LOST 2.11 Discussion Thread

[UConn James]

Jack, Locke and Sawyer follow after a determined Michael after he heads into the jungle toward the dreaded "Others" in search of Walt. Meanwhile, Sun has a surprising reaction to Jin's desire to join the search party, and Hurley and Charlie commiserate over the age-old conundrum of "what women want."

 

The title of this episode is a reference to the 1971 western movie about a man who kills out of revenge for his wife's abduction

 

This is a Jack-centric ep.

[Puhonix]

Does that mean Jack flashbacks?

[UConn James]

That's what the "centric" usually means.

 

Should be good. Haven't had much depth from Jack in a while, and there's still a lot of questions revolving around him. How did the marriage to Sarah end?

 

Also, I'm growing a little more convinced that Michael is hallucinating the messages on the computer. However, there is that breathy sound clip in the preview for tonight that, "This is our island!"

[duey]

Are we really missing anything from Jacks backstory?

 

I'm looking forward to some good Sawyerisms...it's been a while.

 

Michael is starting to annoy me. Did they say only one main character is going to buy it this season?

[Puhonix]

Michael is starting to annoy me.  Did they say only one main character is going to buy it this season? 

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When was this said?

[UConn James]

I'm looking forward to some good Sawyerisms...it's been a while.

 

Michael is starting to annoy me.  Did they say only one main character is going to buy it this season? 

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There's a Sawyer-centric coming up in a couple weeks, I think.

 

I would be surprised if no other major characters die this year. My money is on either Charlie... or... get ready.... Locke.

[Turf Toejam]

I would guess Jin buys it, and Michael 'horns in' on Sun.

[duey]

There's a Sawyer-centric coming up in a couple weeks, I think.

 

I would be surprised if no other major characters die this year. My money is on either Charlie... or... get ready.... Locke.

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Nah...Locke is going to end up opposing Eko in some way down the road. Charlie is a good guess though.

[Puhonix]

Who the hell is that Santa Claus?!?!?!

[RJsackedagain]

I would guess Jin buys it, and Michael 'horns in' on Sun.

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Or Walt returns and hooks up with Sun

[NCDAWG]

I noticed in the scene with his wife in bed jack did not have any of the tattos on his arms...just an observation. Wonder who his wife was sleeping with?

[duey]

Who the hell is that Santa Claus?!?!?!

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Why...that would be "Zeke."

 

Now that was an interesting episode. Some thoughts...

 

The Jack backstory filled in some holes, but didn't do much else for me.

 

The face to face with Zeke was great...pretty unexpected and very entertaining.

 

I liked the scene where Sayid walks in on Charlie and Hurley listening to that "depressing" music.

 

Next weeks episode looks kind of wacky...I mean what's up with the baby at sea?

[SilverNRed]

Jack's Army!!

 

Loved that episode. I winced when Jack kissed that other broad and wanted to put my foot through the TV when Sarah said she was leaving him (and you know the other guy will be on the island or that Jack will have killed him at some point).

 

Though I seriously hate that they're going through with the Hurley-Cynthia Watros storyline. What the hell? I mean, WHAT THE HELL?

[cåblelady]

Next weeks episode looks kind of wacky...I mean what's up with the baby at sea? 

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Baby Moses.

[CosmicBills]

To me, this episode told us a lot about the others, or at least what they aren't:

 

1) the "Others" aren't the ones running the expirements on the lost-aways.

2)They are not the ones whispering.

3)Nor are they associated with the Dahrma Initiative.

*This is all based on the theory that the "whispers" are people experiementing on the lost-aways...if you don't buy that theory than my conclusions are meaningless...and I don't know if I buy that theory myself yet.

 

I say this because the lost-aways would gladly leave if someone would tell them how to. So there would be no need for the "Others" to give that whole speech unless the "Others" didn't know how to leave either.

 

So it seems like the "Others" were just there first. Maybe the first rats trapped in Darhma's maze.

 

That being said, it still bugged me. Once we saw the "others" were just people, I just kept thinking, "Jack Bauer could kill all these bastards...". I wanted to see a war -- it took some of the mystery away I guess.

