stevestojan Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The problem with the Bills? We don't sign our players. We don't pay the star players the money they "deserve"* (*by deserve, i am referring to how these players perform compared to their NFL counterparts). Why would someone ever come to the Bills, or ever STAY with the Bills when we don't keep our playmakers? We have this reputation of "come here, we'll win one", but we NEVER pay our players what they are worth... You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart And the list goes on... "Why come to Buffalo"? So you can have a breakout year and we'll trade you to a team that's willing to pay for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart 427930[/snapback] JJ - overrated and often injured. yeah he's much better than gandy, but not worth the cap costs PW - a Butler/Wade guy who doesn't like the way TD manages the Bills. He wanted out AW - same situation as PW RB - wasn't worth what we were paying him SG - one of my all time favs. But if you notice after we cut him he didn't rake in the big $$$ with Baltimore and ended up coming back for a 2nd tour? HJ - didn't leave as a FA, he was cut AW - is there an echo? SC - If you compare SC's last couple of years with London Fletcher's, you'll see we got a better LB for less money than SC wanted here's a couple other names for ya: Eric Moulds, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, and Sam Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The problem with the Bills? We don't sign our players. We don't pay the star players the money they "deserve"* (*by deserve, i am referring to how these players perform compared to their NFL counterparts). Why would someone ever come to the Bills, or ever STAY with the Bills when we don't keep our playmakers? We have this reputation of "come here, we'll win one", but we NEVER pay our players what they are worth... You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart And the list goes on... "Why come to Buffalo"? So you can have a breakout year and we'll trade you to a team that's willing to pay for you... 427930[/snapback] The final nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The problem with the Bills? We don't sign our players. We don't pay the star players the money they "deserve"* (*by deserve, i am referring to how these players perform compared to their NFL counterparts). Why would someone ever come to the Bills, or ever STAY with the Bills when we don't keep our playmakers? We have this reputation of "come here, we'll win one", but we NEVER pay our players what they are worth... You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart And the list goes on... "Why come to Buffalo"? So you can have a breakout year and we'll trade you to a team that's willing to pay for you... 427930[/snapback] Those examples suck. Williams was on the wrong side of 30 and only played 1/2 the D snaps, Ruben wasn't worth the cash and neither was Jennings. Gash was a FB, it wasn't like he was going to break the bank, I don't think it was a matter of not wanting to pay him, but that TD thought he couldn't be productive for much longer. Cowart wasn't the same after his injury. Paying Jennings what SF paid him would have been idiotic. I'll give you Winfield. Just look at what these players did AFTER they left Buffalo, only Winfield has done a damn thing worth mentioning. That's a pretty good track record. But for every Winfield there's a Takeo who got paid to come here, TD managed to get Fletcher in here as well...and Vincent...and Milloy. In fact, our D has been primarily built with Free Agents. So much for asking "why would anybody ever come to the Bills?" TD has made plenty of mistakes in his time here, but his decisions on who to pick up in FA and who to keep have been pretty good choices and one of the last places one should look to question him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The problem with the Bills? We don't sign our players. We don't pay the star players the money they "deserve"* (*by deserve, i am referring to how these players perform compared to their NFL counterparts). Why would someone ever come to the Bills, or ever STAY with the Bills when we don't keep our playmakers? We have this reputation of "come here, we'll win one", but we NEVER pay our players what they are worth... You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart And the list goes on... "Why come to Buffalo"? So you can have a breakout year and we'll trade you to a team that's willing to pay for you... 427930[/snapback] I realize the point you’re trying to make but half the people on that list don't fit the trend you’re speaking of. Cowart- Had major injury concerns, the Bills signed Fletcher to replace him. Would you rather we kept Cowart instead? Henry Jones- Was past his best years and never went on to have the kind of success he had early in his career after he left the Bills Sam Gash- We went with more of a receiving FB in Larry Centers instead of Gash. The lack of a huge contract is not why he left. Rueben Brown- We outright released him because his play wasn't close to the $ he was receiving. As for Winfield he was and still is worth the $, but it’s not like it was a bad move to let him go. MaGee is no scrub and comes at bargain price with plenty of upside. With JJ and PW the Bills just didn’t think they’re worth the price they got. JJ has always had injury problems and PW isn't getting any younger. Not to mention they both got pretty large paydays. All these guys aren't top 5 players that the Bills simply decided not to pay. They're talented players with question marks, most of which ended up signing big contracts only to do nothing after they left town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie68 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I read that list and I dont see anyone Id want to sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 good teams retain good young talent....... it's going to suck if nate isn't locked up long-term.......he's the exact type of guy you want to build a franchise around........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 i see no one on your list that demand top dollar from the bills . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 here's a couple other names for ya: Eric Moulds, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, and Sam Adams 427933[/snapback] Add Milloy, Vincent and Moorman to the list. Can I get a count of how many collective post-Bills Pro-Bowls those dearly departed players have been to...? If you want to talk about a team that fails to pay its star players, you want to talk Patriots...and look where that "poor attitude" toward its players got them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zona Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Can I get a count of how many collective post-Bills Pro-Bowls those dearly departed players have been to...? 427989[/snapback] Um. I guess that would be ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The Bills do pay their players. They have a salary cap and are a couple million under that, if not less. 53 players are getting paid. Why do we want to see another salary cap jail sentence and have to get rid of everyone and start over like in 2001? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 The Bills don't overpay or pay players past " thier " prime . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Substitute the word "Sabres" everywhere you wrote "Bills", and I agree with your post 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Now that's just plain silly. This is your sense of humor showing up again isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Take your pick! Do you want to sign AW for 7M/year? Then say goodbye to Clements. JJ for 7M/year? You can allocate your money only so much for each player. Sign one for too much and then you have to let 2 other players go--it is just the nature of the salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Jonas JennningsPat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart 427930[/snapback] Were any of those players on a playoff game winning Bills team? I think we sometimes tend to think that former Bills players were much better than they actually were. I see that list and other than Winfield, Williams and Gash, I see disappointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I think that you are being overworked at your new job. Your post does not make much sense since there is a salary cap that all teams must adhere to. Very few team end up signing their own free agents as most like to hit the free market and get someone to overpay for their services. The Pats have about the least loyalty of any team towards their own players and look what they have accomplished over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstel Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Nobody on that list is worth the big contract they got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 The problem with the Bills? We don't sign our players. We don't pay the star players the money they "deserve"* (*by deserve, i am referring to how these players perform compared to their NFL counterparts). Why would someone ever come to the Bills, or ever STAY with the Bills when we don't keep our playmakers? We have this reputation of "come here, we'll win one", but we NEVER pay our players what they are worth... You want examples? Jonas Jennnings Pat Williams Antowain Winfield Ruben Brown Sam Gash Henry Jones Antowain Winfield Sam Cowart And the list goes on... "Why come to Buffalo"? So you can have a breakout year and we'll trade you to a team that's willing to pay for you... 427930[/snapback] Wow, that post was made at 2:30 this morning. I was bombed, and I'm shocked that there weren't many typos. Anyway, I'm sticking to my story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Wow, that post was made at 2:30 this morning. I was bombed, and I'm shocked that there weren't many typos. Anyway, I'm sticking to my story... 428317[/snapback] Wow, thats great. But it won't save any money on car insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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