Mile High Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 NFL GRAPEVINE PRICE FOR TURNER: In talking to some people around the league I'm hearing that Chargers RFA RB Michael Turner could be had for a high second round pick. That obviously limits the number of teams that could make a play for Turner to those at or near the top of the second round this year, if that is the true asking price. I suppose if a team that wasn't at the top of the second round was desperate enough they could offer a first. It wouldn't surprise me if teams that are interested try to wait it out though. San Diego GM A.J. Smith would obviously love to get value this year for a player that will likely be out the door for nothing next year. The longer he waits the less he will likely get in return for Turner. Of course if just one team can't land the RB they want in the draft he could get lucky and name his price. While some teams might like the talent that Turner brings, there is the other deterrent of signing him to a lucrative long term deal. I don't know if I'd give up a first for him, but I'd have to strongly consider giving up a 2nd if that's indeed all it would take. Again it's just rumblings I'm hearing. Nothing definitive. We'll have to see if Turner talk heats up around the league. Stay tuned. You think the closer we get to the draft the asking price for Turner may drop? Would you give up the Bills second round pick for the guy? Interesting..... Edit: And if Chris Brown is "hearing" this it might mean that the Bills are looking at Turner as an option. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills2279 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 You think the closer we get to the draft the asking price for Turner may drop? Would you give up the Bills second round pick for the guy? Interesting..... Edit: And if Chris Brown is "hearing" this it might mean that the Bills are looking at Turner as an option. Right? I wouldn't give up the second for him considering Bush should be available in the second and I think I'd take him over Turner. Even though I still feel that neither is the answer right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 id rather go Hunt/Irons/Pittman over trading away our 2nd for Turner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Even though I think this 2nd tier of RBs is quite weak, for the price tag of a 2nd, I would not be interested in Turner. I don't like trading premium picks for backups. For a 2nd day pick, I think it might be a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'd seriously consider one of our 3rd rders for Turner. This would still give us three first day picks, two being somewhat early 1st and 2nd rder. We could draft some big time players with these picks while we solidify our RB situation with a 3rd rder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 id rather go Hunt/Irons/Pittman over trading away our 2nd for Turner. Congratulations, you've been found guilty of buying into the hype. A 2nd for turner woudl be a fair deal, a third would be a great deal for us. Each of those 3 backs you mentioned is COMPLETELY unproven at the NFL level. Turner has proven what he can do in limited duty. Hes about 6' tall and listed at 237. That would give him tony hunt size, but hes got irons' skills. Plus, its better that hes a backup. THe idea is to pick up a RB with minimal mileage on him. Turner certainly hasnt been overworked. Will he respond well to being, 'the guy'? Cant say for sure, could be the next LaMont Jordan, but I think its doubtfull. Since he is a RFA Id bet he wouldnt want anything more than the standard feature back price of about 23 mill for 5 years that ahman green got. I think hes worth it, hes definately better than green at this juncture. Positives: Proven commodity without sacrificing a first round pick. Negatives: Allows us less mobility in the draft. That being said, a draft day trade would be the preferable way to pull this off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I would offer one of our thirds..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 NO WAY! Because he's only proven to be an unproven backup. He hardly plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 NO WAY! Because he's only proven to be an unproven backup. He hardly plays. I don't suppose that would have anything to do with having the best player in the league in front of him? At this point, Michael Turner has proven FAR more than any RB available in the second round. Honestly, I don't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'll tell you what I would love to see. Come draft day we make a deal for Turner with one of our 3rd rders when it's time for us to pick and then we dupe Green Bay into swapping our 1st rd picks and gather more first day picks and just load up on some serious defensive players. Yeah Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I've been saying this for a while. The 1st and 3rd stuff has nothing to do with getting Turner. Offering the Chargers more than one year of a backup RB is worth is enough. While he is a good insurance policy for an LT injury, that's all he is to the Chargers and that probably isn't worth more to tham than the #44 pick. I follow the San