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Also, it's important to note that most of those stats were in the second half of the season when Allen started to have a rapport with him.

I really miss the extensive camp write-ups (was it GunnerBill or Astro or...) which would go through every element of every play of 11-on-11, 7-on-7, etc. Whoever did those -- while I'm sorry I forget who it was -- thanks and know they are missed.

Its funny how many of the people who are arguing about there being too much politics in football and how they want an oasis are bringing politics to this football conversation board. Anyway, between the Bills looking like SB contenders for the first time in two decades and the yearning for a distraction from everything that is 2020 and cabin fever, I'm about as into this season as I've ever been. I'll admit there's a bit of an odd detached feeling with the lack of pre-season and info -- and I don't get the last part as while it is a sport and I understand trying to get every advantage you can, it is ultimately there for entertainment and hiding an already action-light pre-season activity from the public seems silly, but I'm excited for Saturday to see who makes it, who gets to PS and if players I've liked but don't really deserve to make the team (Duke, Robert Foster) are still in the Bills family or get their shots elsewhere. And you know I'll be excited a week from Sunday and rooting as hard as ever. As for the lack of fans, it won't hurt the Bills -- they were 6-2 on the road, and we all saw how this team fed on the opposing teams' fans. We're "Renegades"!

Or some people love the country enough to try to make sure it lives up to its ideals instead of blindly following. Um, can we get back to talking about football?

So are you lobbying to bring back feudalism. I gotta say, that is not on my TBD hot takes bingo card.

I'm sorry, but I find it amusing that you've accused this of someone with the screen name "logic" who from what I've seen is presenting a reasonable argument (not that you are not).

I read articles. Your assertation that it doesn't spread outside is ridiculous and contradicts most of the science (which is admittedly still not completely known to begin with which makes your definitive stance all the more ludicrous. The virus spreads less outdoors than it does outside, but it still spreads, and it's more likely to spread when people are closer together and talking loudly. What does that last part sound like? There are multiple cases of outbreaks at large outdoor parties. OK, there's something we agree on.

More of them than at certain other protests and/or rallies where they were aggressively not wearing them and in people died. One person wears a mask, it reduces another person's transmission roughly 70% and their chances are down 30%; both and it's almost 100%. It's a group that tends to have more people who believe masks work and let's leave it at that, Mr. Big Hands. This thread is about to be closed down soon, isn't it?

That's not how that works. You can't prove a negative. But, in any case, a perfuctory google search shows many, many, many articles from independent sources have roughly the same line "most/everyone there are wearing masks" https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03FyXEYFg4TXBW12o-WP_22Ja94cg%3A1597887786860&source=hp&ei=KtU9X-jDMZWqytMP7-W86A8&q=what+was+the+percentage+of+mask+wearing+at+blm+rallies&oq=what+was+the+percentage+of+mask+wearing+at+blm+rallies I'm pent up and missing football also and could use letting loose and cheering on the Bills, but this virus is brutal and very infectious -- I've already lost multiple friends and it sucks. I get the argument for individual rights, but when there are consequences that could lead to a cruel death... well, we owe it all to each other to make sacrifices.

They weren't drunk, they wore masks, and they social distanced (or at least many of them tried to).

Fans chose... wisely! I love that the Dallas play where, down 7-0, he calmly threw from his own end zone on 3rd & 10 and hit Beasley for a first down. The feeling that these kinds of plays will be converted and not end in disaster is a feeling I have not felt since... well, Kelly if ever.

I'm in a 4-sport league with seven others (three of whom are Bills fans) and we are in holding mode -- we did a seasonal draft when it looked like baseball was going back, but are now holding again. In the meantime, we've been doing a throwback league starting in 1978. I won 1979 and have been mediocre since, but 1984 looks good. I had Joe Ferguson, btw (he was up and down). I highly recommend it if you're missing fantasy sports. You can even create your own rules.

If he has the talent to do great punts, and can cut out the horrible punts, that is upside -- it's the very definition of upside. Players improve -- that happens very often in this league. I'm not saying I think he will do it, nor that we should keep him. In fact, in an earlier post, I said very clearly, by the same logic, a flyer on Turk would not have been a terrible idea. But to suggest that players can't improve is just silly.

D'oh, yes, sorry, it's been a long, depressing day and I forgot he was there in 2018. I still stand by his upside, but looking back, it's not a great progression. Hopefully, if he stays, he hits his ceiling, if not -- meh.

My point is he was a rookie and one with a lot of upside, and rookies sometimes get better. If he marshals that, he'll be great -- that's why he's still here. It was a nice luxury having a Brian Moorman we could depend on for over a decade. I suspect they're looking for that and not just an endless rotation of mediocrity. But also, by that logic, they should've kicked the tires on Turk (maybe he was asking for more than your average UDFA kicker). He also has kicked boomers at the most opportune times. But, I'm sorry, I'll let you get back to that hate (and don't think i don't understand it, he was hella frustrating last year) -- let it flow through you ;).

