Lurker Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 PFW Looks At The Best Players to Ever Play the 3-4 Defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Bruce Smith didn't win the RE spot, but got the second most amount of votes for the LE?? Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Who were the idiots "voting" on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Who were the idiots "voting" on this? According to the article they were: Partial list of voters: John Ralston, Joe Collier, Paul Wiggin, Monte Clark, Mike Giddings, Merlin Olsen, John Hannah, Harry Carson, Joe DeLamielleure, Dave Pear, Jerry Sisemore, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood, Dan Dierdorf, Fred Smerlas, Dan Hampton, Tony Siragusa, Kevin Greene, Randy Gradishar, Elvin Bethea, Phil Olsen, Stan Jones, Manny Fernandez, Andre Tippett, L.C. Greenwood, Don Macek, Ed White, Dave Wilson, Sam Huff, Joe Klecko. (Some voters, not listed above, participated on the condition of anonymity.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 According to the article they were: Partial list of voters: John Ralston, Joe Collier, Paul Wiggin, Monte Clark, Mike Giddings, Merlin Olsen, John Hannah, Harry Carson, Joe DeLamielleure, Dave Pear, Jerry Sisemore, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood, Dan Dierdorf, Fred Smerlas, Dan Hampton, Tony Siragusa, Kevin Greene, Randy Gradishar, Elvin Bethea, Phil Olsen, Stan Jones, Manny Fernandez, Andre Tippett, L.C. Greenwood, Don Macek, Ed White, Dave Wilson, Sam Huff, Joe Klecko. (Some voters, not listed above, participated on the condition of anonymity.) That was kind of rhetorical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 According to the article they were: Partial list of voters: John Ralston, Joe Collier, Paul Wiggin, Monte Clark, Mike Giddings, Merlin Olsen, John Hannah, Harry Carson, Joe DeLamielleure, Dave Pear, Jerry Sisemore, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood, Dan Dierdorf, Fred Smerlas, Dan Hampton, Tony Siragusa, Kevin Greene, Randy Gradishar, Elvin Bethea, Phil Olsen, Stan Jones, Manny Fernandez, Andre Tippett, L.C. Greenwood, Don Macek, Ed White, Dave Wilson, Sam Huff, Joe Klecko. (Some voters, not listed above, participated on the condition of anonymity.) Let's blame that POS Smerlas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Bruce Smith is not on the list!? Well so much for any respect for Pro Football Weakly is out the door. Bruce Smith not on the list?! Dumb things man, dumb things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 DRE Lee Roy Selmon Notes: Nine seasons, seven Pro Bowls, four-time NFLPA NFC Defensive Lineman of the Year. Sacks: 78 Tackles: 742 Forced fumbles: 28 Fumbles recovered: 10 DLE Howie Long Notes: Thirteen seasons, eight Pro Bowls, 1989 NEA co-Defensive Player of the Year, 1985 NFL Alumni Defensive Lineman of the Year, NFLPA AFC Defensive Lineman of the Year (1984, 1985). Sacks: 91½ Forced fumbles: 14 Bruce Smith: 19 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, twice NFL defensive player of the year Sacks: 200 Tackles: 1224 Forced Fumbles: 46 Although I suppose one should subtract Bruce's numbers in the Redskins' 4-3, in which case it's 181 - 1111 - 40 in 16 seasons. Yeah, great list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Let's blame that POS Smerlas. Evidently even HE forgot that he played behind Jim Burt in San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Except for the Bruce problem, it's actually a good, informative piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 PFW Looks At The Best Players to Ever Play the 3-4 Defense I'm not sure that whomever they asked to vote knew that Smith was in a 3-4. Otherwise what is one to make of that. Smith should be second after LT bar none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 DRE Lee Roy SelmonNotes: Nine seasons, seven Pro Bowls, four-time NFLPA NFC Defensive Lineman of the Year. Sacks: 78 Tackles: 742 Forced fumbles: 28 Fumbles recovered: 10 DLE Howie Long Notes: Thirteen seasons, eight Pro Bowls, 1989 NEA co-Defensive Player of the Year, 1985 NFL Alumni Defensive Lineman of the Year, NFLPA AFC Defensive Lineman of the Year (1984, 1985). Sacks: 91½ Forced fumbles: 14 Bruce Smith: 19 (14) seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, twice NFL defensive player of the year Sacks: 200 (164) Tackles: 1224 Forced Fumbles: 46 (32) Although I suppose one should subtract Bruce's numbers in the Redskins' 4-3, in which case it's 181 - 1111 - 40 in 16 seasons. Yeah, great list. That actually gets even more impressive when you consider that Smith made the Pro Bowl in 11 of his first 14 seasons. His last five were merely stringing out trying to chase White's sack record. Smith didn't do much in his last few seasons. Otherwise his totals are in blue parenthesis. That's ridiculously more impressive than Long's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Bruce Smith didn't win the RE spot, but got the second most amount of votes for the LE?? Makes sense. The voters probably forgot that the Bills played a 3-4 defense how else would the second most prominant pass rusher be overlooked? Bruce Smith Lets see 1985-1999 3-4 defense 11x prowbowl 12x all pro 4x AFC player of the year 2x NFL defensive player of the year 200 career sacks - 29 from washington 2000-2003=171 sacks from 85-99 Howie Long 81-93 8x prowbowl 6x all pro 2x NFL Defensive player of the year 1 x AFC Defensive player of the year 91.5 career stats Sorry but it looks like bruce got the shaft to me unless there are 4-3 years I am over looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 Sorry but it looks like bruce got the shaft to me unless there are 4-3 years I am over looking. Too bad Bruce never had the talent for an on-air network gig. Long's TV work is the only thing that keeps him from being an afterthought among good-but-not-great ex-players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Except for the Bruce problem, it's actually a good, informative piece. Problem is, "the Bruce problem" throws all credibility out the window. Bills fan or not, the only DEs who can even be debated as being better than Bruce are Reggie White and Deacon Jones. Period. Howie Schlong??? Puh-lease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Problem is, "the Bruce problem" throws all credibility out the window. Bills fan or not, the only DEs who can even be debated as being better than Bruce are Reggie White and Deacon Jones. Period. Howie Schlong??? Puh-lease. Howie Long was a good, no...a very good DE, IMO. But, he does NOT belong in the HOF, and his name shouldn't have even come up, when making this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 Problem is, "the Bruce problem" throws all credibility out the window. Bills fan or not, the only DEs who can even be debated as being better than Bruce are Reggie White and Deacon Jones. Period. Howie Schlong??? Puh-lease. All-decade teams of the 1980s AND 1990s It amazes me that PFW even thought that 'poll' was worth publishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 That actually gets even more impressive when you consider that Smith made the Pro Bowl in 11 of his first 14 seasons. His last five were merely stringing out trying to chase White's sack record. Smith didn't do much in his last few seasons. Otherwise his totals are in blue parenthesis. That's ridiculously more impressive than Long's. It shouldnt even be a conversation..The best DE to play a 3 4 def is Bruce Smith..End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 All-decade teams of the 1980s AND 1990s So what's your point?? PFW's poll was on the best DE's EVER, not just the '80s and '90s. Long played for a "glamour" team and, while an above average DE, he couldn't hold the jock of either Reggie White or Bruce Smith, let alone Deacon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 total joke. when you look at DEs in the 3-4 since, you realize how insane bruce was. when people tell me LT or white were better than bruce, they often bring up how each changed how their positions were played. i point out that bruce played the position in way that no one before or since has ever been capable of playing. being lined up over the tackle for nearly every play in your career and still leading the nfl all time in sacks. if smith were a 4-3 for his entire career he would have cracked 30 in more than one year. his playoff sack numbers would be redunk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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