Mark80

Dinosaurs.

If we hired Lovie Smith we would have had a coach that had one of the most talented defenses in the league in the last decade and had one of the most talented offenses this year (and ever since they got Cutler) and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH THEM! One Super Bowl loss with all that talent and not even the playoffs this year. These coaches got fired for a reason, just like teams let backup QBs go for a reason, they are not SB cailbre talent. Plain and simple. Much happier about this decision than Smith or any Arizona coach.

Thought this was going to be a thread started on the first drive saying that we should trade for him. I was ready for a good laugh. What a let down.

I'll preface this by saying I am a ND fan, not die hard, but I root for them over all other college programs in football. ND should have lost 3 games this season; Pittsburgh, Stanford, and I believe they would have lost to USC had Barkely been playing. They took a schedule that looked very tough in the beginning of the season and squeeked by undefeated. Heck, even Purdue, BYU, and Michigan were all withing one score of beating them. None of those teams (except Stanford) were impressive this season at all. In reality there are probably a number of teams from the SEC, Pac 10, or Big 12 that could have ran that schedule (with more convincing results). However, there is something to be said about the fact that they did win all of those games. I'll be curious to see how Monday turns out. I have a feeling that Alabama is going to absolutely dominate the game, should they prove me wrong and win (or play with them all game), I will be much more impressed with Kelly than I am at this point.

Posters on the board are so funny. Just because a guy plays 3-4 OLB in college means he must be only good at 3-4 in the NFL? Just because a guy is a USC quartaback he must be as bad as Sanchez and Leinart? Just because a guy had a decent year at Miami OH, he's the next coming of Roethlisberger? Do you guys actually think that Von Miller wouldn't be a great NFL 4/3 OLB? It seems that only 10-20% of the people here actually watch any college games at all. The rest are lemmings to ESPN analyst and unwarranted comparisons to other players. Jones is a phenom talent that has the talent to play 3-4 or 4-3 OLB. Just because he's been asked to rush the passer in college, doesn't mean he can't cover the pass in the NFL. A slight learning curver, sure but he has tremendous speed and makes plays all over the field. We would be very lucky to have him, no doubt. However, I'll grant the knoweldgable posters concern over the neck issues, worrisome indeed.

Exactly, it's a wash between those 3 and Brees isn't that far behind.

Finally someone with a bit of sense discussing draft options. That is, until I read that bit regarding Klein. His skills will not transfer to the NFL and he'll be a 4th rounder at best (and probably not even drafted with expectations of playing QB at all). Too bad though, serious leadership skills and heart, just not the arm. While I'd be shocked to see Te'o go #1, I would also be shocked to see him make it to #8. Jones, on the other hand, very well may be there and we should jump all over it if he is. Hopefully his previous neck issues scare some teams off. If Eifert is stil there in the second round then that would be a fantastic selection for us if Murray comes out and is gone (I suspect both will be true). Other than that, I'm a huge proponent of getting Murray or Jones one way or another in this years draft. I feel that both are severly underrated at this point and all other QBs (namely Smith, Wilson, Glennon, Dysert) are severely overrated while Barkely is rated accurately but won't be a good fit with our culture or climate and I don't know enough about Boyd to reneder a fair decision on him as of yet.

Assuming Boyd and Murray come out, here is the order of how I believe the most prominent QBs will be drafted: 1. Smith 2. Murray 3. Wilson 4. Barkley 5. Glennon 6. Jones 7. Boyd 8. Bray 9. Dysert 10. Nassib 11. Manuel Here's how succesful I believe they would be in the NFL 1. Murray 2. Jones 3. Boyd 4. Barkley 5. Wilson 6. Smith 7. Glennon 8. Nassib 9. Dysert 10. Bray 11. Manuel Murray, Jones, and Boyd will be the only ones to have any significant impact. The rest will either never become a starter or be unsuccessful. Just my opinion.

