THEDuganWolcott Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 As dangerous as he is on punt returns, why don't the Bills put him back to return kick-offs with McKelvin, just makes sense to me, but I dont know anything........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 As dangerous as he is on punt returns, why don't the Bills put him back to return kick-offs with McKelvin, just makes sense to me, but I dont know anything........... I'm a member of the "Put anyone back there except McKelvin club", so I will side with you on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I dont see why Fast Freddy doesent get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 i don't like roscoe parrish returning kickoffs.. to me it seems like he's not very good at it. he just seems to run and get taken down by the first guy that taps him. now punts, on the other hand, he can use his quickness to juke a person or two before taking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 i don't like roscoe parrish returning kickoffs.. to me it seems like he's not very good at it. he just seems to run and get taken down by the first guy that taps him. now punts, on the other hand, he can use his quickness to juke a person or two before taking off. I agree. Roscoe's quick moves are best used in punt returns, not picking out possible holes 20 yards downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Man I still remember the days when we had London Fletcher back there during the Mularkey Era. I know he was there to block for the return man, but I remember when he grabbed a couple kicks and returned them for little to no yardage. I think McKelvin will get a KO return this year......I do miss McGee however. And im not sure how Roscoe would fair on KO returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I agree. Roscoe's quick moves are best used in punt returns, not picking out possible holes 20 yards downfield. And with the coverage team getting a 50-yard running head start. If they hit him at full speed, they break him in two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Most of McKelvin's college special team TD's came on punt returns also. I'm happy with what the Bills have gotten from him so far on kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Lori that's a good point. Id only expect to see it in desperate situations...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 And with the coverage team getting a 50-yard running head start. If they hit him at full speed, they break him in two. I'm going back a long time...do you remember KC's "Super Gnat", Nolan Smith? I have a dim memory of him hitting some behemoth's outstretched arm at full speed with his neck and spinning up, around, down, and going splat. Off-topic... Cincy Enquirer Mon-Sat OTC issue price rises by 25 cents per copy. Sun. ed. remains at $1.50. http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...WS01/810300406/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'm a member of the "Put anyone back there except McKelvin club", so I will side with you on this one. Among eligible kick returners (at least 1 kick returned per game), McKelvin ranks 14th out of 34 in yards per return. Considering he's a rookie who's still learning to follow his blocks correctly and deal with NFL-level opponents, I'd say that isn't bad. Why not keep him back there? Am I missing something? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?s...2&year=2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 i don't like roscoe parrish returning kickoffs.. to me it seems like he's not very good at it. he just seems to run and get taken down by the first guy that taps him. now punts, on the other hand, he can use his quickness to juke a person or two before taking off. are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Dave Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then maybe you should have used 10 exclamation points instead of 15. Read what Lori wrote. That's all you need to know about this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \ Calm down Pal. Rosco is great on punt returns but is taken down way too easily once he is made contact with. In the open field he is impossible to tackle. If he tried to bust through a hole in the middle of the field he would get destroyed. In kickoffs you have lanes and are actually able to follow the ball down field. On punts where you go is dictated by the reaction to the receiving team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, why all the hate on McKelvin? I posted the link in my comment above, but he's been an above average (slightly) kick returner this year. I'm not gushing over the man, but it seems some people think he's been playing piss poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Most of McKelvin's college special team TD's came on punt returns also. I'm happy with what the Bills have gotten from him so far on kickoffs. Hmmmmm..Im not impressed so far---seems like he runs right into the pack.....- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Most of McKelvin's college special team TD's came on punt returns also. I'm happy with what the Bills have gotten from him so far on kickoffs. McKelvin looked GREAT in preseason on kickoff returns. The only reason I can think of as to why he's not doing so well now is MAYBE he is being "over-coached". Maybe they should just put him back there and say "Go -- run wild". Maybe he's getting overwhelmed with waiting for the blockers to get aligned or something -- I don't know -- he's just looking hesitant. The guy has raw talent and the coaches just need to let him run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Considering he's a rookie who's still learning to follow his blocks correctly and deal with NFL-level opponents, I'd say that isn't bad. Why not keep him back there? Am I missing something? Are you joking? It's kick returning. It's not quarterback. You got it or you don't. I don't know what you're waiting for, but being a rookie doesn't mean anything when it comes to kick returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 McKelvin runs one back for a TD this week against the Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 McKelvin runs one back for a TD this week against the Jets... I had a good feeling last week. I tend to be early on these things, though. My instincts are THAT good. I'm with you, Doc. This is the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Are you joking? It's kick returning. It's not quarterback. You got it or you don't. I don't know what you're waiting for, but being a rookie doesn't mean anything when it comes to kick returning. Experience means something at every position. And who's to say he doesn't "got it"? Like I said, he ranks 14th out of 34 (of course, that's the portion of my post that you chose to ignore). It's not exceptional, but I'll take it. I don't know where your "anybody but McKelvin" approach comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Are you joking? It's kick returning. It's not quarterback. You got it or you don't. I don't know what you're waiting for, but being a rookie doesn't mean anything when it comes to kick returning. Couldn't you say that about all positions? Oline? You just stand there and block guys from coming through WR? You just run and try to get open to catch the ball RB? You just take the ball and run with it QB? You just take the ball and hand it off or throw it Punter? You just kick the ball as far as you can Theres more to any position then most of us think to play in the NFL and be good. Talent is one