Our DE's

[PushthePile]

Schobel???? LOLOLOLOL...yeah right...he doesnt deserve 1/10 of what he is paid.If doing absolutely nothing for years is your definition of earning multi-millions....well I suggest you apply for a job at AIG.

Here is your typical bandwagon answer. He's 31 and most likely has a few good years left. Since 2001 Schobel is second in

 

the NFL in sacks. Only three seasons ago the guy had 14 freaking sacks! This is where the bandwagoners try to convince

 

you that none of his 68 career sacks meant anything to the team. If you have any objectivenes in you, you will see that

 

this is just a foolish argument, generated by the consistently negative few. This is the same type of fan who tells you A-

 

ROD has never hit a meaningful homerun. The next logical place for a hater to try and rip schobel is his health. Haters will

 

say that he is getting old and injury prone. Since when is 31 the age when DEs become ineffective? Injury prone? The guy

 

hadn't missed a game until last year, this includes a string of 116 consecutive starts. So if you want to judge him on his

 

first real injury (last year) or the fact that he had 6.5 sacks in 2007, go ahead. If you recall in 2007 most of us felt schobel

 

was a one man show on the DL and also playing hurt (same injury). I think his body of work speaks for itself and he doesn't

 

deserve the hatred he gets.

[Buffalo Mike1]

WHAT HE SAID!!

I want Kelsay cut in the worst kinda way. He shouldn't make more than one mil per and should only be a backup. I don't care how nice he is or if he's a "team captain." Cut his useless ass!

[generaLee83]

Would you like it if your boss asked you to take an optional pay decrease?

 

If I was Chris Kelsay I would feel like I was committing robbery and rape given my salary compared to actual output, I mean aside from the Cowboys game 2 seasons ago has he ever done anything at all?

 

I would never restructure Kelsay, send his asss packing, it'll send a nice message to the rest of the team. The message sent would be far greater than the cap hit. They did it with Dockery, why not Kelsay?

[generaLee83]

Here is your typical bandwagon answer. He's 31 and most likely has a few good years left. Since 2001 Schobel is second in

 

the NFL in sacks. Only three seasons ago the guy had 14 freaking sacks! This is where the bandwagoners try to convince

 

you that none of his 68 career sacks meant anything to the team. If you have any objectivenes in you, you will see that

 

this is just a foolish argument, generated by the consistently negative few. This is the same type of fan who tells you A-

 

ROD has never hit a meaningful homerun. The next logical place for a hater to try and rip schobel is his health. Haters will

 

say that he is getting old and injury prone. Since when is 31 the age when DEs become ineffective? Injury prone? The guy

 

hadn't missed a game until last year, this includes a string of 116 consecutive starts. So if you want to judge him on his

 

first real injury (last year) or the fact that he had 6.5 sacks in 2007, go ahead. If you recall in 2007 most of us felt schobel

 

was a one man show on the DL and also playing hurt (same injury). I think his body of work speaks for itself and he doesn't

 

deserve the hatred he gets.

 

Aside from the needless spacing it's a good response although if his golden year was three years ago I think we have a concern although he is certainly worth the risk of one more season. Kelsay can go anytime for all I care.

[markd2020]

If I was Chris Kelsay I would feel like I was committing robbery and rape given my salary compared to actual output, I mean aside from the Cowboys game 2 seasons ago has he ever done anything at all?

 

I would never restructure Kelsay, send his asss packing, it'll send a nice message to the rest of the team. The message sent would be far greater than the cap hit. They did it with Dockery, why not Kelsay?

 

Chris Kelsay was consistently manhandled one on one last year. Often times by the tight end. His Position is a weakness on this team and needs to be addressed. I think a healthy Aaron Schobel would be a significant upgrade to that position from last year.

[PushthePile]

Aside from the needless spacing it's a good response although if his golden year was three years ago I think we have a concern although he is certainly worth the risk of one more season. Kelsay can go anytime for all I care.

