MrLocke Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Last season the Bills made a run at Marlon Mcree. This to me showed that they were not satisfied with the group of Whitner, Simpson, Scott and Wilson. Are people satisfied with Whitner at FS and Scott at SS? I personally would like the Bills to make a run at Mike Brown given his ties to Jauron and he is 30 right on which means he probably has another season or two. I also think he may want to come here given his ties to Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 No way. He's getting up there in age and he's often injured. I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 To be honest I think picking him up is a smart move. Maybe he can show Whitner how it supposed to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Last season the Bills made a run at Marlon Mcree. This to me showed that they were not satisfied with the group of Whitner, Simpson, Scott and Wilson. Are people satisfied with Whitner at FS and Scott at SS? I personally would like the Bills to make a run at Mike Brown given his ties to Jauron and he is 30 right on which means he probably has another season or two. I also think he may want to come here given his ties to Jauron. Probably not. He'll be another year or two older by the time the Bills get a real head coach. My FA strategy now with Jauron being retained would be to spend as little as possible on players and do everything I could to eliminate highly paid unproductive players from the team so that there is maximum cap space available for the next coach. The Bills are taking '09 off for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I think it's worth taking a look into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 No. It would be like spending money for an IR reservation because that's where he'll end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 No. It would be like spending money for an IR reservation because that's where he'll end up. agreed. the guy is a good player, but he's more injury prone than trent edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I like the guy...great playmaker. Maybe try an incentive-laden deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Probably not. He'll be another year or two older by the time the Bills get a real head coach. My FA strategy now with Jauron being retained would be to spend as little as possible on players and do everything I could to eliminate highly paid unproductive players from the team so that there is maximum cap space available for the next coach. The Bills are taking '09 off for the most part. What an absurd stance and post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Last season the Bills made a run at Marlon Mcree. This to me showed that they were not satisfied with the group of Whitner, Simpson, Scott and Wilson. Are people satisfied with Whitner at FS and Scott at SS? I personally would like the Bills to make a run at Mike Brown given his ties to Jauron and he is 30 right on which means he probably has another season or two. I also think he may want to come here given his ties to Jauron. How about Jermaine Phillips from Tampa? He's not an Elite S, but a deffinate upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 agreed. the guy is a good player, but he's more injury prone than trent edwards. Don't get too carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 What an absurd stance and post... Not at all. Let's get real. The front office knows now that Jauron can't coach. Probably a lame duck season for him. Most of the players know this too which means they're playing for a guy in which they don't believe and one whom is likely to be fired. The fans for the most part certainly see this as well as does the media. Jauron is retaining his coordinators which likely means the same unsuccessful styles of offense and defense will be deployed. The Bills will be irrelevant in 2009. The best we have to look forward to (realistically) is some new young talent to be drafted that the next coaching staff can work with. Maybe a free agent or two. Jauron getting canned at the end of the year would be the best news for this franchise in 3 years or so. Barring some sort of miracle, the Bills will again be below .500. Not negative people. It's real. I should have posted this yesterday. Grounhog day would have been the perfect time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Not at all. Let's get real. The front office knows now that Jauron can't coach. Probably a lame duck season for him. Most of the players know this too which means they're playing for a guy in which they don't believe and one whom is likely to be fired. The fans for the most part certainly see this as well as does the media. Jauron is retaining his coordinators which likely means the same unsuccessful styles of offense and defense will be deployed. The Bills will be irrelevant in 2009. The best we have to look forward to (realistically) is some new young talent to be drafted that the next coaching staff can work with. Maybe a free agent or two. Jauron getting canned at the end of the year would be the best news for this franchise in 3 years or so. Barring some sort of miracle, the Bills will again be below .500. Not negative people. It's real. I should have posted this yesterday. Grounhog day would have been the perfect time. way to Keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Probably not. He'll be another year or two older by the time the Bills get a real head coach. My FA strategy now with Jauron being retained would be to spend as little as possible on players and do everything I could to eliminate highly paid unproductive players from the team so that there is maximum cap space available for the next coach. The Bills are taking '09 off for the most part. Ha Ha Ha! What a turd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 This to me showed that they were not satisfied with the group of Whitner, Simpson, Scott and Wilson. Maybe they aren't satisfied with Whitner, Scott, and Wilson true but what have to keep Simpson if nothing else then because HE IS WORTH MILLIONS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Not at all. Let's get real. The front office knows now that Jauron can't coach. Probably a lame duck season for him. Most of the players know this too which means they're playing for a guy in which they don't believe and one whom is likely to be fired. The fans for the most part certainly see this as well as does the media. Jauron is retaining his coordinators which likely means the same unsuccessful styles of offense and defense will be deployed. The Bills will be irrelevant in 2009. The best we have to look forward to (realistically) is some new young talent to be drafted that the next coaching staff can work with. Maybe a free agent or two. Jauron getting canned at the end of the year would be the best news for this franchise in 3 years or so. Barring some sort of miracle, the Bills will again be below .500. Not negative people. It's real. I should have posted this yesterday. Grounhog day would have been the perfect time. I cant even dignify this gibberish with an intelligent response...so I will stoop to the level of the merit of the post... "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markj Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I cant even dignify this gibberish with an intelligent response...so I will stoop to the level of the merit of the post... "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." Nice!