Never NEVER Give-up

Thanks for posting the replay. Before commenting here, I watched it again and looked at it frame-by-frame too. It looked like he was running to pick it up and then when Ware dove at it he was standing over it and couldn't flop on it - like he was caught in between. However, on bang-bang plays like this, you're going to look stupid if you over-think it and that's what I think he did. The correct play would have been to take one stride and dive on the ball. I am no big fan of his nor am I a hater. (I save that passion for the Bills.) I don't think he wussed out, just misplayed it and by doing so, looked awkward and silly. Way overblown. What's more interesting is peoples reactions - fans like us and the media types. My opinion is if you don't like Cam, you probably think he wussed out here.

PFF graded Evans at 75 and said, " You worry a little about the future of this unit at guard, where Jahri Evans (75.1) is more rep than production at this stage." As a comparison: PFF graded Richie Incognito 93. PFF graded John Miller 34.5

Good point on Wade - I wonder if he realizes he was the victim of both? Bill Walsh was quoted as saying the Bills lost SB 25 because of poor clock management. Whether he was specifically alluding to your point or was referring to the whole game I dunno. I will check with him when I die and go to heaven.

Per espn Insider: 19. Buffalo Bills (8-8)Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame Fighting Irish This selection comes with some risk because of Smith's knee injury, but if the Bills' doctors clear him, Smith would be a great pick. He took his game to the next level this past season and is an elite athlete. Smith has experience playing inside and outside and would fit well as the weakside off-ball linebacker in Rex Ryan's defense. Other options here: Alabama DT Jarran Reed and Ohio State OLB Darron Lee.

A couple of things: I know there was only 8 seconds left, but I believe it was 2nd or 3rd down after the spike - they should have gone for 1 more play - an out route to get another 5-10 yards. Looking at that kick again - in my mind it missed by a foot - seeing it again it almost looks like a shank! Amazing how memories change to protect one's psyche!

I agree with many of you. Here are my thoughts . . . Before many of the games, there was a feeling of dread because I felt one of the teams was over-matched. The Bills were never overmatched - they laid eggs, but were never overmatched! Minnesota Vikings (Outclassed by all except the Dolphins.) Superbowl IV (1970) lost 23-7 to KC Superbowl VIII (1974) lost 24-7 to Pitt Superbowl IX (1975) lost 16-6 to Miami Superbowl XI (1977) lost 32-14 to Oakland Denver Broncos (Completely overmatched in their last 3 losses. Lost a big 1st half lead and collapsed against Giants.) Superbowl XII (1978) lost 27-10 to Dallas Superbowl XXI (1987) lost 39-20 to Giants Superbowl XXII (1988) lost 42-10 to Washington Superbowl XXIV (1990) lost 55-10 to SF Superbowl XLVIII (2014) lost 43-8 to Seattle Patriots were never in SB XX (1986) vs the Bears who toyed with them and ran the Fridge and the score to 46-10 San Diego - in their only SB XXIX (1995) they lost badly to SF 49-26. I think they were spotted the 26 pts - I don't remember SD scoring. I just remember all the Steve Young TD passes. Raiders loss to Tampa in SB XXXVII (2003) 48-21. This was unfair, Gruden (just left the Raiders) andknew everything the Raiders would do on both sides of the ball. Giants loss to the Ravens in SB XXXV (2001) 34-7. DEE-fense. Giants never seemed to have a chance and when Dilfer started slinging TD's, you knew it was over. Buffalo's turnover fest vs Dallas and the game against Washington don't come close to those listed above.

Pssst, SF - Modkins is your guy!!

Exactly - that game was a microcosm of Fitz in Bflo. Teases you with gritty play and comes up short in the games you really gotta have. He's Mr. 8-8 and got lucky 2 more times this year to tease Jets fans. I love Fitz and he is the only reason I feel bad for the Jets missing the playoffs - but not at our expense! Without the turnovers, the Jets score once or twice - enough to win.

