34-78-83 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 if they didn't matter then why do they have them? They are sources of information and all the beat writers use them in their stories. Media coverage IS pretty important because they can influence the perception of the team by the fanbase. 583120[/snapback] They are purely informational to me. I don't try to gain anything in the theatrics or opinions from the media as they fail us more often than not with their interpretations. In fact I believe they are currently weilding too much influence over the fanbase, whether that is the fault of fans themselves or the media I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Russells? Russell? I think you mean Russert. 583126[/snapback] Oh Crap.....That's one too few coffee's this morning.....I guess I was just conecting the dots, this Russert kid is going to have a sports radio show on XM. I guess my dots got all funcked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 that's true. I am only suggesting that the losses will be more acrimonious if his PCs are conducted like they were in Chicago. Remember, football isn't real life - it is just entertainment. Having a coach with likable personality would help get fans over the rough spots. 583124[/snapback] Bull. Mularkey had a likeable personality when he came here. The press will spin things any way they want. If the coach uses "personality" and the press decides they don't like him, he's "being flippant about losses, like he doesn't care." If he's all ticked off and pounding on the podium he's "out of control, a madman who has lost his grip." If you're calm, deliberate, you're an "emotionless statue with no passion." There is no winning in the press conferences when you are losing, especially if the press decides up front that they don't like you (which most of the press in Buffalo is going to decide on any one stupid enough to come to our town and coach our loser Bills...[their attitude, not mine]). Just like here it's so much easier to push doom and gloom when the coach gets here, as it stands as a cornerstone if the team fails, and easily swept under the rug if the team doesn't. Jauron is right, winning is the only cure for criticism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 that's right. he gets around it by winning. hopefully we will get so lucky. 583152[/snapback] hopefully we will. Just being an open minded bastard...that's all...kinda like point/counter point...perhaps I should preceed my counter points with "Scott you ignorant slut"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Heres the thing: Winning with exciting PC = Great Winning with boring PC = No problems Losing with exciting PC = Tolerated Losing with boring/defensive PC = Hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 that's right. he gets around it by winning. hopefully we will get so lucky. 583152[/snapback] And hopefully he will stop winning God wouldn't it be great to see the genius start losing and be knocked off his pedestal and actually be derided for his dour, arrogant behavior... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Bull. Mularkey had a likeable personality when he came here. The press will spin things any way they want. If the coach uses "personality" and the press decides they don't like him, he's "being flippant about losses, like he doesn't care." If he's all ticked off and pounding on the podium he's "out of control, a madman who has lost his grip." If you're calm, deliberate, you're an "emotionless statue with no passion." There is no winning in the press conferences when you are losing, especially if the press decides up front that they don't like you (which most of the press in Buffalo is going to decide on any one stupid enough to come to our town and coach our loser Bills...[their attitude, not mine]). Just like here it's so much easier to push doom and gloom when the coach gets here, as it stands as a cornerstone if the team fails, and easily swept under the rug if the team doesn't. Jauron is right, winning is the only cure for criticism.... 583166[/snapback] there are many levels to "likeability". I don't believe MM really handled himself well, but admittedly I haven't seen as much of him as the locals. IMHO, a guy who says nothing in his PCs will have a shorter leash than one who works with the press a little more. Maybe the difference isn't enough to argue about, but even if you put the press aside, I think DJ's demeanor will grow much more quickly with the fanbase. Especially given the circumstances of his hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Heres the thing: Winning with exciting PC = Great Winning with boring PC = No problems Losing with exciting PC = Tolerated Losing with boring/defensive PC = Hell 583171[/snapback] That is how I see it, others may disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 there are many levels to "likeability". I don't believe MM really handled himself well, but admittedly I haven't seen as much of him as the locals. IMHO, a guy who says nothing in his PCs will have a shorter leash than one who works with the press a little more. Maybe the difference isn't enough to argue about, but even if you put the press aside, I think DJ's demeanor will grow much more quickly with the fanbase. Especially given the circumstances of his hiring. 583187[/snapback] True. Look at what Herm Edwards' media charm bought him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Winning what matters, not likeability, personality, good looks, etc. Take a look at most of the successful HC's; they're all stiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 That may not be more than wishful thinking. From what I read - the guy is an emotionless statue and his PCs are utterly useless. He is known for saying nothing... What may seem refreshing now will grow very, very old if this team hits a losing streak. 583102[/snapback] Sounds like Andy Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Get Lucky and Not Have Injuries. Great strategy. 