 

Though I'm glad to hear Jack say he wants to form an army. They better get biblical on some of these "others" and end it quick! lol

[Ramius]

Jack's Army!!

 

Loved that episode.  I winced when Jack kissed that other broad and wanted to put my foot through the TV when Sarah said she was leaving him (and you know the other guy will be on the island or that Jack will have killed him at some point).

 

Though I seriously hate that they're going through with the Hurley-Cynthia Watros storyline.  What the hell?  I mean, WHAT THE HELL?

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I called the hurley-libby ptoential last week.

 

Give the man some credit, duey has got a chance to get some...

[Turf Toejam]

Maybe Zeke was part of Rousseau's crew?

 

Also, why did Zeke say where Walt was? All he said was "He is special".

 

WTF?

[The Jokeman]

I agree with SilverNRed's comment about Sarah's seeing somebody has to be someone on the island however I don't think Jack will know who he is but we viewers will. My immediate thoughts come to Sawyer but think that's too obvious.

 

I called the hurley-libby ptoential last week.

 

Give the man some credit, duey has got a chance to get some...

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Didn't you watch next week's preview when Hurley asks Libby, "Haven't we met before?" Let's not forget that Libby's a clinical psychologist and Hurley was in a nut house.....

 

 

Maybe Zeke was part of Rousseau's crew?

 

Also, why did Zeke say where Walt was?  All he said was "He is special".

 

WTF?

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This might relate to the belief Walt has special powers ie the ability to conjur an Australian bird after looking at a book and the belief he conjured a polar bear after looking at Hurley's comic book.

[duey]

Also, why did Zeke say where Walt was?  All he said was "He is special".

 

WTF?

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Zeke said that Walt was fine, and that he was very special. I agree with Jokeman...this alludes to Walt's ability to make things happen. Obviously, the Others knew this about him and that's why they took him. For what purpose we still need to learn more.

[The Poojer]

i thought it was odd that when Zeke was there and yelled something like "...Lights up..." and the torches lit, I am not convinced there was anyone else in the woods with him except kate and the "person" that pushed kate out. As the torches "dim out" you do not really see any movement of the trees to indicate other people leaving the area. It just struck me as odd. Why did Jack become so beligerent with Zeke from the onset, he did not know who he was....maybe he could have asked reasonable questions like "where are we", "who are you", "how did you get here", "how long have you been here" etc......

 

And from last week, how did Eko happen upon the exact same mysterious island that his brother crashed on?

[Spun]

Both Jack and Freckles are starting to bother me for their stupidity. Of course Blackbeards Ghost / Zeke was with more of the "Others". Stay away from the casinos Doc because calling "Zekes" bluff was weak. "Sawyer", Gin, Michael, Robocop (MR) and Rousseau would have made this clear by now that there were more. And Freckles just really what was she going to add to confronting the "Others"? I think they need to ally with Rousseau. She me be wack but Doc and the crew could benefit from her "intelligence".

 

On a lighter note, "Sawyer" calling Locke Mr. Clean was hilarious! Even Locke laughed once he understood the reference!

[EZC-Boston]

Why did Jack become so beligerent with Zeke from the onset, he did not know who he was....maybe he could have asked reasonable questions like "where are we",  "who are you", "how did you get here",  "how long have you been here" etc......

 

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I agree with this part, how could he not ask any questions?

 

Also, it appears the others knew of the hatch, do you believe they were staying away for a reason? Or they were just letting Desmond chill because he was a nice neighbor?

 

Are we sure Zeke and Ethan were together? Wouldn't you expect Zeke to be a little pissed they killed Ethan?

[The Poojer]

oh come on now, now people are saying that zeke sounds like Jack's father? I just read that on another site, plus they are saying that he is the professor in the film? this show is outta control...in a good way though

[TheMadCap]

It would make way too much sense for Jack to ask Santa questions. I knew that they wouldn't even ask anything important, saw it a mile away.

