Thurman#1

Nor was Peyton Manning. No such thing as a lock. It wouldn't be a wild gamble whatsoever. It would be a thoughtful, intelligent, considered gamble. If they do it. My guess is they will if they can, if the one or two guys that they are - you'd have to guess - specifically interested in are available. They likely got those picks specifically to get a QB if the situation was right. They won't be bankrupting their future even if they're wrong.

Nice post.

While some of your arguments make a lot of sense, Daboll isn't thought of as a bad OC choice. Just the opposite, he has a terrific reputation as a smart guy with success in a lot of places, including Alabama and New England. Nobody's going to hold a bad year in KC with Matt Cassel as the QB against him. Nobody. Our bridge QB will likely be signed before the draft. He won't know if or when we will draft someone. And teams that will bring him in could all draft someone. The bottom line is this, it'll depend where the chips fall. There are so probably gonna be so many good FA QBs available this year after Minny makes their decisions that it's an unusual year. There isn't usually a Cousins out there for FA QBs to compete against, nor such a number of good draft QBs that teams like the Giants, Denver, Cleveland etc. might or might not be committed to. It's gonna be a bit of a tough year for FAs, even pretty good ones. They're not gonna be able to sit back and take only the best opportunities. And the problem with Tyrod is he isn't a good bridge. He just isn't. A good bridge QB allows you to input the offense you want to run after the bridge guy is gone. Tyrod doesn't do that as shown by the tidal wave of "we need to change the offense to fit Tyrod's skills" choruses last year. That's not who you want as a bridge. As a backup or a team that believes in him as a longer-term starter, Tyrod's style would be a good match. As a bridge, no. As a bridge on a team that wants to run a system that requires a guy who can throw from the pocket, emphatically absolutely decisively no. The last thing you want is a guy who'll cause you to spend $23 mill in cap for one year's service and then make you change the playbook if you expect him to have success. The very last thing. You may well be right that we end up with a cheap bridge guy rather than an expensive one. Very possible. But it could also happen the other way.

Love seeing that great old memory again. But yeah, the Sammy thing was a huge failure. I guess you can argue that the shot wasn't the miss, the assist (the trade) was. Fair enough. But overall a huge failure. Not a lot of question about that at this point.

We have a large amount of cap space in 2019 largely because we don't have anybody really under contract. Once we start to construct a team we'll see what our space actually looks like. Right now we have no idea. It's like the guy in October saying "Man, my budget for next year looks fantastic. I haven't committed to spending almost anything. I'm gonna save a ton, ignoring the fact that his present lease runs out in December, he hasn't got a place to live, a car, any insurance ... Sometimes a lot of future cap space is a fantastic thing. Other times it just means you haven't begun to make commitments to people yet. That's what it means for us. Leaving off guys like Tyrod and Wood, who are still listed but will actually be gone, here's what we have under contract: Cordy Glenn Jerry Hughes McCoy Charles Clay Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Shaq Lawson Hauschka Tre White Patrick DiMarco Ducasse Andre Holmes Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Adolphus Washington Matt Milano Nathan Peterman That's not the core of a team, it just isn't. Don't get me wrong, there are a few more but the guys above are the ones who we'll be building around. For the record, here are the rest: Marcus Murphy, Tanner Vallejo, Keith Towbridge, Breon Borders, Nordly Capi, Conor McDermott, Brandon Reilly, De'Ondre Wesley, Xavier Woodson-Luster, Cory Carter, Jason Croom, Malachi Dupre, Aaron Green, Rickey Hatley, Josh James, Marquavius Lewis and Adam Redmond. So if you look at this whole group, do you see an o-line? A D-line? An LB corps? A QB? WRs? I certainly see our starting safeties and maybe a TE if they continue with mostly a one-TE attack, if they stay healthy, but beyond that? The reason we have a lot of space is because we don't have a team yet for that year. You look at who Philly already has under contract for 2019 and you're like, dang, that's a very good team already. Not us. We just don't know who we'll be.

Yup. But that's what low-cost FA is for. Fill the holes with cheap to mid-priced journeymen. Then build through the draft. Personally, I don't expect much next year. We're not likely to get so lucky with an easy schedule and the tough teams all being faced during the worst streaks of their seasons. I don't see success next year. Just a chance to continue putting together the team that should start to look good soon.

Yeah, you were indeed putting out a dumb stat for my arse, a completely irrelevant stat which had zero to do with anything I'd said. You misread my post, got irritated, refused to admit it and now your panties are so wadded up you're discussing me with other people and actually agreeing with Transplant. I've said again and again i"m not especially a Siemian fan. Just think in many ways he's a better option than Tyrod, as are many others. You just misread me and now your ego's all involved. Fine, guess I know who you are now.