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Well like any acquisition, it's how much you like the player and how much would he cost. The other thing I now add (since the Mike Furrey discussion) is if the player won't stand in the way of developing a young guy who has promise. If he came at the veteran minimum I can't see how it could hurt, unless you hold the opinion that Ko Simpson or John Wendling is on an upward curve to being a starter. I don't hold that opinion. As usual it's a simple cost:benefit analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Well like any acquisition, it's how much you like the player and how much would he cost. The other thing I now add (since the Mike Furrey discussion) is if the player won't stand in the way of developing a young guy who has promise. If he came at the veteran minimum I can't see how it could hurt, unless you hold the opinion that Ko Simpson or John Wendling is on an upward curve to being a starter. I don't hold that opinion. As usual it's a simple cost:benefit analysis. No it wouldn't hurt, but he's not coming to the Bills for the "Veteran Minimum". It's not going to happen. He'd go to a team where he has the chance to win a Super Bowl for the "Veteran Minimum". He would be better than our guys, but he's been hurt every year since 2004 basically. He's missed most of '04 because of an achilles injury, '05 because of a calf, '06 because of a Lisfranc fracture, '07 knee injury, and '08 it was a calf injury that landed him on IR again in week 15. Somebody will give him more money than he's worth on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Brown was the "LYNCH-pin" of the Chicago defense when they were good 4-5 yrs ago. I wouldn't have a problem seeing what he's got. He's got attitude when it comes to hits. Sanders and Palamalu are injured a lot as well. Not saying Browns in their cat'y buy I'm just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not at all. Let's get real. The front office knows now that Jauron can't coach. Probably a lame duck season for him. Most of the players know this too which means they're playing for a guy in which they don't believe and one whom is likely to be fired. The fans for the most part certainly see this as well as does the media. Jauron is retaining his coordinators which likely means the same unsuccessful styles of offense and defense will be deployed. The Bills will be irrelevant in 2009. The best we have to look forward to (realistically) is some new young talent to be drafted that the next coaching staff can work with. Maybe a free agent or two. Jauron getting canned at the end of the year would be the best news for this franchise in 3 years or so. Barring some sort of miracle, the Bills will again be below .500. Not negative people. It's real. I should have posted this yesterday. Grounhog day would have been the perfect time. I do remember the players asking Ralph to KEEP Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I cant even dignify this gibberish with an intelligent response...so I will stoop to the level of the merit of the post... "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." Deep down many of you know I'm right but you can't stand to admit it. As a Bills fan, I don't like it either. There's an old saying: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten". Look at the Bills objectively. They're going nowhere. They'll be an also-ran in 2009. They lack a coach with a winning formula, a front office that can attract quality free agents and pay for them and a coaching staff that effectively identifies and develops young talent. Until they improve these areas, the players won't matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I do remember the players asking Ralph to KEEP Jauron. So you believe that the very few players that have spoken publically on the matter are being open an honest and that those few public opinions reflect the real sentiment of the team as a whole? You believe that these young players most of whom have never played in a winning NFL environment know the difference between a good coaching staff and their coaching staff? You believe that the players really have confidence in Jauron? No doubt in that locker room? Only the fans feel this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Check out the durability. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...wMi99.htm?redir They'll be after him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantstopbeastmode Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Deep down many of you know I'm right but you can't stand to admit it. As a Bills fan, I don't like it either. There's an old saying: "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten". Look at the Bills objectively. They're going nowhere. They'll be an also-ran in 2009. They lack a coach with a winning formula, a front office that can attract quality free agents and pay for them and a coaching staff that effectively identifies and develops young talent. Until they improve these areas, the players won't matter that much. I fully agree with all of your posts here. The only thing I might disagree with is the idea that the players dislike Jauron. I really do think they like him. I couldn't begin to tell you why, but they seem to genuinely like him. That pisses me off just about as much as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 No. It would be like spending money for an IR reservation because that's where he'll end up. He pretty much ends up on IR every other year, so he's probably due for an injury free season. He remains an excellent player when healthy, and would be a significant upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 So you believe that the very few players that have spoken publically on the matter are being open an honest and that those few public opinions reflect the real sentiment of the team as a whole? You believe that these young players most of whom have never played in a winning NFL environment know the difference between a good coaching staff and their coaching staff? You believe that the players really have confidence in Jauron? No doubt in that locker room? Only the fans feel this way? Yes I do believe a lot of player believe in him. I don't know why. I remember when we hired Dick and former players kept saying how they loved to play for him. Maybe he keeps things in house, I don't know but theres something most don't see. There is something to be said for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Last season the Bills made a run at Marlon Mcree. This to me showed that they were not satisfied with the group of Whitner, Simpson, Scott and Wilson. Are people satisfied with Whitner at FS and Scott at SS? I personally would like the Bills to make a run at Mike Brown given his ties to Jauron and he is 30 right on which means he probably has another season or two. I also think he may want to come here given his ties to Jauron. When healthy, Mike Brown is one of the best safeties in the league. I think the staff of the Buffalo Bills is probably not going to make to many changes in the secondary this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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