Why does poster after poster find it necessary to compare QBs to their alma mater counterparts? Just because the guy went to the same school as Roethlisberger, does not make him Big Ben. Just because Barkley went to USC does not mean that he is the same QB as Leinert, Sanchez, Palmer, etc. Big Ben threw for 4,500 yards and 37 TDs his final year at Miami on route to a 13-1 record his final (Jr.) year. Dysert has thrown for 3,500 and 25 TDs (while throwing more INTs) in his SR season with a 4-8 record including a loss to UB. I don't care who else is on your team, if you're a QB in the MAC and only win 4 games as a SR you are not an NFL quality QB. Can we start using our heads a little please.

Don't buy that at all. He's thrown a ton of fantastic deep balls and tight space balls this season. He was dropping dimes to Lee all year long. I'd say his issues are more short/mid range accuracy and some questionable decision making. I'd rather have a hard working, blue collar type guy here than Barkely. But make no mistake, the kid has a ton of talent.

That looked awesome.

They may say that they really like playing for Chan/Nix, but it doesn't show on the field (for many players at least). Quite simply, the team gave up in the Seattle game and looked terrible vs Miami as well. They can love him all they want, if he can't get it done on the field and motivate/coach his players up, he should be gone.

I just don't see any team taking more than one QB in Rounds 1-3. Not that I wouldn't be for it. Quite simply, the more QBs selected the better chance of finding that "franchise" guy. I just don't know of any occasion when it's been done and don't think any GM would have the balls to do it. However, trading down for a 1st and 2nd would be a great move in this draft for sure.

Vick, Cowher, Reid, Fewell??? Funniest thing I've read in a long time. Nice Trolling.

Firm believer that he will have the best NFL career out of all the 2013 QB draftees (do like Geno a lot as well though and would be a proponent of trading up for him, but don't see KC letting that happen). As I've posted numerous times, WR/LB 1st, Jones with 2nd pick (either trading up or taking in 2nd round, whatever is necessary), and WR/LB 3rd (whichever we didn't get in 1st). Would also be very excited to have another QB in the 4th (maybe a Nassib or Dysert type). Tough to project where QBs are going at this point. Right now it seems that Smith is the only 1st round lock. I've seen Jones going anywhere from 1st round to 4th round. Combine and other workouts are going to be more important this offseason than any other in a long long time. Should be interesting.

Yeah, he and Cal's Keenan Allen appear to be the top 2 WRs in the draft at this point. Many expected Williams' production to decrease this year with the loss of RGIII and Kendal Wright taking some of the coverage off of him, but he killed it this year, exceeding expectations by a mile. I think we will be drafting too high to take him in the 1st and he'll be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. So if we can move in either direction to pick in the teens (probably early teens) to snag him up, he would be a solid pick. Come draft day he very well may be a 8-12 pick. It's going to come down to Allen, Te'o, Williams, and Jarvis Jones in my opinion in the first. Hopefully Landry Jones in the 2nd and a WR/LB (that we didn't get in the first) in the 3rd if we don't make any moves. Wouldn't be surprised for a trade up back into the 1st for Glennon though, but I'm not sold on him at all.

Terrance Williams of Baylor will be one of the top WRs picked as well. No "stud" this year though by most accounts and the best WR in the country, Marqise Lee of USC is not draft eligible this year. However, he lacks the size of CJ Jr., Julio Jones, AJ Green, which may affect his draft position but the dude gets open and makes tremendous plays.

Name a single elite NFL quarterback that didn't have numerous multiple loss seasons in college? Just one. No? Didn't think so. Rodgers, no; Brady, no; Brees, no; Eli, no; Peyton, no; Ryan, no. Now, unless you're considering Andy Dalton an Elite QB that we should be shooting for (with 0 losses Senior year and one loss Junior year) your aguement carries no merit whatsoever. Personally, I'd like to shoot a bit higher than Andy Dalton, but that's just me. Landy Jones will be the best NFL QB out of this class and we would be very fortunate to get him. As far as Klien goes, he does not have an NFL arm, plain and simple. He's been talked about more as a TE type player in the NFL over a QB. Just enough talent coupled with tremendous heart and leadership ability to be a great college player, but not enough talent to succed in the NFL, which sucks.

