettigrew in the passing game, but they are tremendous liabilities in the run game.
First, Cook in my view, after doing more research on him, has been seen as a disappointment, considering his skill set.
They say he has been questioned by Spurrier for having heart, he never had better than decent #'s, little productivity, and is seen to not only be a bad blocker, but a non willing Blocker.
To me that says. STAY AWAY!! Scratch him off.
Coffman, I like him. I think he will be a good pro. But we know blocking is not a strong suit of his, they say he is a willing blocker, but not an effective one. But the big thing about Coffman is that his speed is the same as Pettigrew's. So I don't see him as having a receiving advantage as far as stretching Defenses up the middle. That in my view make's Pettigrew much more valuable than Coffman.
Beckum is an intriguing prospect. I like him as well, but as an H back, situational player. He has tremendous #'s and production. Very athletic and can stretch the field. But he is 235 lbs, and is not known to play on the line. There is little doubt that he would get manhandled and we would not be able to put him in on many plays.
Remember, we run and pass 50/50 .
I wouldn't be upset if we got players like Coffman or Beckum, but we have to realize that they would not be every down players and would not be effective as blockers, at least not for a good while.
In Pettigrew, you know what you get. Defenses will not be tipped off if we are to be passing or running, he would keep defenses more unbalanced.
To say that these guys would be just as effective, I just don't see it. Pettigrew in my view definitely brings more total value than the players you just mentioned.
But I really hope that we don't consider Cook. He is a work out warrior, but that is about it. He lacks courage, blocking and never has produced up to his talent. Stay away from this one.
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The reports are that the Bills offered Peters a contract better than what Jake Long the #1 overall pick got last year.
Peters now wants to be the highest paid left tackle in the NFL.
If the Bills negotiated with Peters in March of '08, they would not be in this position.
The Bills promised to re-work Peter's contract in '09 in order to get Peters to report.
Peters made the pro-bowl again.
If Peters was a free agent, he'd be the highest paid left takle in the nfl.
When you promise a guy that you will re-work a deal, you've got to pay the market rate.
show me the link that they offered him a contract better than Jake Longs?
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Beacuse some teams are in dire need of a solid LT and they are hard to come by. I dont think he is all that either but he is one of the better options for some teams.
like we aren't in dire need?
do some people actually think before they post?
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The problem with the bolded statement is that he had ONE good year at LT and one BAD year at LT. You assume because of one GOOD year that he's a good LT. Others are choosing to believe that because of one BAD year, it's not safe to assume we'll get nothing but quality play from the guy. He's sucked 50% of the time, to me that's no guarantee of ANYTHING. Therefore, he doesn't deserve any more money.
But you omit his 2006 season at RT. Where he had a good year.
I keep hearing people with your argument, but they conveniently forget his 2006 season at RT.
So the Reality is that he had 2 good years and one substandard year. That is the reality. So according to your logic he played well %66 of the time. That makes 2 good and one not so good.
Not to mention, the year he didn't play well was the year he didn't participate in any of the minicamps, preseason and held out till right before the day the season started. Undoubtedly this played a role in his substandard play.
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No matter what we pay Peters now, it will not be good enough in 2 years. We have a problem and he is never going to be happy.
Ok
just think about this for a second. For all of you who want Peters gone,
Look who you are in agreement with
Skooby
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Um, they threw it that much because they Cutler was effective when throwing...if we had a QB who could throw like I am sure we would pass more too...
Instead, our staff is so iffy on our QB that we run the ball 3 straight downs to end a game with a long FG with lots of wind instead of using the final minute on the clock to throw the ball and try and get better field position...
So, to me, that shows a lack of confidence in our QB not to turn the ball over AGAIN in that game...where in Denver, they rode Cutlers arm because without him they win maybe 2 or 3 games last year.
Alpha, I thought you said you were going to just chime in one more time about this,
about 5 times ago.
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you need to edit your page.
The reason why he is being mentioned in trade talk here at TBD is because of his lack of production as a WR. Josh Reed is clearly the better slot receiver. So where does he fit other than as a PR? Sure he could be used as a 4th WR in the slot, but at a cost of more than $2 Million a year, it starts to look pretty questionable. Specially considering that his greatest value is at PR and Freddy Jackson and McKelvin could both do the job, which makes him more replaceable
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I think there is little doubt that Raji could help this team out tremendously. He is very quick for his size, strong and plays with good leverage. He is very effective at shooting the gaps and I believe would help out our team not just in the run defense department but also in collapsing the pocket.
