Sisyphean Bills Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Apparently, there are numerous people here that knew this exact fact. They just decided not to mention they knew it until 3-4 years later. http://archive.profootballweekly.com/conte...iams_021102.asp If you read between the lines, Nunez does hint at exactly this possibility. He, of course, supported his guy and believed Mike would rise to the challenge and develop a vicious streak; but, in hindsight, we all know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Apparently, there are numerous people here that knew this exact fact. They just decided not to mention they knew it until 3-4 years later. Yep, the infamous armchair hindsight talent evaluators, AKA the "I told you so's." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 You're basing this on his first pre-season and he's a bust? Take a look at Mario Williams. well done, he may become sack leader this year and many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't think one preseason defines a player. If it did, McKelvin would be defined as strictly a return specialist. When it comes strictly to CB play, in PRESEASON, Aquib Talib of Tampa has looked MUCH BETTER than McKelvin, & he was a later pick. It will be interesting to see which of them develops into the better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Just as long as we beat the Jets twice this year that's all that matters. I think the Jets will anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't think their drafts are as bad as this thread makes it but they're definitely not good. http://archive.profootballweekly.com/conte...iams_021102.asp If you read between the lines, Nunez does hint at exactly this possibility. He, of course, supported his guy and believed Mike would rise to the challenge and develop a vicious streak; but, in hindsight, we all know better. Williams didn't have a vicious streak!!!! You shoulda seen the way he attacked those chicken wings!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I think the Jets two biggest blunders, leaving Marino on the board and taking Ken Obrien and picking Blair Thomas #2 overall. However they have had some good picks up till the last 8 years. I believe they had 4 first rounders in 2000, they busted on TE Anthony Becht, and got mileage out of an average QB in Pennington the other two picks where good picks in Abraham and Ellis. Santana Moss was their first pick in 01 and he is a system WR that can hit a big play from time to time but not first round material. The next two years where busts in Bryan Thomas and Robertson especially considering a big trade up for Robertson. Vilama was a good pick if not for injuries and Scheme changes. Two years ago They possibly have a bust in Ferguson but a gem in Managold, and Last year I thought Revis looked terrible. However up till two years ago the Bills had a decade of bad drafts except for the Clements, Henry, Schobel, Jennings draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownments22 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I didn't want Williams or McKinnie. I wanted them to trade back and take Levi Jones. Similarly, I wanted them to trade back in 1997 and take Corey Dillon instead of Antowain Smith. Antowain Smith=Super Bowl Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I look at it like this - who cares whether the fans wanted him or not? We all know Marv's saying about listening to the fans...all I care is that the FO does their due diligence and makes the right pick. A lot of fans saw Williams' Texas pedigree and his towering physique and thought the same as a lot of reporters/draftniks - that he was a lock to be a dominating OT for a long time in a Buffalo uniform. Who knew he wasn't mentally tough enough to develop into the player everyone thought he could be? his work ethic was questioned while he was in college so no one should have been surprised when it was questioned in the NFL Texas pedigree? I dont have a list so dont ask but there were a couple Texas O-lineman that came out before Williams that underachived in the NFL ( L.Davis being one ), say what you want about trends and every player being different but there are times when players at particular schools playing certain positions that look better then they actually are....every year there seems to be a tall athletic WR at Michigan that excels in the Big Ten but ends up not doing a thing in the NFL....yes there are exceptions like Braylon Edwards and Amani Toomer but most look like cant miss players at college but are never heard from in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Antowain Smith=Super Bowl Champion Two-time Super Bowl Champion. Who knew that all the Bills needed was to cheat by videotaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 his work ethic was questioned while he was in college so no one should have been surprised when it was questioned in the NFL Texas pedigree? I dont have a list so dont ask but there were a couple Texas O-lineman that came out before Williams that underachived in the NFL ( L.Davis being one ), say what you want about trends and every player being different but there are times when players at particular schools playing certain positions that look better then they actually are....every year there seems to be a tall athletic WR at Michigan that excels in the Big Ten but ends up not doing a thing in the NFL....yes there are exceptions like Braylon Edwards and Amani Toomer but most look like cant miss players at college but are never heard from in the NFL How about Penn State skill position players. DJ Dozier, Blair Thomas, Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis,OJ McDuffie, Braynt Johnson and I am sure there is someone I am leaving off this list. As good LBers that they send to the pros(-minus Lavar Arrington) they seem to struggle every where else. Including DLinemen see Courtney Brown and Kennedy the Rams first pick acouple of years ago at DT. I think JoePa slips scouts some purple koolaid and puts subliminal messages on the video tapes saying his players are first round guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 his work ethic was questioned while he was in college