I got yelled at by an older poster with subpar vision, and now I try to space it out a little.

[generaLee83]

I got yelled at by an older poster with subpar vision, and now I try to space it out a little.

 

hahaha, probably Ralphy himself

[billybob]

I would have never done either of those contracts- Kelsay because he didn't show burst to get around an OT and he didn't show power to go through a OT- Schobel because of age, size, and off season conditioning beliefs (when your game is quickness, age and disbelief in year round conditioning are a bad combination) btw if you are pissed at Peters for not honoring his contract you should also be pissed at Schobel who gave not so subtle hints that if his contract wasn't redone it would negatively affect his play.

[generaLee83]

I would have never done either of those contracts- Kelsay because he didn't show burst to get around an OT and he didn't show power to go through a OT- Schobel because of age, size, and off season conditioning beliefs (when your game is quickness, age and disbelief in year round conditioning are a bad combination) btw if you are pissed at Peters for not honoring his contract you should also be pissed at Schobel who gave not so subtle hints that if his contract wasn't redone it would negatively affect his play.

 

I forgot about that, when was that hinted?

[ChasBB]

Would you like it if your boss asked you to take an optional pay decrease?

I wouldn't make it optional -- it'd be more like "you'll be taking a pay cut or else ..."

[ChasBB]

I want Kelsay cut in the worst kinda way. He shouldn't make more than one mil per and should only be a backup. I don't care how nice he is or if he's a "team captain." Cut his useless ass!

Oh, but remember, he won the "Ed Block Award"! Gotta keep him forever now. Agree -- I would like to see him simply cut or traded, if possible, for ANY draft pick we can get.

[Tcali]

Here is your typical bandwagon answer. He's 31 and most likely has a few good years left. Since 2001 Schobel is second in

 

the NFL in sacks. Only three seasons ago the guy had 14 freaking sacks! This is where the bandwagoners try to convince

 

you that none of his 68 career sacks meant anything to the team. If you have any objectivenes in you, you will see that

 

this is just a foolish argument, generated by the consistently negative few. This is the same type of fan who tells you A-

 

ROD has never hit a meaningful homerun. The next logical place for a hater to try and rip schobel is his health. Haters will

 

say that he is getting old and injury prone. Since when is 31 the age when DEs become ineffective? Injury prone? The guy

 

hadn't missed a game until last year, this includes a string of 116 consecutive starts. So if you want to judge him on his

 

first real injury (last year) or the fact that he had 6.5 sacks in 2007, go ahead. If you recall in 2007 most of us felt schobel

 

was a one man show on the DL and also playing hurt (same injury). I think his body of work speaks for itself and he doesn't

 

deserve the hatred he gets.

There is no hatred here for Schobel. He was above average for a few years...collected some garbage sacks when he had fat Pat and others to take the heat off of him..then slid into mediocrity when those guys left.He has been mediocre for 3-4 years now. Now that he is 31 or 32 and coming off an injury I'm sure he'll be earning his 8 million per;)

I think Schobel gives good effort so no hatred here. But even when he was collecting some sack numbers he was never getting a consistent push towards the QB like the better DEs do.-At this stage of the game he is pretty useless.

[PushthePile]

There is no hatred here for Schobel. He was above average for a few years...collected some garbage sacks when he had fat Pat and others to take the heat off of him..then slid into mediocrity when those guys left.He has been mediocre for 3-4 years now. Now that he is 31 or 32 and coming off an injury I'm sure he'll be earning his 8 million per;)

I think Schobel gives good effort so no hatred here. But even when he was collecting some sack numbers he was never getting a consistent push towards the QB like the better DEs do.-At this stage of the game he is pretty useless.

Schobel had his two most productive years in 2005 and 2006. His sack totals were 26 in that span and his tackles were also up in those seasons. Pat Williams last season in Buffalo was 2004 and his presence really didn't have much to do with Schobel's production. You make the claim that he has been mediocre for 3-4 seasons now.