583121[/snapback] Ask Cincinatti if not getting injured is important. Just an unlucky event causes Carson Palmer to get injured and they lose the game. So yes, what is Jauron is saying is 100% correct. There is a lot of luck involved with a winning season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 What you want to do is have opponent "be threatened" by running game. Need to establish run to open pass - but need to be able to run and pass. <repeated injury/luck comment> 582777[/snapback] Apparently he didn't notice Pittsburg's winning game plan at Indy. Hey Dick, sometimes you need to attack when the defense is loading up the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 Apparently he didn't notice Pittsburg's winning game plan at Indy. Hey Dick, sometimes you need to attack when the defense is loading up the line. 583318[/snapback] Actually - in his defense I think he mentioned something about how you can also obviously also attack and threaten w/ a passing game (Randy Moss). I don't think the statement should be construed to mean he thinks you need to keep running regardless of what the defense gives you - just that you need to have a running game which the defense needs to account for (because you threaten them with it) - which can in turn open up other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Actually - in his defense I think he mentioned something about how you can also obviously also attack and threaten w/ a passing game (Randy Moss). I don't think the statement should be construed to mean he thinks you need to keep running regardless of what the defense gives you - just that you need to have a running game which the defense needs to account for (because you threaten them with it) - which can in turn open up other options. 583326[/snapback] The whole situation pretty much underscores the underlying point though: people don't like the Jauron decision, so they will use every friggin' cliche he has said against him. His answers in pressers have been the "perfect," most milquetoast cliched answers to give, but every one of those answers is "wrong" because of the exception arguments against the cliches. The bottom line is that he was not saying that you run the ball every play into a stacked up box of 9 men, but that if you establish that you can run the ball, resulting in the opposing defenses putting 9 in the box, then it gives you room to throw. Teams will not stack up against the run if you have no established ground game, you need to make them respect your running capabilities. But no, the masses hear "run first" and figure he'll run the ball even if the defense puts all 11 guys "in the box" when you're lined up with 4 wide-outs... Maybe I cut my "vacation" too short... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Let's not get carried away with this PC personality thing. Brian Billick comes across great at PC's. Maybe that's why he still has a job. Bill Parcells bullies everybody at his PC's. He wins everywhere. Dennis Green is charming. He's still yesterday's so-so coach for Minnesota and today's loser in Arizona. Mike Ditka gave great press conferences. Tom Landry didn't. Lou Saban often talked too much. Chuck Knox never said anything but he said it with passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Apparently he didn't notice Pittsburg's winning game plan at Indy. Hey Dick, sometimes you need to attack when the defense is loading up the line. 583318[/snapback] yeah...and having that idiot kicker miss the tying field goal didn't hurt...LUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Bull. Mularkey had a likeable personality when he came here. The press will spin things any way they want. If the coach uses "personality" and the press decides they don't like him, he's "being flippant about losses, like he doesn't care." If he's all ticked off and pounding on the podium he's "out of control, a madman who has lost his grip." If you're calm, deliberate, you're an "emotionless statue with no passion." There is no winning in the press conferences when you are losing, especially if the press decides up front that they don't like you (which most of the press in Buffalo is going to decide on any one stupid enough to come to our town and coach our loser Bills...[their attitude, not mine]). Just like here it's so much easier to push doom and gloom when the coach gets here, as it stands as a cornerstone if the team fails, and easily swept under the rug if the team doesn't. Jauron is right, winning is the only cure for criticism.... 583166[/snapback] thank god he wears a head set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kultarr Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Bull. Mularkey had a likeable personality when he came here. The press will spin things any way they want. If the coach uses "personality" and the press decides they don't like him, he's "being flippant about losses, like he doesn't care." If he's all ticked off and pounding on the podium he's "out of control, a madman who has lost his grip." If you're calm, deliberate, you're an "emotionless statue with no passion." There is no winning in the press conferences when you are losing, especially if the press decides up front that they don't like you (which most of the press in Buffalo is going to decide on any one stupid enough to come to our town and coach our loser Bills...[their attitude, not mine]). Just like here it's so much easier to push doom and gloom when the coach gets here, as it stands as a cornerstone if the team fails, and easily swept under the rug if the team doesn't. Jauron is right, winning is the only cure for criticism.... 583166[/snapback] ... which is exactly why "calling out the media" is such a stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 As shocked as I was when he was hired, I thought the same thing while watching his press conference. I relayed the info from the presser to a buddy who thought he was being too wishy-washy. I responded that it wasn't wishy-washy, but that he wasn't trying to blow smoke up our collective arses. I may live to regret this, but I'm really starting to like this guy's style, his mindset: No BS, what you see is what you get, and don't expect him to go out of his way to tell you what you want to hear. I'm more than a little cool with that. 582880[/snapback] You may like his style just fine. What matters is results. Some fans are guilty of the same things that Wilson and Marv, and Donahoe, are criticized for. Falling into a supportive role simply because someone's a good guy. Everyone loved Mularkey from what I can remember, but look at his record. So, Jauron and Levy are beautiful people. That still doesn't mean that either knows what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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