The "cap impact" of having a guy is how much he costs. Period. What you're talking about doesn't have a one-word name. It's the cap impact of keeping him over letting him go. "Cap difference," maybe, something like that. Tyrod's cap impact, if they keep him for 2018, will be $23 mill. And the cap impact of keeping Tyrod over letting him go, the number you're referring to is still far far too high. Asked for what a QB needed to do to be his QB, McD said one thing. Not a list of many. One. You've got to be able to throw from the pocket. They gave Tyrod a chance and he proved he couldn't. So yeah, the cap impact of keeping him is too high for a guy who doesn't meet the one requirement they have. One requirement. Oh, and you're assuming - completely wrongly - that because that's what Siemian is now he can't get a lot better. He can. He might. Plenty of guys do around their fourth year. I agree he'd be a downgrade from Taylor but sometimes downgrades are OK. A down grade from sub-mediocre to even further sub-mediocre isn't going to make a big difference. What really is going to make a big difference is the probably $10 mill difference in their salaries. Oh, and first, if you don't think there's a pretty decent chance that "we'll pay the bonus" thing is to try to get teams to trade before the deadline, we'll have to disagree. I agree I didn't think of the possibility that they'd try to "buy" a draft pick by paying the $6 mill in hopes that someone would trade after. No question paying that bonus makes him a far more desirable trade target. IMHO the chances of Tyrod being on our roster this year have gone up, a very small amount. It could easily be to create demand, but who knows. If he's actually gets the bonus the Bills will have the upper hand in trade talks. HIs value might go up a bit as well. It was an interesting move.

Let me say this more clearly the second time around. Did I say that I am dying to get Siemian? Or that he's the best option? Or anything like that? You responded as if I said something I simply never did. Again, reading's your friend.

Reading is your friend.

Know who's "a momentary placeholder at best"? Tyrod. Siemian on the other hand is young enough that he might actually improve. We know what Tyrod is. Agreed Siemian isn't exceptional at all, but he's a third-year guy, Siemian might get better. Here's the other thing. Tyrod's cap impact for one year of play in 2018: $23 million in 2018 and 2019. Ridiculously overpriced. Siemian's cap impact for one year of play in 2018: much much much less. We could probably get him for his real value, unlike Tyrod. I'm no big Siemian fan. But he's someone a team will bring in with a very reasonable hope of making him into a decent backup or hoping to get lucky and see great improvement. I wouldn't mind us doing that, though I doubt we would.

Pass on the keep Tyrod part. Bring in an FA QB who fits the system so everyone can work in the system they want to run, not to mention because $23 mill in cap for one year of Tyrod (yup, there'll be dead money after he leaves next year if he is on the roster in 2018) is insane. But other than that, yeah, you have to suffer some pain to get a highly ranked guy. I think you're confusing suffering and future suffering, at least in the sense he was referring to. Sure trading away picks is suffering. It means you can't pick some guys you'd absolutely love to get. In the same way that spending a lot of money when you have a very limited supply is suffering, so is trading away a bunch of picks. The pain of sacrifice. But yeah, of course you're right that sometimes trading away those picks makes you happy in the long run, same as spending a lot of money might buy you something you end up really happy with. This thread appears to have gotten a little wacky but his OP is correct. Yeah, you gotta suffer one way or the other if you want to get a highly ranked QB. And getting one of those guys is the best way to maximize your chances of getting a very good QB. It's not the only way, but it's certainly the best chance.

I get why people wouldn't want him. But there's a very legit argument either way. He's had three years in the league. The light could still turn on. Not saying it will, but it's still well within the time when that happens with young QB with fair regularity.

Is there any chance it's a fake account? Or is this an account that's been around for a long time and is dependable? I kinda hope it's a fake. Nutty, otherwise.

We've got a reasonable shot up to #4 or #5. Any of the QBs could be in play. The likelihood is that two will be gone but it could be one. No way to be sure which one. Which cerebral pocket passer have we got a real shot to get? All of them. Some more likely than others, but Mayfield and maybe Cousins would likely be available. Throw in next year's number one and we might even trade up to #2. Pretty much anything could happen. Yeah, it's likely Darold or Rosen will be gone, but Kiper has Allen as #1 and Mayock has him as the #2 QB. You just don't know. If we're willing to make a really strong move up, we could get nearly any of them. The question is whether we're willing to make that strong move or pay that salary for Cousins. If you've got the money, a trip to Belize and a pony aren't all that crazy a dream. The Bills have the money, or the capital anyway.