A SB here is possible because deals for them are made at the time stadiums are in the planning stages for construction. An open air SB in Buffalo will not happen - too likely that weather will have an impact. What I agree with and would like to see is a dome like AZ, but to maximize home field, keep it open during cold days and in playoffs. Close it for rain and the SB game itself.

I'm confused: Source: Terry Pegula gives Whaley, Ryan 1 year to fix Bills But he has Rex with 4 more years on a contract and supposedly is giving Whaley a multi year extension? For starters - that doesn't sound like Pegula. He is patient and the Bills are showing progress. A lot of injuries in 2015. We didn't know who the QB was until September. A lot of new guys and new schemes for everyone. Taking it all into consideration, maybe 8-8 wasn't so bad. Continuity breeds winning. We clearly haven't learned this (see the last 15 years!!). Keeping/promoting Brandon, signing Doug to 3-4 more years and signing Rex to a 5 year deal (last year) shows Pegula's patience and belief that he needs to establish continuity in the organization.

I agree. I have maintained this since Mularkey fired him & hired a crony from his Pittsburgh days. Rusty ultimately went to the Bears and their health immediately improved - I remember Urlacher commenting on it. (Reuben Brown was wrapping up his career there) Earlier today I saw a Ch 2 discussion between Stu Boyer & Vic Carucci (on-line). Stu brought up this point. Off course I agreed but shouted where was this astute journalistic observation and question back in the Mularkey days?!?!?! I was disappointed in Carucci's reply, basically poo-pooing the notion. I'd be interested if Reuben Brown would comment on this on one of his late night appearances on channel 2.

Only at an incentive-laden contract, # of snaps, catches, games, etc

We will simply & totally break their hearts if we beat the Jets. They think they're over the hump (beating the Pats). Now they just need to beat the Bills. I expect the Bills to be up for the game, but under-manned. I think the Bills really need Shady's shiftiness to win. He was the difference in first meeting.

Don't know who they are - but they are probably happy with 7-9 or 8-8. Doesn't really matter to them - the party's the thing!

I don't know. When I thought about all the off-season additions and looked at the 2015 schedule, playing the NFC East & AFC South (we were 4-4 against them), I was so high on the Bills I bought season tickets for $5,611 !! That's how sure I was that the Bills would have a good season. So to re-state - I don't know anything. We're good enough to beat anyone and bad enough to lose to anyone. That said, here's our 2016 Opponents (including the AFC Central & NFC West). (courtesy of Bflo Rumblings) Based on our uneven performance this year, I think next year will be tougher and I project our record to be around 7-9. Sickening!! Need the Defense to get stout. Confident TT will be better next year with a training camp where he is #1 throughout. If the Defense plays like most of us thought they would and TT/offense gets better, our upside would be more like 10-6 Still may not be good enough! Home games New England Patriots (12-3) New York Jets (10-5) Miami Dolphins (5-10) Pittsburgh Steelers (9-6) Cleveland Browns (3-12) Arizona Cardinals (13-2) San Francisco 49ers (4-11) Jacksonville Jaguars (5-10) Road games New England Patriots (12-3) New York Jets (10-5) Miami Dolphins (5-10) Cincinnati Bengals (11-3) Baltimore Ravens (5-10) St. Louis Rams (7-8) Seattle Seahawks (9-6) Oakland Raiders (7-8)

Oh they drank it - but they slobbered it all over themselves. Execution was not there. Togetherness was not there - that's on the players.

Well said!

They haven't called a players only meeting because there is no clear cut leader on the team. Fred was IT, but he's gone. Eric Wood is close, but he's not it. It should be obvious who the leader in the room is. Unfortunately for the Bills, there is no guy yet. Hopefully someone will ascend to this position, until then, we'll have pockets of togetherness led by guys like Wood. But until there's a clear-cut guy who's the leader, the Bills will struggle. Hopefully the adversity known as the "2015 season" will be this team's "Bickering Bills" moment - when Jim Kelly's Bills turned their fortunes around.

