Fingon Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'm with you. I'd consider a 3rd. A 4th? I wouldn't be happy with that, at all...maybe next year, if there is no improvement. I don't know that you could get a 4th for Parrish, as he is purely a punt returner. I'm thinking more of a 5th or 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Uh...no. Coles isn't nearly the blocker and worker, that Reed is. There is more to playing WR than simply catching passes. And, actually, Reed is more reliable in a crowd, on 3rd down. I'm sorry, but I think you are just incredibly wrong about that, and I agree to disagree. I don't see how you can even come close to arguing that Reed is a better receiver than Coles in 3rd down, and that he isn't a worker or blocker. Coles is an excellent receiver in all facets of the position, that does everything extremely well. Jenkins would be good as gone, I think. This is the NFL...Jenkins long-term deal means squat. I doubt there was much guaranteed money involved. I think any logical fan would see Jenkins and say he's the worst of the bunch, and that he'd be the one to go. However, the Bills staff puts an extremely high value on special teams, and they continue to not only keep players on the roster specifically for special teams purposes, but they also draft players specifically for special teams. I don't have any reason to believe they would just simply cut one of our best special teams players. Would I do it? Hell yeah. IMO, he's just a gunner and we can find someone else to do that, but do I think the Bills think the same way? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I disagree. Reed is our best slot receiver. Why keep a ST gunner instead of a guy who will see 30% of the offensive snaps? Agreed. Jenkins isn't really a WR, at this point, so he might stay on (and not really count as a WR) much like Aiken did, for years. But, if he needs to go, it would be wise for the Bills to have another gunner, either in the draft or someone from the roster. I don't believe you should toss out ST considerations in the offseason. It may be the only reason the Bills remain competitive, in many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 If we signed Coles, I see only 3 people who could go. Jenkins, Reed or Roscoe. They just gave Jenkins a long-term deal, and there's no one else in that group that can play special teams like he does. You just make stuff up? Jenkins signed a two-year deal for basically the minimum. A two-year total of 1.185 mil. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=3442 I think we would have a glut at the position, too, but that we either lose Jenkins or we keep an extra guy on the roster at that position. I very much doubt Reed goes. If we could get a starter for Roscoe that would be the only way I would trade him. Reed as well as Roscoe and/or Hardy could flourish with Evans and Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzaloha Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Evans, Coles, Reed, Parrish, Hardy, Johnson, and Jenkins I think we should trade Parrish for a TE like Daniels and give them a draft pick to. What do you all think What would make you think they want to trade him???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 You just make stuff up? Jenkins signed a two-year deal for basically the minimum. A two-year total of 1.185 mil. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=3442 No. What I meant was that he just signed a deal and a week later they are bringing in Kelley Washington, and now Coles. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think they would have given him the deal (knowing they want to upgrade the receiving corps) only to cut him. The Bills knew they wanted to upgrade at WR. If they intended on upgrading, they know someone has to go. If they planned on that man being Jenkins, I don't think they would have signed him for 2 years in the first place. I know both Washington and Coles were cut, and were not free agents, but there is no denying that the Bills are interested in adding someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobuffalo Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 What would make you think they want to trade him???? just sounds like its possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 No. What I meant was that he just signed a deal and a week later they are bringing in Kelley Washington, and now Coles. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think they would have given him the deal (knowing they want to upgrade the receiving corps) only to cut him. The Bills knew they wanted to upgrade at WR. If they intended on upgrading, they know someone has to go. If they planned on that man being Jenkins, I don't think they would have signed him for 2 years in the first place. I know both Washington and Coles were cut, and were not free agents, but there is no denying that the Bills are interested in adding someone else. When you sign a guy for basically veteran minimum, that isn't any indication whatsoever that you're dedicated to him. They don't know when Hardy is going to be back full and if he is ready to be a #2 yet, they know Reed and Roscoe can be valuable at #3 or #4 but not #2. You upgrade if you get the players you want at the price you want, but you also have plan B and C. Frankly, I have no idea why they would bring in Kelley Washington when there was virtually no chance they would sign him, unless they would then jettison Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crows57 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Evans, Coles, Reed, Parrish, Hardy, Johnson, and Jenkins I think we should trade Parrish for a TE like Daniels and give them a draft pick to. What do you all think No, if the Bills sign Coles they have 2 WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 When you sign a guy for basically veteran minimum, that isn't any indication whatsoever that you're dedicated to him. They don't know when Hardy is going to be back full and if he is ready to be a #2 yet, they know Reed and Roscoe can be valuable at #3 or #4 but not #2. You upgrade if you get the players you want at the price you want, but you also