You're the man. I'm done bantering with you. You're not worth my time. You're cleary a far superior intellect and my efforts are futile. Congratulations. I'll remember that next time you post another ridiculous idea that makes no sense considering the reality of a situation and take the time to try and explain why in a courteous, constructive manner. Guess you missed the post of mine you quoted hours ago when I clearly stated that I was slightly mistaken in that the team that he was traded to would have to pay at least the league minimum salary and it would come out of the Jets money, but I guess it's easy to have selective reading when you're concentrating so hard on being a D.B.. Peace.

It says AT LEAST $13.9 M. And even that number seems to be completely arbitrary on the authors part assuming a trading partner would take on $5M of the salary. If you read the entire article, you'll see what I'm talking about. I don't understand why you must be so stubborn on this. Also, it is against salary cap rules to agree to any cut on GAURANTEED money. That's why it's called GAURANTEED money, because it's GAURANTEED.

Not really sure if a deal must require a pick or player, but I would think that they could trade for cash, sure. I know they do it in baseball all the time.

OK, believe what you want, but that's the way it is. I think you're missing the distinction between the gauranteed Salary and a normal Salary number on the cap. If his 2013 salary was not gauranteed it would only be a $9M cap hit and the new team would be responsible for a 2013 salary, but as it stands, the Jets are responsible since they gauranteed it and anything else is completely seperate (and optional to that new team if they want to restructure/redo his deal). Edit: Or maybe you're confusing the Trade with the Cut. If traded the Jets contract is still valid and the Jets would be paying his entire salary without a new deal done. If cut, the new team who signs him will have their own deal with thim that they would be paying for, but the Jets are still on the hook for the $8M salary they gauranteed him and he's getting a double dip in the cookie jar then. I'll correct myself slightly though, the new team would have to agree to pay him at least league minimum if acquired in a trade which would come out of what the Jets are paying him. Maybe this article can articulate it better than I can: http://nesn.com/2012...re-2013-season/

Because the Jets are stupid and garuanteed his Salary on top of his signing bonus which is always gauranteed. It is something that is very rarely done and a pretty moronic move in this case. It was part of the extension contract agreement. The Jets will be paying the $8M salary regardless of where he plays and it will hit their cap. If another team signs him (or trades for him), they are only responsible for what they agree with him for which would be in addition to the $8M the Jets are paying him.

I'm pretty sure it works as follows; when you trade a player you are hit with a cap hit equal to the amount of gauranteed (the bonus money) left on the contract. So if you signed a 5 year $10M deal with $5M gauranteed and are traded or cut after year 2, you would be hit with a $3M cap penalty. Typically the gauranteed money is split evenly over the life of the deal. 2013 will be the final season of his rookie deal with the signing a bonus of $2.5 for that final year of the rookie deal and $1.6 from the new deal which overlaps. The next three years all have $1.6M signing bonus associated with the recent contract extention. So, he's owed $8.9 in bonus (gauranteed) money remaining that would be penalized if he's cut or traded. However, as part of his extention contract, Sanchez's SALARY for 2013 is also gauranteed at over $8M. The total cap hit for a trade/cut before June 1 is $17.1M. If cut after June 1 they can spread it over 2 years for a penalty of $12.35M in 2013 and $4.8M in 2014. Any team that receives him in a trade would not be accountable for any money in 2013 since the Jets have to pay that gauranteed Salary and signing bonus money. They would most likely resign him to a new deal though (he would agree since he would have no gauranteed money after 2013 and a cut from the new team would yield zero cap penalty to that team). Confusing, yes, but there you have it. Either way I love the disaster that franchise is in! And they are currently already $20M over the cap before having to deal with him!

To all the people on here saying that we'll never get a well known/good coach to come here; were you saying the same thing about Mario Williams last year too?