 

This show really needs to pick it up. Yes, it's cool and all, but they need to throw us a few bones here...

[slothrop]

A few thoughts:

 

- I still like my "Matrix"/unwilling reality show participant theory

 

- What if Sawyer chose to use the name Sawyer on the island because Sarah did go to him after Jack. He is using the different name so JAck will not find out? Now that Locke insists on calling him "James" it may get interesting.

 

- I am sure the Italian daughter will be back;

 

- Again, repeating my theory, but - what if this is a form of experimental group phsycho-therapy where patients are hooked into a "matrix" virtual world and forced to address their demons? Not exactly AMA approved but that would be cool. Maybe the "Others" are like the nurses in "Once Flew Over a CoKoos Nest."

[Ramius]

It would make way too much sense for Jack to ask Santa questions. I knew that they wouldn't even ask anything important, saw it a mile away.

 

This show really needs to pick it up. Yes, it's cool and all, but they need to throw us a few bones here...

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I would agree with you. The show is still great, dont get me wrong, but this season i have noticed that the writers arent really ADVANCING the storyline. They seem to be writing in the same style as season 1, but thats not cutting it anymore. They've done an excellent job with the development, but they need more events to be happening. Its almost as if they are writing the show as a book, which doesnt usually work for TV.

Also, its almot as if they have too many things going on at once, and its like they almost forget all of the storylines they have.

 

Examples:

 

1. Where did desmond go? he was around for the first few eps and now no one seems ot mention anymore. I mean, it was onyl a week ago in island time.

 

2. The monster was missing from 1/2 way thru season 1 until last week, and no one even discusses it? Charlie says nothing about it?

 

3. We've barely seen sayid since shannon died. whats he been doing?

 

 

All in all, its a great show, and i love it, but i am starting to wonder where its going? I just hope it doesnt go slowly like this and then at the last minute they drop 8,000 things on us to solve the mystery.

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[Dr. Fong]

plus they are saying that he is the professor in the film?  this show is outta control...in a good way though

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There's actually quite a bit behind the Zeke=DeGroot argument. One of the most compelling to me is that Zeke quotes Hanso with the whole human curiousity thing.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

2. The monster was missing from 1/2 way thru season 1 until last week, and no one even discusses it? Charlie says nothing about it?

 

Don't forget...while it's been a year real-time, it's only been about 50 days total covered in the series. In terms of story line...maybe it's just that no one went near the forest with the monster in it for a week or two. If I knew there was a monster in the forest, I wouldn't go out there either.

 

3. We've barely seen sayid since shannon died. whats he been doing?

All in all, its a great show, and i love it, but i am starting to wonder where its going?

 

That's what happens with an ensemble cast. Doctors on ER used to disappear for a couple weeks at a time, as well. If you don't like it...tough. It's what happens with an ensemble cast. You can't cover everyone all the time.

 

I just hope it doesnt go slowly like this and then at the last minute they drop 8,000 things on us to solve the mystery.

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Of course they will.

[duey]

I would agree with you. The show is still great, dont get me wrong, but this season i have noticed that the writers arent really ADVANCING the storyline.

 

I see the storyline being filled in rather advancing all that much. The story is getting broader and more complicated as more people are coming into play. I think that as Jack and Ana pull together their army, the survivor storylines will pull together as well, with an ensuing push ahead towards learning more about the others and the island itself.

 

1. Where did desmond go? he was around for the first few eps and now no one seems ot mention anymore. I mean, it was onyl a week ago in island time.

 

That's why you haven't seen him. Too many other things going on, and to this point, he hasn't been included in any other storylines.

 

2. The monster was missing from 1/2 way thru season 1 until last week, and no one even discusses it? Charlie says nothing about it?

Again...too much other stuff going on. And remember, if that monster is part of a security system, it by now knows who is where...right?

 

3. We've barely seen sayid since shannon died. whats he been doing?

 

As evidenced by his less then cheerful demeanor, he's probably been off mourning Shannon. I imagine he'll kick it in next week with all this army business. And on that note...why did Jack ask Ana about starting an army when in fact Sayid actually had been in one?