"If you follow the NFL closely, and you were born before yesterday, you probably know that teams and agents alike treat the rules governing free agency like glorified yellow lights. What you might not know is to what degree everyone has their foot on the gas in advance of being able to legally contact the proverbial belles of the ball." Nice. Shows the whole "he couldn't know if anyone was interested, or how much" thing is nonsense. An interesting look behind the scenes.

Oh, man, Tasker's about to cough his lungs up. Get that guy some Mucinex and Dr. Halls.

Doubt he, or anybody, really, monitors us. Do you get much when you monitor the Jets or Fins or Pats boards? I've tried it a few times and didn't get much. In any case, I like Barnwell a lot generally, a very smart guy, but yeah, not a lot new here. The Preston Brown thing is interesting, maybe. The thoughts here have been that we need more speed and that that means that Preston should go. That's not a bad take, but the opposite is just as reasonable. I think his mentioning of Henne and Moore is kind of interesting as well. But yeah, fair enough, no hot takes here at all. Not news. Should it have been? He's doing a series and one on every team. Should he be expected to have news on each one? No, they could bring in one and keep Peterman. They may like him more than you do. My guess is that they're gonna keep three, either on the roster or using the practice squad. Just a guess, obviously, but certainly possible.

Foles didn't beat Brady in the Super Bowl. What happened was the Philadelphia Eagles beat the New England Patriots. The problem with Foles has always been that if he has time and space he can be very very good but if he's rushed and throwing "off-platform" as the new buzzword goes, he's not good. In the Super Bowl the excellent Eagles line and the poor Pats pass rush had him standing back there with all the time in the world. He was really good, but that could have been another story if the Pats had had a pass rush.

He hasn't got a problem with lack of leadership. Find a place where his high school or college coaches or teammates have complained. Yeah, he's outspoken. And some teams might not want that. But that doesn't equal a lack of leadership.

Interesting. PR is a curse on society.

But the reason people are saying that, I think, is because they have some trust in OBD to correctly identify a guy who would fit the system and be good enough to thrive in it. Not that they believe necessarily that all four are going to be franchise guys.

That's the thing, Hapless. That 2004 draft is the one this is being compared to. It's better than the past four or five, a lot better. And all of those guys had flags. Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger. All of them had red flags. Everyone does, every year. You're quite right that Losman had more. But there was a ton of ink spent on how Roethlisberger had played at a very low level school at Miami of Ohio and you didn't know what he would do against real competition. Rivers couldn't run, had footwork issues, had a long slow delivery, his deep balls have problems with sailing and overthrows ... it just goes on and on. Everyone has issues. Everyone. And by the way, it's a very reasonable possibility that Losman in the right circumstances might have become good. The Bills handled him very poorly. It was bad luck that he broke his leg but the year after that they should have had him compete with Bledsoe and keep developing if he lost that competition. They didn't. They gave him the starter job before the season, ready or not, and pissed off a lot of the vets. And then when he finally had a pretty good year in 2006 and looked ready to maybe break out ... they got rid of his OC and brought in a guy who decided to change the offense to a system that played not to his strengths but to his weaknesses, Steve Fairchild. He was never the same after that. Would he ever have been good? Dunno. But the Bills did a terrific job of minimizing the chances by handling him very poorly. Now, there's no way to know for sure if this class will be up there with 2004. There never is. Maybe you're right. Maybe there are two. But maybe three. Or four. Or zero. No way to be sure. They've got to do what teams that need a QB should always do. Scout the hell out of them and find the guys with the talent and the character and the ability to fit the system they want to use. Maybe there'll be two guys. Maybe three. Probably not all of them. But then you do all you can to get the best one for you and if that doesn't work out you try for the next. Stay away from the ones who wouldn't fit. Get one you believe in. By the way, I think your headline brought in a lot of opponents and arguments here. "Why we don't want to draft one of the top 4 QBs" sure sounds like you don't want to draft any of them, though from reading the rest of what you've written you don't actually feel that way. But that's how it read.

I strongly disagree. The Giants need to make their decision, Eli for another two or three years or draft a QB. If they do go with Eli, they need to spend every bit of draft and FA capital they have going for a championship in the time Eli is here. That would be my guess, personally, but I could easily see them going the other way and drafting a QB high instead and building for the future. They have got to either completely go for it in the short window Eli provides (and think of the disaster it was for them last year benching Eli), or build for the long-term with a new pick.

When did Nix do anything like that? He didn't. Pretty much what he did was build a terrific defense, but not ever get a good QB or successor at GM. Anyway, while getting an RB early can be sensible in a few situations, we aren't in any of those kinds of spots. And trading up to do so ... insane in any situation at this point. I think this guy was doing a pretty solid job of trolling. Lots of takers, including me, really.