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I couldn't find the updates tab either but did you click the link Einstein posted? Takes you right where you need to be, worked for me. Thanks @Einstein.

OR... beane stay out of the draft mostly and hire an assistant GM and staff, that focuses on the draft. And quit trying to be cute. Take the dam WR from OSU, or the guy from OU, Georgia, Bama etc.

The Bills have missed on too many draft picks in the early rounds during Beane's time here. If McDermott and Beane are coming back (Spoiler alert - THEY ARE) then Beane should look to improve the scouting department. They deserve some of the blame here as well as far as striking out in the early rounds of the draft. Overall, this roster isn't all that great and the scouts own some of the blame for that.

many on this board deserve him. would be total karma

The results of the poll tell us recency bias is a real thing with 66% currently saying it’s McD’s worst loss. I’m sick and tired of hearing about 13 seconds (and hope some of you seek help) but I’ve put that in the rear view mirror. There’s no way a regular season loss in Miami is worse than that. .

But totally rebuilding on defense is one of the selling points on a change. Time to move away from the scheme and the type of players it demands. There will be enough that can stick around and transition to the new defense, but an overhaul is part of what I'm after.

You're not alone. Same feelings here. Our QB is a future HOF, we pay him for what he is: a franchise QB. Then, we build the team for a game manager at best. It's too much for me. I still watch and root for them, but not surprise at all and with less passion.

I have been a fan since 86' and I'm just getting tired. Its tough when you feel that no matter what, you aren't getting there because of the front office. The drought was bad but it felt different. I have to say its because we didn't have a Josh Allen at QB. When you have a top 3 QB and KNOW as fans what needs to be done, but have a front office hell bent on doing the opposite, it just guts you.

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I agree with you and the post you quoted. I was ready to quit watching after the playoff blowout loss to the Bengals. I actually realized how bad being a 30+ year Bills fan actually made me feel. The problem was my wife actually pulled me back into it. She randomly started showing an interest in football she never had before, began rooting for the Bills, and watching games. I started to look forward to watching the game with her and our dogs on the couch. Fast forward two more loses to KC in the playoffs, and I hit what I deemed to be an irreversible wall. After the afccg last year, I really thought about how awful being a bills fan makes me feel. Seeing them in their downward spiral this year isn't hotting as hard as it would have in years past. I'm more disgusted with the team, and how Billsy it will be if NE goes to the superbowl, than anything. It feels like a waste of Allen's talent (though he isn't blameless) and my time. I mainly watch this year because i forgot to turn off my youtube tv/and nfl package renewals.

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Why is Gabe Davis on the roster???

That combination is intriguing, but make no mistake that is a Head Coach downgrade that you are hoping outperforms what we have by a bit of freshness of voice and potentially an upgrade at OC. While I agree Saleh wasn't responsible for bringing the entire circus to town in NYC he definitely didn't help himself with his press interactions. This is a good point. Fundamentally it's the same defense. Yea McDermott was hired by Terry, not Whaley.

Ex Cav Scout here. Day late to the thread, but it's poignant. I used to be a day late to just about half my formations too....

beane needs to try to stop being the smartest guy in the room. McDermott needs to stop hiring yes men. we are a soft team and it starts at the top

I’ve gone five straight years. The stadium experience is “meh.” I agree with the sound and replay comments. I, too, wore prescription sun glasses and had the game go a little dark, but that’s not the stadium’s fault. Lastly, you can sing “God Bless America” at any event I attend, any day, any week. And, as a general approach to life, Veterans day is 365 days a year. I’ve heard, but never understood, the organic vs paid complaint. Of course the military advertises and has for two hundred years. Royalties are paid for the Bills’ “Shout” song and for “Mr. Brightside.” I’ve never heard someone complain they were being misled because the songs weren’t “organic.” What do I like about the stadium? Renovations in two parts, I understand, cost $750 million and includes F1 racing. That’s value.

Maybe. But I have a long-shot hypothesis that leads to a sunny conclusion, which is that McDermott is mishandling Coleman. Coleman has shown promise--look at the Baltimore game, for instance, and a few of the early games last season. He may not be a bust from a physical standpoint, like Boogie Basham, and he might not be an Elam-like bust either, a guy with talent who just doesn't get it. Rather, he might be sulking and McDermott is inadvertently making it worse by shaming him in front of his teammates and the world. In other words, he might be extremely immature (aka stupid), thinking, "I'll show them, I won't make this catch. THEN we'll see who's sorry, heh!" In his defense, public humiliation is pretty damaging and can backfire spectacularly. I speak as a parent and teacher here. It's possible that Coleman can still be everything the Bills hoped for, someone who devoted his summer to getting into great shape and was ready to shine this year, only to run into a rough patch on the field maybe, then being embarrassed. He withdraws into a pout, McDermott doubles down, so does he, and we have the current state of affairs. If this is the case, we haven't seen the best of Coleman yet. He might be a dawg if properly motivated. The bad news is that I don't see this turning around. It takes a lot to realize, as someone in charge of discipline, that you're going about it the wrong way and to change course, especially in such a public forum (in front of the whole team, I mean). Does McDermott have the combination of insightfulness and courage it takes? I'm dubious. But it's possible.

Weird stuff. Hopefully the old goof doesn’t blow it for Vance. Not putting any money on that.

I think it's his worst regular season loss since he decided to start Nathan Peterman in the middle of a playoff chase in 2017.

Lol at comparing two plays that are no where near identical to prove a point

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