Well rounded group: Polian the administrator 2 unemployed OC's 1 unemployed DC (Swartz) A WR An Official (Ref)

(Agreed. Comment on your 2nd line) I'm sick about the D. Rex is hell bent on running HIS D. Nevermind that Pettine and Swartz BOTH took what they had and made them into good defenses. (Pettine's D had trouble w/the run but handled the pass well. Swartz corrected the Run D and maintained the Pass D and pass rush.) Ryan is going to swap out pieces (Mario, LB's) and bring in pieces that better fit his scheme - that's great for NEXT year, but leaves the D as underwhelming this year. (Any D that has Mario & Dareus dropping into coverage is at best over-thinking and at worst just dumb!) It's on Rex if we don't make the playoffs. He is being foolish and stubborn. He's got the horses, he should let'em run! It's as if he prefers to lose if he cannot win with his defense. The only game he had a real Defensive Game Plan for was the 2nd Pat's game. He said that would be our D going forward. He terrorized Brady in game 2. Then he laid off Alex Smith and we lost to the Chiefs. I don't get it and I don't get why Rex doens't see this!!!! Can he possibly be THAT stubborn! He's coaching stupid - IMO! I hope we win 4 in a row, but we haven't won more than 2 in a row all year. Sure our heads tell us we c/should win the next 4, but if Rex lets the QB's stand back there all day, he'll find a way to split the next 4 games. (A safer bet I'd say.) I hate to say it, but this is probably a big part in why he's no longer in NY. But I'm a Bills Fan and still hopeful - Go Bills!!!

Whaley went out and got him at Rex's request. There was competition for him and to discredit Whaley's involvement is a show of ignorance. Nix released Fitz and brought EJ in. (Tuel & Thad Lewis were also here.) Once Whaley took over, he signed Orton and released Lewis & Tuel. Whaley also brought in the following for the coaches to see: Kevin Kolb, Matt Leinhart, Vince Young, Alex Tanney, Pat White, Dennis Dixon, Tarvaris Jackson, Kenny Guiton, Jordon Palmer, Matt Flynn, Matt Simms, Matt Cassel, Josh Johnson. He has done everything he could do at the QB position - he's brought in a pool of guys for the coaches to choose from (Marone & Rex). What Whaley hasn't had is the luxury of a #1 or #2 overall pick in a draft stocked with bona-fide QB's, so he's done the next best thing - go out and bring in as many as possible and let your talent evaluators (coaches) pick the ones they want to go with. That and his last 2 drafts (below) show he can pick quality football players. 2015: Darby - Miller - Karlos Williams - Steward - O'Leary - Dezmin Lewis (Only Lewis won't get a look-see duing the 2015 season) 2014: Watkins - Kouandjio - Preston Brown - Cockrell - Richardson - Randell Johnson - Henderson (Cockrell was cut in '15. Jury is still out on OL's Cyrus and Cyril, =though they seem to bring depth - quality as of yet unknown.) Whaley also traded for Jerry Hughes, McCoy and brought in Incognito and Harvin, If the Bills want to continue in the mediocrity of the last 15 years, they should do what they always do - blow it up and start over every 2-3 years! We need the continuity both Whaley & Rex can bring. The recent pot-stirring by Vic Carucci only heightens our collective anxiety. The Pegula's aren't fools - so that tells me they'll extend Whaley at the end of the season.

It would be fitting if we made it to Superbowl 50. Perhaps poetic. Let's say we go every 25 years . . . Superbowl 25, 50, 75, etc. We just need to sprinkle-in a few more berths in between those milestone games. Go Bills!

Thus far, 61% of those picking on http://nflpickwatch.com/ pick the Bills over the Eagles this weekend. Also, 54% pick the Bengals over the Steelers.

Oh stop!! The Browns could do that in their sleep, too!

Reminds me of Eric Moulds - the Bills squandered his talent too. They didn't have a QB then, either.