thing, and McKelvin has proved in college he has the ability/talent to do it, theres an adjustment to going from college to the NFL, sometimes it takes a while to adjust to the tougher game no matter what position you are playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 McKelvin looked GREAT in preseason on kickoff returns. The only reason I can think of as to why he's not doing so well now is MAYBE he is being "over-coached". Maybe they should just put him back there and say "Go -- run wild". Maybe he's getting overwhelmed with waiting for the blockers to get aligned or something -- I don't know -- he's just looking hesitant. The guy has raw talent and the coaches just need to let him run with it. Stop for a bit, and ask yourself how many of the players on those kick-coverage squads made their teams' 53-man rosters. Then consider the shakeup in the blocking both for McKelvin and for McGee, who averaged a pedestrian 20.7 yards per return before the switch was made. No, McKelvin hasn't exactly looked scintillating so far. Some of that's on him, some of it's not. Overall, as pointed out above, a 23.8-yard average isn't bad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Stop for a bit, and ask yourself how many of the players on those kick-coverage squads made their teams' 53-man rosters. Then consider the shakeup in the blocking both for McKelvin and for McGee, who averaged a pedestrian 20.7 yards per return before the switch was made. No, McKelvin hasn't exactly looked scintillating so far. Some of that's on him, some of it's not. Overall, as pointed out above, a 23.8-yard average isn't bad ... He should be doing a much better job returning kicks for a #1 pick in the draft and this was suppose to be his specialty. I think he's a couple blocks away from taking one to the house but when will he be able to sniff it out and get it done? He reminds me of Russel Copeland on the returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Stop for a bit, and ask yourself how many of the players on those kick-coverage squads made their teams' 53-man rosters. Then consider the shakeup in the blocking both for McKelvin and for McGee, who averaged a pedestrian 20.7 yards per return before the switch was made. No, McKelvin hasn't exactly looked scintillating so far. Some of that's on him, some of it's not. Overall, as pointed out above, a 23.8-yard average isn't bad ... Excellent point! A lot of those guys are not playing in the NFL today. Nevertheless, he just looks so much more hesitant out there. He didn't get slower. I'm sure he's facing tougher players on the field during returns, but it's almost as though he has lost the confidence he had in the preseason. He's still capable of being a GREAT returner and he can STILL burn the other guys on the field today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Experience means something at every position. And who's to say he doesn't "got it"? Like I said, he ranks 14th out of 34 (of course, that's the portion of my post that you chose to ignore). It's not exceptional, but I'll take it. I don't know where your "anybody but McKelvin" approach comes from. How about him being 14th out of 34th!!! Wooo. I'm sorry you're right. I don't know what I was thinking complaining that our current Kick Returner is a significant downside to the one we had last year (who is still on the team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 How about him being 14th out of 34th!!! Wooo. I'm sorry you're right. I don't know what I was thinking complaining that our current Kick Returner is a significant downside to the one we had last year (who is still on the team). And injured. And averaging just 20.7 yards per return before he was replaced. Why don't you do your homework before you start flapping your gums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I like 'scoe better on punts like most, but I think he could be just as lethal on kicks. He's quick, agile and "darty" enough to avoid a clean hit, I think. So injury would not be my concern. Of course a healthy McGee is as dangerous as any on kicks. He's fast and knows how to find his blocks. McKelvin has looked hesitant, he slows down and almost stops a lot. He needs to find his blocks and then just burn downfield. It's almost like he's waiting for something, but it never comes. I guess I would liken it to his being a rookie. Sort of a deer caught in headlights. He'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I dont see why Fast Freddy doesent get a chance. There's been a Jonathan Smith sighting at OBD?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Man I still remember the days when we had London Fletcher back there during the Mularkey Era. I know he was there to block for the return man, but I remember when he grabbed a couple kicks and returned them for little to no yardage. I think McKelvin will get a KO return this year......I do miss McGee however. And im not sure how Roscoe would fair on KO returns. Actually, Fletcher did very well those few times he got the ball. I remember him back there very well, too, usually blocking, but when he got it there was no side to side, he just went vertical and tried to hit a gap. He actually did very well. EDIT: Found his stats. 2004 was the only year he ran back kicks in Buffalo. He was 4 / 86, an average of 21.5, which is really really good when you're catching balls they're kicking too short to get to the returner. London was catching those balls around the 20 yard-line. He was terrific. Link: http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/players...539&team=28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please explain to me why that's a ridiculous comment. to his career he has 16 kick returns for 387 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbuckley9091 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Stop for a bit, and ask yourself how many of the players on those kick-coverage squads made their teams' 53-man rosters. Then consider the shakeup in the blocking both for McKelvin and for McGee, who averaged a pedestrian 20.7 yards per return before the switch was made. No, McKelvin hasn't exactly looked scintillating so far. Some of that's on him, some of it's not. Overall, as pointed out above, a 23.8-yard average isn't bad ... McKelvin is going to break one this year no doubt about it...He was really close on one during the Miami game, and he's had a few others during the season, where he's just needed one more block. He has been hesitant a bunhc of times as well, and he ends up just running into a pile. Dude has great top-end speed, not really quick...but he gets to that top-end speed really fast!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 And injured. And averaging just 20.7 yards per return before he was replaced. Why don't you do your homework before you start flapping your gums? Good one. I forgot that he was injured recently. Why didn't I do my homework? Try singing to the tune of two time all-pro kick returner, with six career KR TDs (second in team history). I guess you're right though. I'm an idiot who needs to do his homework and sit and wait for the rookie to figure out the wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 are you freaking serious? man what a ridiculous comment on roscoe. i'll guarantee you one thing he would be 10 times better than mckelvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10 times better? WOW. Well, if Parish is going to average over 200 yards per return, I'm sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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