have plan B and C. Frankly, I have no idea why they would bring in Kelley Washington when there was virtually no chance they would sign him, unless they would then jettison Jenkins. I have no idea what the Bills would do, and if it were my decision to make, I'd get rid of Jenkins. All I'm trying to do is think of every possible option. I think most fans would think of Reed as untouchable (which I don't, but it doesn't mean I think he should go) so I'm just trying to think of every possible argument or scenario. Like I said, I think its between Jenkins, Reed and Roscoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo1983 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Trading Parrish would be stupid. We would have 5 (Reliable) WR's and would be able to use all 5 in different plays and situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 So Jenkins has more value on Special Teams than Roscoe does? Get rid of Jenkins and find a backup S or CB that can play gunner. Gunners are dime a dozen. League leading punt returners aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 So Jenkins has more value on Special Teams than Roscoe does? Get rid of Jenkins and find a backup S or CB that can play gunner. Gunners are dime a dozen. League leading punt returners aren't. Very true. That said, Roscoe may have more value to another team than he does to the Bills, even though he is pretty valuable here, IMO. First, if we get Coles, Roscoe becomes the #4 WR. Other teams would be able to get more production out of him than we will (other teams would anyway but that's another story). A lot of teams need a dynamic PR specialist and Roscoe is the best all-time. But Fred Jackson and Leodis have already proven they're pretty damn good in reserve. I could easily see the Bills use Fred as the main PR guy but put Leodis back there once or twice a game, or late in the game when you needed a gamebreaker (only said because I don't think you could ask him to be a starting CB and full-time KR and full-time PR). I don't want us to get rid of Roscoe either, but if we could get a starter for him, I would strongly consider that. Like from a team with an abundance of DTs or SSs or TEs or LBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Just to let you guys know.. I have a strange feeling that roscoe parrish is on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I think any logical fan would see Jenkins and say he's the worst of the bunch, and that he'd be the one to go. However, the Bills staff puts an extremely high value on special teams, and they continue to not only keep players on the roster specifically for special teams purposes, but they also draft players specifically for special teams. I don't have any reason to believe they would just simply cut one of our best special teams players. Would I do it? Hell yeah. IMO, he's just a gunner and we can find someone else to do that, but do I think the Bills think the same way? Nope. So then wouldn't that mean that Roscoes job is more then safe? Recently they have been making some moves, letting some ST's go and replacing them because they don't have the roster space anymore (Coy Wire?), but I don't see Buffalo letting one of the leagues best return guys go to keep around a guy who is going to only be a gunner on ST's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 That is worse. Why would you be counting Justin (fodder) Jenkens to get seven.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobuffalo Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 No, if the Bills sign Coles they have 2 WRs. haha u are funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 im surprised no one has mentioned that McKelvin basically negates Parrish's value to our team on the field and puts it almost entirely into trade value. i love having roscoe return punts, but we have a few guys who an do that, and well too. i agree with the mentioned trade value, id like a 3rd, but maybe a 4th. These return specialist guys tend to fall off fast once they start losing a step and younger kids come into the league to play special teams. I guess if we can get a 4th and a 5th next year or something, id be happy. i also wouldnt be terribly upset if they simply cut the gunner making vet minimum either. which is probably the logical answer when we're not trying to outsmart ourselves and the FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I love Josh Reed, right now he's the only consistent receiver we have, but if we got Coles, there'd be no need for Reed on this team anymore. Coles is the same exact player as Reed, only 5 times better. Reed is a poor man's Coles, and there's no reason to have both. Everyone has a role in that group: Jenkins is the special teams ace, Roscoe is the best punt returner in the league, Evans is our #1 and deep threat, Hardy and Johnson are both young up and coming players, and Reed is our go-to, clutch player who catches timely passes over the middle and on 3rd downs. Coles replaces that, and then what does Josh do that Coles doesn't? If we signed Coles, I see only 3 people who could go. Jenkins, Reed or Roscoe. They just gave Jenkins a long-term deal, and there's no one else in that group that can play special teams like he does. Roscoe is the best punt returner in the league, but its still possible they try to trade him. The most logical person to leave would be Reed. It is his role that is being upgraded and replaced. I think our 3 receivers would look great with Evans, Coles and Johnson. And then there's Hardy, and even Roscoe. I love all that Josh Reed has done for this team since he's been here, but if we sign Coles, he no longer has a role and a place IMO. LETS TRADE ONE OF OUR BEST RECEIVERS AND KEEP A 5'8" PIECE OF TRASH LIKE PARRISH ON THE TEAM WHO HAS DONE NOTHING THE PAST 2 YEARS, AND IS OVERPAID. Parrish def gets cut/traded if we sign coles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 im surprised no one has mentioned that McKelvin basically negates Parrish's value to our team Starting-quality CBs are hard to replace when injured. Fourth WRs, less so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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