However I do believe he would be more effective with our team if he weighed about 10-15 lbs less than what we've seen him.
I just don't see him making it to us. He seems to be moving up the charts, specially after his proday workout.
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I'm thinking that Roscoe could possibly be a trade target. $2.5 Million less pay and very little production as a WR. Josh Reed has shown to me that he will be a very effective slot receiver, and the leaves Roscoe odd man out. What Roscoe brings to the table is his elite PR ability. Freddy Jackson has shown he can fill in PR duty very effectively, and let's not forget about McKelvin. McKelvin was more known coming out of college for his PR abilities than his KR. So, in my view the person that is most at risk of leaving the Bills is Roscoe.
After Roscoe, I see Jenkins as the next odd man out. He hasn't and won't contribute on the offensive side of the ball field, unless some sort of freak accidents occur with our WR's. He contributed as a special teamer and that does have an importance, but if we were to keep Roscoe I just don't see how Jenkins stays. Unless we were to keep Hardy on PUP for the first half of the year and then on the practice squad through out the year if they didn't believe he was ready and we were short on special teams help.
1)Roscoe
2)Jenkins
3)Hardy
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If I remember correctly, , that was one of the main points folks made when arguing not to give him the $$$gazillions$$$ he was demanding last season - "let's take a 'wait & see' approach' and make sure he's still playing at a high level."
If I also remember correctly, he's again coming off an injury, and didn't exactly play at the level expected of him last season anyway.
some people never learn
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I thought Kirk Chambers did a very good job last year considering this was his first stint with the Bills. I think he proved to be valuable, I see him more as quality depth, that can step in and do the job when called upon. I don't know quite enough about him to know if he can step in and be a starter, but I do know that last year, he did show promise last year with the exception of the Dolphins game.
According to the breakdown that the www.buffalorumblings.com site had of him, which btw was very imformative, he looks as if he could step in at the gaurd position if need be. Great site the Buffalo rumblings has
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oh what short memories many of us have.
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Great article, found it interesting he senses Peters is on his way out and mentions it twice:
"This team has few options. It sounds as if they are about to discard the best offensive lineman they have had since their Super Bowl days, left tackle Jason Peters, whom they should have tied up for the next five or six years. They don’t have a left guard. They may or may not have a center. They don’t have a tight end. They need a pass rusher. Now they may be bidding bye-bye to Peters.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/billsnfl/story/608132.html
I get the feeling he is about to slit his wrist
Cutler formally asks to be traded
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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For all you who say that McDaniels instigated this situation. Read in between the lines
SOURCE: COOK WANTS NEW CONTRACT FOR CUTLER
Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2009, 11:34 a.m.
With none of the top quarterbacks in the draft pool picking him to be their agent, Bus Cook had to find a way to get his name into the NFL conversation in the weeks leading up to the 2009 version of the rookie selection process.
What better way to do it than to demonstrate his power and influence to the quarterback class of 2010 by forcing a trade of Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler?
Dan Patrick said on the Monday edition of his show that Cook recently responded to a report from Peter King that Cutler had asked for a trade before the possibility of trading Cutler ever arose with the time-honored non-denial denial: “Not that I know of.”
We’re now convinced that Cook is the primary instigator of Cutler’s discontent — and also the primary impediment to a meaningful coach-player meeting that could resolve the situation and keep Cutler around.
King told Patrick on Monday that coach Josh McDaniels still wants to have a one-on-one meeting with Cutler.
In other words, McDaniels wants to be able to talk to Cutler without Cook sticking his nose into the discussion, saying and doing things that will prevent Cutler’s currently stubborn resolve from weakening.
Indeed, a league source tells us that Cook’s idea for solving the current impasse was — what else? — a fat new contract for Cutler. If the Broncos aren’t willing to give Cutler a new deal, then Cook and Cutler want to be traded.
Cook is a West Virginia native, so we’d ordinarily be inclined to give him the Pat White treatment. In this case, we can’t. Cook has been at the center of too many unnecessary controversies, and he has failed to use his tremendous influence over his clients to persuade them to find a way to make things work. Instead, Cook has thrived of late on destroying existing relationships, for no apparent strategic reason other than to get his name in the paper.
That said, it’s not too late for the Broncos to take control of the situation. As pointed out in our latest SportingNews.com item, the Bengals did it last year with Chad Johnson, and the Cardinals did it last year (and might do it again this year) with Anquan Boldin. When a player is under contract for three more seasons, the team (not the player) has the power to determine whether the player will be traded or released before those three years expire.