tornado681 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 who was it? what was said? thanks, tornado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel.....he was talking about his lack of production according to the media...said something like....."You can tell that to Sullivan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel.....he was talking about his lack of production according to the media...said something like....."You can tell that to Sullivan" I believe Sullivan, just like the rest of us, know Schobel hasn't done anything this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel.....he was talking about his lack of production according to the media...said something like....."You can tell that to Sullivan" WAAAHHHHH! Go home and look at your savings account balance and I'm sure you'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel must have been inspired by Bruce Smith in ripping Sullivan. I just wish the inspiration would transfer to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel is second on the team in tackles with 32, is tied for second on the team for tackles for loss, is second on the team in quarterback pressures and is tied for second on the team in quarterback hits. No other player ranks in the top two in as many defensive categories as Schobel... Yeah, he's not doing anything... /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsjunkie Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel is second on the team in tackles with 32, is tied for second on the team for tackles for loss, is second on the team in quarterback pressures and is tied for second on the team in quarterback hits. No other player ranks in the top two in as many defensive categories as Schobel... Yeah, he's not doing anything... /sarcasm I agree the talk is stupid. Is Schobel the new twobillsdrive whipping boy now or something? The sacks will come. Schobel has done plenty this year and has come really close to some sacks and strips. But then again some people will tell you that Ellis needs to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 But then again some people will tell you that Ellis needs to start. Any talk of Ellis starting is ridiculous, but you do have to wonder why a guy who came out of college touted as a pass rushing specialist hasn't got to the point where he is ACTIVE for a game instead of Copeland friggin' Bryan on a team that continues to have pass rushing problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsjunkie Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Any talk of Ellis starting is ridiculous, but you do have to wonder why a guy who came out of college touted as a pass rushing specialist hasn't got to the point where he is ACTIVE for a game instead of Copeland friggin' Bryan on a team that continues to have pass rushing problems. Special teams man. All about the special teams with your back ups. I too would like to see Ellis activated for once on a Sunday though. Also we all know that some college players don't transition real well to the NFL right off the bat. Obviously he is one of them or he would be activated. My thoughts of coarse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Jerry Sullivan seems to be a very negative person. No one is asking him to be a cheerleader, but after reading most of his columns, you want to go shoot yourself, his writing is so very bitter. Seems he has a great deal of difficulty finding positives in situations. .. A lifetime in doing-nothing/going-nowhere WNY will do that to you, I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Why does Schobel waste his time reading or listening to Sullivan? Better yet, why does he take Sullivan to heart? Maybe he should take his aggression out on opposing QBs, instead of crappy sportswriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I believe Sullivan, just like the rest of us, know Schobel hasn't done anything this year. Me thinks you should take a closer look at the stats. Sacks are not the only determining factor to see if someone is playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 O.K.- Schjobel has paid well but has not gotten the sacks which is what we need him to do. Kelsey was our best player in the pre-season, but as usual never gets near the Q.B. It wiuld seem like it might be time to dress Ellis and give him a shot. Sorry, Copeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 It wiuld seem like it might be time to dress Ellis and give him a shot. Sorry, Copeland. I must admit that I do like your interpretation of the spelling of the word Would. I think I might start using it in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Some including me have called for adding Ellis to the ROTATION, I don't think even one poster has stated that he needs to start. Copeland Bryan sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Jerry Sullivan seems to be a very negative person. No one is asking him to be a cheerleader, but after reading most of his columns, you want to go shoot yourself, his writing is so very bitter. Seems he has a great deal of difficulty finding positives in situations. .. A lifetime in doing-nothing/going-nowhere WNY will do that to you, I guess... That's his job, he's paid to be a cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSteph Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 A lifetime in doing-nothing/going-nowhere WNY will do that to you, I guess... I beg to differ, I am doing alot, going places and live a very prosporous and happy life. I am not even a native WNY'er. I wouldn't live anywhere else. Now Jerry Sullivan - I believe it is just in his DNA to be a cynic. He's a sports writer, if he felt that way about WNY - he could leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I agree the talk is stupid. Is Schobel the new twobillsdrive whipping boy now or something? The sacks will come. Schobel has done plenty this year and has come really close to some sacks and strips. But then again some people will tell you that Ellis needs to start. I agree that Schobel can be dominant, and he plays smart and has been a solid tackler. What has been lacking is the QB pressure and sacks. I just think he is playing hurt and does not have that push that he needs. He is pretty light as a DE and relies on a speed game ala Jason Taylor, take away the speed and what you have left is a pretty solid tacking lineman, but not much in the way of moves to elude linemen. He also draws double teams - not all the time, but often enough where the rest of the line should be stepping up. He is far from alone, has Kelsey's name been called much this year for making any big plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel is a douche bag. He needs to take a look at the Titans or Giants to see what real DE's look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Schobel is a douche bag. He needs to take a look at the Titans or Giants to see what real DE's look like. Wow, did you come up with that all by yourself? Take a look at the stats, he has been on of the most consistent performers on our defense. Sacks are not the only measure of a productive player. Douche bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Wow, did you come up with that all by