2005-2008

 

Schobel- 53 games 33 1/2 sacks 200 tackles

 

Peppers- 62 games 40 1/2 sacks 197 tackles

 

 

That is pretty nice company, for a mediocre, slow, white, and undersized DE. Of course Schobel's sacks were all garbage time and Pepper's sacks won games. Besides he has never gotten consistent pressure, he just has gotten lucky alot.

 

 

I am not trying to say Schobel is as good as Julius Peppers. I do however think it's sad that a mediocre franchise has fans that routinely bash one of it's only consistent players. I mean you called him useless and said he should be making 10 percent of what he's making now. IMO, some people need to take a step back for a minute and re-think alot of the things they so freely say on this board.

[Magox]

Schobel had his two most productive years in 2005 and 2006. His sack totals were 26 in that span and his tackles were also up in those seasons. Pat Williams last season in Buffalo was 2004 and his presence really didn't have much to do with Schobel's production. You make the claim that he has been mediocre for 3-4 seasons now.

2005-2008

 

Schobel- 53 games 33 1/2 sacks 200 tackles

 

Peppers- 62 games 40 1/2 sacks 197 tackles

 

 

That is pretty nice company, for a mediocre, slow, white, and undersized DE. Of course Schobel's sacks were all garbage time and Pepper's sacks won games. Besides he has never gotten consistent pressure, he just has gotten lucky alot.

 

 

I am not trying to say Schobel is as good as Julius Peppers. I do however think it's sad that a mediocre franchise has fans that routinely bash one of it's only consistent players. I mean you called him useless and said he should be making 10 percent of what he's making now. IMO, some people need to take a step back for a minute and re-think alot of the things they so freely say on this board.

 

Good point!

People have awfully short memories, forgeting everything he has done. He has been one of the more consistant productive DE's in the league up until he was injured. Both in the tackle and sack department.

 

He is getting a little long in the tooth, but if he can come back healthy, I expect him to have a much better year. If he doesn't play well this year, then I think there is little doubt that we would need to seriously consider cutting him and free up that cap room.

[BillsBum11]

schobel is fine, i kno many people say he makes no big sacks, but the bills havent been good enough to put him in the situation to get a big sack, like in the playoffs. For many years he alwas got his sacks until he got hurt. Nothing you can do about that. Him being healthy next year might be the biggest improvement of all.

 

Kelsay on the other hand can go. Denney does more by batting passes and being stout vs the run. Kelsay has done nothing since being in the league. Hes been a leader, so when the bills were a young team levy locked him up to help the young guys. But he needs to go or do better if the bills are to be better.

[BillsWatch]

I got yelled at by an older poster with subpar vision, and now I try to space it out a little.

 

Translation: You got you got yelled at for crapping your pants and spread it on face instead. It is still crap however you distribute it.

[PushthePile]

Translation: You got you got yelled at for crapping your pants and spread it on face instead. It is still crap however you distribute it.

You bring up a good point. Thanks for weighing in!

[Booster4324]

Translation: You got you got yelled at for crapping your pants and spread it on face instead. It is still crap however you distribute it.

 

Link?

[Buffaloed in Pa]

Chris Kelsay was consistently manhandled one on one last year. Often times by the tight end. His Position is a weakness on this team and needs to be addressed. I think a healthy Aaron Schobel would be a significant upgrade to that position from last year.

That goes for every De we have .Well the BIG 3 . Clean house on these three. Bring in another vet ...Berry and draft one. Those three powder puffs have to go.

[IQ]

That goes for every De we have .Well the BIG 3 . Clean house on these three. Bring in another vet ...Berry and draft one. Those three powder puffs have to go.

 

 

I happen to think Schobel is probbaly overpaid but get rid of all 3? Are you serious? You think you could get three DEs that would be better than Schobel? We need to draft a DE to line up with Shobel, not draft/sign three DE's. We have enough holes as it is.