That's a bit of a hot take. He was the best of times, he was the blurst of times, basically. He had some breathtaking punts and was one of the best at landing his punts within the 20. He also shanked some to an embarrassing degree -- in some cases, this happened back-to-back (pretty sure the first two punts of the Ravens game played out that way). Seriously, I'd be texting a friend -- "see, that's why they keep Bojorquez" and within ten minutes he'd hit one off the side of his foot and we'd be defending within our own territory and I'd look foolish. We'll see, or maybe we won't. While we clearly know Vedvik was a disaster as a placekicker, but he had some upside as a punter at one point. At least Bojorquez is being pushed this off-season.

Oy, really?! Or, as is more likely, Allen and Darnold (as young quarterbacks with promise) are young QBs on the rise. I agree that the AFC East at start is probably the lowest on QBs going into the season. But you're acting like quarterbacks' QBR never improves, just ask Lamar Jackson and his 46.3 or whatever Drew Brees' would have been in his second and third seasons (not calculated, but his Rating was 9 and 19 pts worse than Allen's in 2019, so can't imagine it could be much better). And there's a lot of examples. By the way, according to ESPN, Allen was 24th -- not great, but again SECOND YEAR, same for Darnold. Also, this acts as if the fact Allen can beat you with his legs and had as many rushing TDs as the #2 picked-RB last year. It's funny how the league's QB-style has evolved, but our notions of measuring them hasn't. Allen had two more rushing TDs than the league MVP who is known for his rushing skills. Allen could still go either the Trubisky way or the Brees way, but to act like he (or Darnold for that matter, and I know what I have said here about Darnold) is clearly destined for a career of mediocrity does not hold water. They both have high ceilings and have shown progress (Allen IMO more than Darnold) -- including being better in the last 10+ games of the last season. But, have fun with your "Let's Bash Our QB Who Just Led Us To A 10-6 Record And The Playoffs In His Second Year" Party. I feel he's already proven me wrong that he should not have been the pick in 2018 (in fairness, i fell behind him shortly after he was drafted).

They lost a lot of key players on that #1 defense as well (Van Noy, Collins, etc.). I agree we're being premature in declaring the Patriots dead-in-the-water, but there are reasons to believe they won't be as good, but given the last few years, even as positive as I tend to be, I would not be shocked if they beat us both times this year and were still a decent team. I also would not be surprised if after playing them very close both times last year, the dam burst and our up arrow team destroys their down arrow team twice.

Sorry, but, yes, based on the recent history of rookie QBs, especially one coming off an injury, yes, presuming he will be better than an average QB is ridiculous. This should not even be a debate. And, I'm sorry, but, no, 22 TDs to 3 INT in last three quarters of second year is not "proven himself to be an average starting QB... at best" He's got flaws, but there would be similar reason to believe his arrow is pointed upwards, so if you're going to presume for Tua, who has not taken one snap in the NFL yet, I'm sorry, but you have to do the same for Josh Allen who has looked better as time goes by. Why we go so out of our way to diminish our own players is beyond me sometimes. I'm not saying Josh Allen is Top Ten right now, just that he's maybe earned enough respect to be considered better than a raw rookie before he comes in the league.

Ranking a QB who led his team to the playoffs and had 22 TDs and 3 INTs in the last 13 games should rank behind a QB who was injury prone in college and has not played a down in the NFL is reasonable? Well, you have a right to YO.

I may be wrong, but I think you are waaaaay far away from what the team thinks of those players. I'd be surprised if at least one of them was not extended this off-season.

Who himself was no Ethan Albright, but probably better than Jon Dorenbos at everything but magic. I dunno, made me laugh.

Barnett was solid as a Bill, but given how heartily he embraced the city and the fanbase, would have loved if he had been able to play longer as a Bill. I hadn't realized (or had forgotten) that he was already around 30 when he got there. Always liked him for no particular reason from fantasy football and when he was cut (if memory serves, he was post-FA release, but memory does not always serve me ideally), I was eager for Bills to sign him, and so happy when they did.

It's a fair point, but for the record, I could really use the distraction of football, plus this being the season football is not played would be such a Bills thing. Also, I'd really love to go to a game, either near me when they come to play the Jets, or going up to Buffalo to meet up with old friends. That being said, I want them to go as slow as they have to in order to ensure safety. The Spanish flu flared up when people thought they were in the clear too fast and much of the resurgence can be tracked to one parade in Philadelphia. There's precedent for playing during a Pandemic, yes, but if you want to look at one of the bad outcomes, look at the 1919 Stanley Cup, where the flu ravaged the Montreal Canadiens, killing player Joe Hall 4 days after they canceled the deciding game, and manager George Kennedy two years later after never he never truly recovered, ending the year with no champion declared.

And interestingly, the Poyer extension may be the best example of why most of us fans are atypically hopeful right now. There's a very clear (appearance at least) of a plan, and of players who want to be there (although Spain is a great example of that too).