yourself? Take a look at the stats, he has been on of the most consistent performers on our defense. Sacks are not the only measure of a productive player. Douche bag. Ya, I'm a big boy, dork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Ya, I'm a big boy, dork Then please try to add something of substance and value to the conversation. "Schobel is a douche bag" has to be one of the most low brow things I have read on this board in recent memory. If you have a difference of opinion with something that is said, make a statement that doesn't include words like "douche bag" and back it up with something factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Then please try to add something of substance and value to the conversation. "Schobel is a douche bag" has to be one of the most low brow things I have read on this board in recent memory. If you have a difference of opinion with something that is said, make a statement that doesn't include words like "douche bag" and back it up with something factual. I am. Have you ever heard that guy talk to the public? He sounds like a total prick and doesn't not have a good attitude. And apparently, he doesn't have a good reputation around the league unlike all these announcers would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I am. Have you ever heard that guy talk to the public? He sounds like a total prick and doesn't not have a good attitude. And apparently, he doesn't have a good reputation around the league unlike all these announcers would have you believe. If that is your opinion, state it that way. I am all for the open exchange of opinions and ideas, but your original post didn't explain that in any way. How was one supposed to read "Schobel is a douche bag" and know you meant "He sounds like a total prick and doesn't not have a good attitude. And apparently, he doesn't have a good reputation around the league?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 If that is your opinion, state it that way. I am all for the open exchange of opinions and ideas, but your original post didn't explain that in any way. How was one supposed to read "Schobel is a douche bag" and know you meant "He sounds like a total prick and doesn't not have a good attitude. And apparently, he doesn't have a good reputation around the league?" Anyone can see that's what he meant by the douchebag comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Anyone can see that's what he meant by the douchebag comment. I'm just going to assume that this is sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I must be wrong then. He is the best DE since Jesus Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I must be wrong then. He is the best DE since Jesus Christ That's just silly. Everybody knows Christ played QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I must be wrong then. He is the best DE since Jesus Christ I thought Jesus Christ was the QB for the 49'ers? Man I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I thought Jesus Christ was the QB for the 49'ers? Man I'm confused. J.T. O'Sullivan??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I like Schobel. He's a high motored guy, usually pretty good against the run, and when he's hot, he's hot. Last year, him and Kelsay played almost every snap of the first eight games because we didn't have any backups. His stats were low for a reason. And just because he isn't getting sacks doesn't necessarily mean he's not getting pressure. That being said, I don't think I would put Schobel up there in the top 5 DE category; I don't know if you could put him in the top 7. The top guys consistently get pressure on the quarterback game in and game out. With Schobel, it is a lot of streakiness in his game. I consider him more of a Phil Hansen guy, but obviously better. I've been saying for years that I think the Bills need that crazy, big and nasty compliment to Schobel that terrorizes quarterbacks and allows him to not be doubleteamed. Granted, you have to give a lot of credit to the guy for being the only name on that line the last couple of years. My other criticism of Schobel is leadership. There's a reason why Chris Kelsay is a captain and Schobel is not. You can pass it off that Schobel is a soft spoken guy, but you expect the guy that was the highest paid player on your team (that goes to Lee now) to at least take some sort of leadership role. I've never once (correct me if I'm wrong) heard Schobel shoulder any blame in one game over the past eight years. What I do hear is jaded talk and a defensive attitude about his play. I'm not quite sold on the fact that the other players on the defense like the guy too much. I think sometimes he can take a petulant childish attitude towards the game. I'm not sold on the fact that he wants to be in Buffalo either (other than the fact that he's making 7 mil a year (who would turn that down). He's seen so many tough years, I wouldn't blame the guy. I wouldn't be suprised that when the two sides do (if they do) part ways, Schobel might take some cheap shots out the door (a la Miro Satan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 J.T. O'Sullivan??? Only if JT is the resurrected Joe Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Last year, him and Kelsay played almost every snap of the first eight games because we didn't have any backups. Not true. There were plenty of times early in the season when the long snapper/alleged DE O'Neill was in the game because the DL coach was hell bent on his rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Fans with poor knowledge of the game only look at Sacks when it comes to DE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Not true. There were plenty of times early in the season when the long snapper/alleged DE O'Neill was in the game because the DL coach was hell bent on his rotation. Is this a joke? If so, props to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Some of u guys need to start a Schobel fan club. U can create your own fan site and wear his jersey as you have your tea party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Is this a joke? If so, props to you... It's not a joke. I was having a fit last year when they kept trotting O'Neill out there to play DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movinon Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I thought Jesus Christ was the QB for the 49'ers? Man I'm confused. Wow, and here I thought he played linebacker for the Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 It's not a joke. I was having a fit last year when they kept trotting O'Neill out there to play DE. Yes I remember, but I would hardly call it a "rotation." I watched every game last year, and I don't remember him on the field for more than 5 plays. Could be wrong of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 ESPN.com says he had 10 total tackles last year. So I guess it was more than 5 plays, but I still don't remember him playing all that much in a "rotation." I also remember Schobel and Kelsay playing almost every snap in the first 8 games. Too bad they don't keep those kind of stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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