so no one should have been surprised when it was questioned in the NFL Texas pedigree? I dont have a list so dont ask but there were a couple Texas O-lineman that came out before Williams that underachived in the NFL ( L.Davis being one ), say what you want about trends and every player being different but there are times when players at particular schools playing certain positions that look better then they actually are....every year there seems to be a tall athletic WR at Michigan that excels in the Big Ten but ends up not doing a thing in the NFL....yes there are exceptions like Braylon Edwards and Amani Toomer but most look like cant miss players at college but are never heard from in the NFL A lot of casual fans don't look at patterns of previous busts or successes from a particular school. They look at big school = good player. He's from Miami, he's from Texas, he's from USC, so he must be better than player Y from a smaller school. I don't recall his work ethic being questioned in college, and I don't follow the draft that closely. It might not have been news to the people who digest college scouting reports and draft guides, but to everyone else it probably was a surprise that he didn't seem to have the heart to be a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I watched alot of Ohio State games last year and Golston cashed in on a big game against Michigan, other than that you didnt really hear alot from him through out the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 drafting Antowain Smith was wrong in every kind of way, he was an older college player playing a position with a shelf life of 5 years in the NFL...granted he was able to hang around but certainly never performed like a first round RB which is funny because Dillon played like a first round RB but dropped to the 3rd round because of off the field issues what was so wrong with antowain smith?i think he did pretty good when he was here.when we drafted him thurman was still the starter.we took our time with smith and he was good for the bills in the beginning.we cut him and he gets a superbowl ring with the patriots.they seemed to know how to use him properly...........go bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Williams isnt the best example considering 99% of Bills fans didnt want him IIRC, he was the concensus choice by about half this board.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I think the Jets two biggest blunders, leaving Marino on the board and taking Ken Obrien and picking Blair Thomas #2 overall. However they have had some good picks up till the last 8 years. I believe they had 4 first rounders in 2000, they busted on TE Anthony Becht, and got mileage out of an average QB in Pennington the other two picks where good picks in Abraham and Ellis. Santana Moss was their first pick in 01 and he is a system WR that can hit a big play from time to time but not first round material. The next two years where busts in Bryan Thomas and Robertson especially considering a big trade up for Robertson. Vilama was a good pick if not for injuries and Scheme changes. Two years ago They possibly have a bust in Ferguson but a gem in Managold, and Last year I thought Revis looked terrible. However up till two years ago the Bills had a decade of bad drafts except for the Clements, Henry, Schobel, Jennings draft. Ken O'Brien was a damn good QB. Many teams passed on Marino, but taking O'Brien worked out OK for them. O'Brien lead the league in passing a couple of times. O'Brien was probably one of their better QB's ever to play in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 The draft is a crapshoot. See (OT) Mike Williams. its not like our top pick is starting on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkmil Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 people were also saying he was a salary cap genius which i never understood because all he did was cut a bunch of players...I was surprised how long it took Bills fans to come around and realize TD was severely overrated I wanted McKinnie from day one. First of all you dont take a RT in the top 5 that you dont plan on moving to LT ( and they didnt ) and was probably better suited for Guard and you definately dont take a RT over a LT who was obviously the better player i dont remember that much fanfair for Williams when he was drafted but I could be wrong...maybe its been so long that I blocked it out The thing with TD was he made the sexy moves that blinded some of us, me included. Trading for bledsoe, signing spikes kept the bills in the headlines and we like that. It covered the fact the fact that he wasn't drafting well and wasn't building out depth or our lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 what was so wrong with antowain smith?i think he did pretty good when he was here.when we drafted him thurman was still the starter.we took our time with smith and he was good for the bills in the beginning.we cut him and he gets a superbowl ring with the patriots.they seemed to know how to use him properly...........go bills! Antowain's problems were He wouldn't put in the necessary work in the off-season to translate his talent to the next level. He remained a midling back for his career. I think because of the point above he wasn't capable of becoming a powerful interior runner. For his size and natural build, he was surprisingly timid in running style. The thing with TD was he made the sexy moves that blinded some of us, me included. Trading for bledsoe, signing spikes kept the bills in the headlines and we like that. It covered the fact the fact that he wasn't drafting well and wasn't building out depth or our lines. Translation: he ran the team like a fan and not a football man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't think one preseason defines a player. If it did, McKelvin would be defined as strictly a return specialist. Sure Gholston did not have a good preseason but can anyone credit McKelvin with any better play on defense? McKelvin is a beast of a returner, if he pans out as only a returner the pick will be absolutely wasted IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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