Diego media here pretty closely, and he doesn't have the reputation here that he has elsewhere. I would absolutely offer our higher third for him without even thinking twice, and make it clear that offer is on the table. Giving up our 2nd is trickier. You really have to think he is going to be better than the other players we would get in the 2nd for one big reason: contract. Obviously we aren't trading for a one year rental, so we would need to pay him a lot more than our #2 pick to keep him around for the five years our #2 pick would be in town. So his play has to be expected to be enough better than the players available at #44 to offset his significantly higher cost over the same years. I think our football team needs to keep 2008 in mind with all of our moves. I don't say this as a pessimist, and I expect great things of 2007, but the Willis deal helped us get better 2008 and beyond. Giving up our 2nd rounder for Turner is a big commitment, and signing a long term deal before he has played as a starter is very risky. So a third in a heart beat, which would make us better by also allowing us to spend our second rounder on D. But the second rounder could be a little steep and needs to be weighed more carefully between contract and talent evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WR25 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I would take Turner over Bush, Irons, and Pittman in a second. Turner, IMO, is the next Larry Johnson. The flashes that he shows when he is given the chance to play are enough to get me excited. Look at his stats in his 3 years in San Diego, 157 carries, 941 yards, 6.0 yards per carry, 5 tds. Do the math, the guy could be a huge pick up if he is given half a chance. Yes, I realize that it's not a sure thing, and I know he hasn't carried the ball more than 80 times in a season, but you're taking a chance no matter what you do, so why not him? How is everyone so sure that any of these other backs are going to be any good? No one knows. I have a gut feeling that Turner, no matter where he ends up, is going to be a star once he gets his chane to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I agree that he is good, maybe even special. The next larry johnson I am not so sure of. I bet hes a lot more pleasant to have in the locker room than LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 You don't average over 4 yards in the NFL without being a good back. I wish we could get him for a 3rd, that would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Tell AJ this, he can have what we got for McGahee this year and that's the second 3rd rder and the 7th rder. That's it, case closed. That would be like trading McGahee for Turner and Baltimore's 2008 3rd rder. If that was laid out on the table before we traded McGoofey, we would have jumped all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Tell AJ this, he can have what we got for McGahee this year and that's the second 3rd rder and the 7th rder. That's it, case closed. That would be like trading McGahee for Turner and Baltimore's 2008 3rd rder. If that was laid out on the table before we traded McGoofey, we would have jumped all over it. If that trade occurs I better have a clean pair of pants around when word gets to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Rocceo, you kill me! That would be a sweet trade though. C'mon Marv, GIT ER DONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I would start off offering a 3rd, if they don't bite, offer both of Baltimore's thirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I don't think that a 3rd will get it done. San Diego doesn't have enough holes to fill to need extra picks just for the sake of extra picks. But I would definitely put AJ on speed dial and push that hard. I would definitely rather have Turner than most of the 2nd round running backs, with the caveat being the contact issue I mentioned. If we give up a 2nd to get him, we have to also know we will keep him without breaking the bank. When do you sign that long term extension? Before he has ever started a game? Halfway through the season, hoping he doesn't want to test free agency after all? After the season when he might start to cost open market prices (and we could have waited to sign him anyway, so gave up a 2nd for a one year rental and an inside track on a free agent)? Just as a player I would rather have him than the backs we are considering taking with our #44 pick, but the contact issue makes it trickier. That said, all things considered I would try to push for this deal and see what might happen. Maybe bring the idea of a swap of seconds into play? That worked for the Jets. Swap of seconds and a lower pick? Get somebody on it Marv, and don't stop trying to find a good deal for us until draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquix Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Maybe im missing something. 502 yards, 6.3 avg, 2 TD's, 7 twenty+ yard runs, and 24 first downs ... as a backup. He had over 500 yards, and 24 first downs, as a backup - aka receiving minimal carries. As I said. Maybe im missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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