 

I just hope it doesnt go slowly like this and then at the last minute they drop 8,000 things on us to solve the mystery.

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I think that if next season is indeed the last one, things are going to bust loose fast and furious as that season progresses. I will go out on a limb and speculate that the series finale of Lost will be one of the highest rated television shows in history.

[The Poojer]

who is this Hanso I hear so much about? was he a subject in an episode I fell asleep

 

There's actually quite a bit behind the Zeke=DeGroot argument.  One of the most compelling to me is that Zeke quotes Hanso with the whole human curiousity thing.

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[duey]

I see the storyline being filled in rather advancing all that much.  The story is getting broader and more complicated as more people are coming into play.  I think that as Jack and Ana pull together their army, the survivor storylines will pull together as well, with an ensuing push ahead towards learning more about the others and the island itself.

That's why you haven't seen him.  Too many other things going on, and to this point, he hasn't been included in any other storylines.

Again...too much other stuff going on.  And remember, if that monster is part of a security system, it by now knows who is where...right?

As evidenced by his less then cheerful demeanor, he's probably been off mourning Shannon.  I imagine he'll kick it in next week with all this army business.  And on that note...why did Jack ask Ana about starting an army when in fact Sayid actually had been in one?

I think that if next season is indeed the last one, things are going to bust loose fast and furious as that season progresses.  I will go out on a limb and speculate that the series finale of Lost will be one of the highest rated television shows in history.

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Hey...thanks for cleaning up my post!

[Ramius]

Back on topic, i see Zeke as a ringleader and i think that the other people in his grup may follow along somewhat blindly. i said last night that they shoudl shoot zeke and take their chances with the rest of the group.

 

Zeke = RJ (i hope sawyer beats his ass)

[Mr Info]

This might relate to the belief Walt has special powers ie the ability to conjur an Australian bird after looking at a book and the belief he conjured a polar bear after looking at Hugo's comic book.

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I could see where one of the storylines could be headed:

The Others trying to use Walt to develop his special powers to conjur them off the island. Maybe Walt recognizes these developing powers and instead gets him back with Micheal and the rest of the flight and then conjurs them all off the island and blows off the Others. Many ways this could go.

[Ramius]

Just another thought here, i'm tossing ideas around. Since quite a few of the lost-aways are have some sort of tie-in to prominent philosophers or biblical figures (john locke, rosseau, jack "shepherd"), can someone with knowledge of the bible elaborate on the character of ezekiel ("zeke")?

 

Perhaps another type of tie-in?

[duey]

Zeke = RJ (i hope sawyer beats his ass)

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[TheMadCap]

Just another thought here, i'm tossing ideas around. Since quite a few of the lost-aways are have some sort of tie-in to prominent philosophers or biblical figures (john locke, rosseau, jack "shepherd"), can someone with knowledge of the bible elaborate on the character of ezekiel ("zeke")?

 

Perhaps another type of tie-in?

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That's just a nickname Sawyer called him. I don't think that's the character's true name.

 

And the others could likely leave the island whenever they want. They have a boat...

[Dr. Fong]

who is this Hanso I hear so much about?  was he a subject in an episode I fell asleep

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Alvar Hanso from the Hanso Foundation financiers of the Dharma Initiative. He's introduced during the orientation film.

[ASCI]

Anyone else think this show is turning into Robinson Caruso meets Lord of The Flies?

[The Poojer]

my wife keeps saying it is very Lord of the Flies-ish, never having read it I cannot speak of it

 

Anyone else think this show is turning into Robinson Caruso meets Lord of The Flies?

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[Dr. Fong]

my wife keeps saying it is very Lord of the Flies-ish, never having read it I cannot speak of it

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A quick summary of Lord of the Flies is what happens to group of kids once the constraints of society are stripped away. One group goes nuts the other group tries to maintain a sembelence of order. I think there are certainly some comparisons one can draw between the two, but I think I think it would be hard to avoid comparisons given the subject matter of the book and the TV show.