thebandit27

I don't disagree, but glossing over the fact that Glenn was traded in order to acquire a QB was a massive oversight. We found Glenn with a 2nd rounder, Dawkins with a 2nd rounder, and Peters as a UDFA. Finding a LT shouldn't be a heavy lift is all.

Did Cordy Glenn help Cincinnati all that much? I know Philly won a super bowl without Peters. Yes, OL is important, but no single OL position is anywhere near as important as QB, so trading Glenn makes sense if it means filling the most important position in sports for a decade.

The Bills

FWIW, the organization really liked Donovan Smith back in 2015. He's a FA left tackle

If he moves, it should be to LG.

I'll tell you in 2-1/3 months... I just haven't been through the video enough yet

No surprise. They tried really hard to get him 10 years ago and he wouldn't bite. He and Gruden must see eye to eye or else he wouldn't have made the move. On the plus side, this means more Daniel Jeremiah during draft season, which makes me happy. Unless DJ takes a job, which he's turned down all interviews for in the past because he doesn't want to take time away from family and efforts into his church.

My pre-draft rankings were: 1A - Rosen 1B - Mayfield 3 - Darnold 4 - Allen 5 - Jackson I may have time at some point this offseason to chart their pro games to see if anything changes, but if I were inclined to change things I'd probably drop Rosen to 3 based on what we saw.

Tell ya what I liked about Allen's game today: it was his first game facing a team for the 2nd time, and he lead the offense to 42 points. You always want to know how a QB will perform once coordinators have tape on him, so while it's a minuscule sample space, it's an encouraging sign

His TD:TO ratio isn't close to Kizer's. Kizer's was nearly 1:2. And if you re-read your last paragraph, you'll notice that you're disproving your own point. If Allen's turnover rate is so poor, and this team doesn't win when they turn the ball over, then why was the team 5-5 in games that Allen started and finished? Call me crazy, but 5-6 as a starter with 18 TDs and 20 turnovers looks a heckuva lot better than 0-15 as a starter with 16 TDs and 31 turnovers, but you do you man.

They took a hard run at him 10 years ago and didn't land him. The $$ would have to be HUGE.

lOoKeD tHe sAmE aS hE dId aT wYoMiNg

Nope Believe it or not, some people actually don't like those kinds of players. The examples that I always use are Matt Barnaby and Derek Roy as Sabres--couldn't stand them and glad they left. There's nothing admirable about playing the scum bag role.

I can find a slot receiver anywhere. And based on how much NE has paid rat boy, they agree.

Nope. I'd rather have Burfict. Seriously. I have no interest in either guy, but if you held a gun to my head I'd pick Vontaze 100 times out of 100. I have a much better shot at controlling his scum baggery--which has been checked by the league via suspensions--than Edelman, who can't help himself and does it weekly without repercussion. And 1000% improvement from an easily replaceable slot receiver? That's utter nonsense.

Edelman is a total scumbag. He's a dirtier player than Burfict. He takes cheap shots every game. Every single one. And he talks more crap than anyone else in the league. Yet somehow it's never unsportsmanlike conduct when he does it, but respond with an F bomb and you get 15 yards. At least with Burfict you know you're getting a guy that'll do a few stupid things every other game or so. Edelman is worse: the kind of rat boy punk who does it every chance he gets because he knows he won't get penalized or suspended. He's a dirtbag; plain and simple, and I'm not surprised that he gets defended by the same group of fans that justify the actions of guys like Marchand and Bird in their other sports teams. Call it straight: he deserves a suspension for repeatedly taking cheap shots at other players, but he'll never get one, and it's inexcusable.

Yes...and I don't need to write a novella to do so Allen's TD:TO ratio is 13:19 and he's 4-6 as a starter Kizer's TD:TO ratio was 16:31 and he was 0-15 as a starter Not. Even. Close. Happy New Year to you as well

Well there's an important lesson in Trubisky's case: take a QB that didn't play as well as allen as a rookie, surround him with speedy playmakers in an offense run by an innovative play caller and great things can happen

I was close to understanding your point of view until that last bit about Allen being close to Kizer--there's no comparison. Kizer was the winning QB zero times and turned the ball over at a far greater frequency. He also didn't make anywhere near as many plays as Allen.

I haven't looked, but I'd be interested in knowing if any other QB has produced anywhere near the same percentage of his team's offensive yards and first downs as Allen. To me, that's the biggest indicator that Allen is out there doing it on his own more so than any other QB right now.

So, any word on this from @PatsFanNH, @Chris66, or @Cmdjr85 ? The guy is the biggest cheap shot artist in the league. A scum bag. It's shameful that he's in the NFL. I'd rather have Burfict on my team. Case closed.

Who is saying that? The only people that seem to be drawling conclusions are the folks that have declared him a guaranteed bust

If his point were about seeking consistency, then I'd have accepted his argument. It wasn't. It was an arbitrary line drawn in the sand and set as a hit-it-or-he's-a-bust benchmark, which is silly. As you know, I admire folks like yourself that are willing to objectively evaluate Allen despite not liking him as a prospect. Just understand that you're a bit of a white elephant in that regard

That's kind of what he does Dirtiest player in the game

Actually, you said he'd be terrible. You said he'd be the same guy as he was at Wyoming. He's neither of those things. You also call him the worst starting QB in the league as though it's a fact and not an opinion. You're either incapable of discerning opinion from fact, or you truly are so invested in your evaluation that you won't consider the idea that you could be wrong. If Allen were anywhere near as bad as you say, he'd be out of the league by now. Easily. Instead, he's actually outperformed the rookie efforts of guys like Jared Goff and Mitchell Trubiksy. But don't let that get in the way of crowning yourself right. Allen has looked like a rookie--which makes sense. So have Rosen and Darnold and Jackson (and Mayfield at times). So let's see here: Allen is somehow the same guy as he was at Wyoming, but he also performed better as a rookie than guys that were supposedly better than him in college. Those two ideas are not in concert with each other