thebandit27

Obviously they'll be taking a QB at 1; most of us recognized that for quite a while. The post you responded to seemed to be refuting the idea that Cleveland loves the players that they believe will be there at 4 and won't consider moving down; that's why I wondered why you were so certain that they weren't posturing about the 4th pick

You might want to watch a bit more; I've done extensive breakdowns on the kid on this very board, and a lot of this just isn't supported by his tape IMO

Not sure how you can state that so definitively.

No, not at all. My point is that there's a fair chance that--assuming both NYG and Cleveland (4) are opposed to trading entirely--only 3 QBs go in the top 5, thus opening the door for Buffalo to trade up to 6 and get one of the Big 4.

I don't think that either the Giants or Browns are closed off to trading, but even if they are, that means that--at worst, 3 QBs go in the top 4. It also means that there's a fair chance that only 2 go in the top 4. If, like me, you believe in all of the top 4 guys, then that leaves the door open to get one of them at 6

I posted it for the benefit of anyone that suggests that they will either trade the pick or pick Barkley

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/30/hue-jackson-has-dreams-of-what-to-do-with-no-4/ “Obviously, as you guys have already pegged it, we’re taking a quarterback, and then here comes the No. 4 pick,”

How do you search the archives? Every time I try a search it comes back with zero results, even though I know for a fact that the search term has occurred many times

Model projection number 2 basically agrees with my rankings: top 4 are Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen (although I have it Rosen-Mayfield-Darnold-Allen) and then a gap to Jackson Side note: lots of people in this thread are off the rails with their Allen analysis.

Among others already mentioned... Bunmi Rotimi - DE/Old Dominion John Franklin-Myers - DE/Stephen F. Austin Dorian O'Daniel - LB/Clemson Jordan Smallwood - WR/Oklahoma Kylie Fitts - EDGE/Utah Genard Avery - LB/Memphis

Have you watched him extensively? A lot of what you're saying isn't true.

I think ESB ends up Day 2...too much talent to drop to day 3

For anyone that wants to read into measureables, one of his top comparables on mockdraftable was Stephon Gilmore at 81.1%...but his next closest comparable, at 80.5%, is Louisville's Jaire Alexander...who would be a great pick at 22 overall...

Hopefully he's a better scheme fit here than he was his last 2 seasons in KC Either way, it's another NFL body at a position where the team really lacks depth, so that's good

I have him as a Day 2 guy

Multiple; mostly engineering and marketing, but I'm also a power lifter

First time I took it I got a 44

A 4.51 speed guy? That's frightening Fair chance that he's our new Brandon Tate though

This pleases me

I have Washington as a top-60 pick, Ateman is more of a fringe Day 2 guy for me. I do think Washington's catch radius helped Rudolph a bit, as I really don't like his boundary throws much at all.

He was pretty small and slight coming out of high school--6'3" and 180 lbs; from a small part of the country with little exposure, he simply slipped past the scouts. In fact, it took a family member connection to even get him into a community college as a freshman QB. Not really; each of the top-5 all kind of stand on their own IMO

My comment about the talent disparity applies more to whether it was Allen himself that was overmatched in the Iowa game or his supporting cast. As for Lamar, well, I called out his receivers pretty bad in my comments, but I don't think there's anywhere near the disparity between Louisville's talent level and FSU's as there is between Wyoming and Iowa.

I would argue that none of the games I post in this thread are their best games. I try to post a game that works well as a "storyboard" presentation; one that typifies what you see from the player on any given day.

I decided to include my notes on the Iowa game for Josh Allen, since it was easily his biggest test as a college QB. I encourage everyone to watch the video first, before you read my comments, and decide if you believe that you see a QB that is overmatched by his big-time opponent. Josh Allen Game selected: @ Iowa Reason: facing 10th-ranked pass defense in FBS (based on YPA allowed) Notes (timestamp correlates to start of play): 0:13 trying to make a play, he forces this one to a covered receiver; note that it’s an accurate throw to the boundary 0:21 quick, accurate boundary throw 0:36 I both love and hate this play: Allen gets it out quickly and accurately for a take-what-they-give-you 3rd down completion, but it’s not the best RAC opportunity. I’d love to have an All-22 view to see if either his 2 or 3 read came clear in another second. 1:00 are you kidding me with that throw? That’s beautiful…but does it get picked in the NFL? 1:30 this is a terrific job of finding a safe spot to throw from while under pressure; the throw ends up sailing too far, which is understandable, but it’s quite an effort to make a smart, safe play 1:46 amazing job getting away, now he needs to learn when to throw it away Side note Josey Jewell is everywhere These next 3 plays are going to show you a lot about the level of competition Allen is playing with versus what he’s facing. Just watch and see. 2:45 great play fake, and look at the perfect lower-body mechanics on the plant, drive, and throw 3:17 Pause. We’re halfway through this video breakdown…anyone see any accuracy issues thus far? Okay, now hit play: you’re about to see your first accuracy issue. How does it happen? He rushes a boundary throw, doesn’t set his feet, and it sails high. What happens on the following pass play? He takes the extra nanosecond and delivers a perfect boundary throw for a first down 3:31 this is a drop, and a bad one at a pretty important juncture; so is the next play for that matter 3:55 Accuracy issue? What happens? Allen rushes the throw, failing to set his feet, and the ball sails high. Picking up on a theme here? 4:01 Watch, hold breath, be amazed, then cry. Listen kid, you’re playing in the biggest game of your life, and your QB just made an amazing play; bail him out by not dropping a perfectly thrown ball, would ya? 4:22 misfires wide; what happened? Unstable base; another lower-body issue…but as has become pretty commonplace for Allen, he comes back with a bullet for a first down on the following play 4:44 this is NFL QB play right here. Great job manipulating the secondary and finishing with a great throw 5:00 my biggest beef with Allen, as I’ve said, is that he tries to do too much. He trusts his arm way too much on this play, and it ends up biting him. Now where have I seen that before? http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80c23806/WK-9-Can-t-Miss-Play-Going-going-Greer 5:38 after a couple of rushed throws, he calms himself down and hits a 3rd down conversion 6:00 again, he trusts his arm too much and thinks he can gun this one in there 6:29 when you’re stumbling backward, it’s a bad idea to attempt to complete a screen pass over your OLmen…again, trying to do too much Okay, we’re done. What did you see? A guy that was overmatched and couldn’t’ hack it against a tough opponent? A guy with too many inaccurate passes to play full-time on Sundays? That’s not what I saw. I saw a guy that hung in there against a very tough opponent, despite his team being overmatched, and made some great throws. I wanted to put this game tape out here to see if what Allen does well held up against Iowa, and it did. I also wanted to see if his issues were exacerbated to the extreme, because if he fails in the NFL, that’ll be what does him in. Now, in my opinion, his tendencies to do too much and get sloppy with his lower body when rushing throws did indeed show up. Were they exacerbated to an extreme? Not in my opinion, and that tells me that he’s got the potential to overcome them even if they don’t get fixed immediately. Do they need to get fixed for him to be a long-term solution at QB? Yes. Will those issues doom him in the short-term? I don’t believe so.

Thanks for all the nice comments everyone I'll try to add a few others in the next couple of days