Debate Over: Drake Maye can’t hold Josh Allen’s jockstrap

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Give it up. Bored today or something?

And both are Jags basically. But I assume you like them considering the level of knowledge you have shown through your posting history.

Stroud may become something - we will see. It's between the Bills and the Texans for the AFC rep in the SB.

Bored, always.    Recognizing the difference between stroud with diggs, collins and kirk his first 2 years and then fading after they are hurt vs Maye with Diggs as a situational player is the same way everyone has been complaining about the bills WR room since Diggs left.

 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

He literally is still nothing close to a Drew Brees tier either lol

 

You're talking about a first ballot Hall of famer who's like a three or four time all pro

 

 

 

This ^.  Don't get me wrong, Drake Maye is having a very good season -- but some people with the "need" to compare Drake Maye to others in Year 2/etc, is just ridiculous.  

 

Maye has 0, repeat 0, 4th quarter comebacks to this point in his career.  That's not the "be all, end all" metric but it's very important to see if a QB can be clutch when it matters most.  There are so many games where 4th quarter lead swings occur, the Pats have managed to take a lead into every 4th quarter game this season and hold on. 

 

I want to see what happens in moments when Maye's defense doesn't hold the opposition in check.  Maye has the fortunate situation where the most points his defense allowed in a game was a week 2 win (27 points against Miami), until yesterday's game.  

 

He hasn't had to take over a game / win any shoot-outs.  Being efficient and having a defense hold opponents below 20 ppg on average, is a recipe to win a lot of games --- but that's not the norm when playing top echelon teams/playoffs.

[julian]

Good young talent in year 2 with an historically easy schedule… combine those and you have a very good sophomore season, we’ll see where it goes next season.

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

He has evened out. He's not a special talent - nowhere near Stroud. I don't buy into the hype. Yes, he's good. Is he a game changer. Far, far from it. He's a Herbert. Will win some games, look good ding it. But when the game is needed and they need a stud - good luck.

 

 

Ha ha he has even out in only his second year?  Again i ask what was Josh Allen in his sec year..you guys can't be serious with this..

 

Ha ha i swear if Maye wasn't wearing a Patriots uniform some opinions on here would be different 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha he has even out in only his second year?  Again i ask what was Josh Allen in his sec year..you guys can't be serious with this..

 

Ha ha i swear if Maye wasn't wearing a Patriots uniform some opinions on here would be different 

To be fair I'm not one arguing with you 

 

But if you want objectiveness that's what I bring..

 

Difference between Josh Allen and Drake Mayes first two years in the league.. despite mayes better statistics is the plays they make 

 

Josh Allen was hurdling NFL defenders, trucking NFL defenders, throwing 50-yard bombs while getting hit in the mouth and the ball just exploded out of his hand in a sea of players... Superman diving into the end zone .. completing third and 15 way more regularly than any other NFL quarterback 

 

Drake Maye has a strong arm and is athletic.. throws a good deep ball 

 

He's not hurdling 6'5 NFL players.. trucking NFL linebackers , juking NFL safeties, throwing dots 50 yards down the field while getting hit in the mouth.. and Superman diving into the end zones 

 

That's the difference

[Sojourner]

8 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha he has even out in only his second year?  Again i ask what was Josh Allen in his sec year..you guys can't be serious with this..

 

Ha ha i swear if Maye wasn't wearing a Patriots uniform some opinions on here would be different 

I can’t fault the distain for the guy. The Pats had a 20 year dynasty, lost one of the greatest to ever play and only got stuck in misery for 4 of their last 5 seasons since Brady. 
 

They went from cellar dwelling for 2 years in the division and conference to be in play for the #1 seed and division Champs. Coaching from Vrabel and McDaniels plays a huge part but the kid they got is on a rise. Not anointing him yet but if they reproduce next season and/or make it to the conference finals this year at worst, I don’t know how a football fan can lump diatribe on Maye like some insist. 
 

The kid, sadly for Buffalo, looks to be a real gamer. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Sojourner

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha he has even out in only his second year?  Again i ask what was Josh Allen in his sec year..you guys can't be serious with this..

 

Ha ha i swear if Maye wasn't wearing a Patriots uniform some opinions on here would be different 

If you insist on a comparison, how many 4th qtr comebacks does Maye have on his NFL resume through 2 years?

 

I'll give a hint it --- it equals my total of NFL 4th qtr comebacks.

 

Josh had 8 by end of year 2.  3 rookie season / 5 in 2nd year.  Maye is very good, but he has yet to lead his team back in the clutch moments or win a shoot-out game (maybe you can count Week 2 vs Miami)  --- but the Pats defense has held opponents to an avg of ~19 ppg and before yesterday, they gave up a season high to Miami in week 2 (27 points).

 

So Allen wasn't elite in 2019 either --- I'll admit that.  But like I told PatsFan, Allen had a meteoric rise in 2020.  4,500 passing yards/420 rushing yards/37 passing TDs/8 rushing TDs.

 

Let's see if Maye can get to that "elite" level next season --- or if he can even pull out a 4th qtr comeback by then.

[Ghost_002!]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

To be fair I'm not one arguing with you 

 

But if you want objectiveness that's what I bring..

 

Difference between Josh Allen and Drake Mayes first two years in the league.. despite mayes better statistics is the plays they make 

 

Josh Allen was hurdling NFL defenders, trucking NFL defenders, throwing 50-yard bombs while getting hit in the mouth and the ball just exploded out of his hand in a sea of players... Superman diving into the end zone .. completing third and 15 way more regularly than any other NFL quarterback 

 

Drake Maye has a strong arm and is athletic.. throws a good deep ball 

 

He's not hurdling 6'5 NFL players.. trucking NFL linebackers , juking NFL safeties, throwing dots 50 yards down the field while getting hit in the mouth.. and Superman diving into the end zones 

 

That's the difference

 

 

I gotta stop you, Josh Allen was doing everything but QBing in his 2nd year...again his 1st playoff game he was running more than passing because he was wildly inaccurate as a passer and coaches didnt trust him yet to pass. Until Daboll got him to calm down.

 

Allen wasnt consider elite to maybe his 4th year... sure wasn't his  two years so all this extreme judging of a 2nd year QB is hilarious 

18 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

I can’t fault the distain for the guy. The Pats had a 20 year dynasty, lost one of the greatest to ever play and only got stuck in misery for 4 of their last 5 seasons since Brady. 
 

They went from cellar dwelling for 2 years in the division and conference to be in play for the #1 seed and division Champs. Coaching from Vrabel and McDaniels plays a huge part but the kid they got is on a rise. Not anointing him yet but if they reproduce next season and/or make it to the conference finals this year at worst, I don’t know how a football fan can lump diatribe on Maye like some insist. 
 

The kid, sadly for Buffalo, looks to be a real gamer. 

 

 

I agree. The fact that they are back on people's nerves is a good season for me. They were going to split w the Bills anyways so I don't get all the overreaction, but the Bills beat that ass yesterday so fans got a right to cheer.

Edited 6 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I gotta stop you, Josh Allen was doing everything but QBing in his 2nd year...again his 1st playoff game he was running more than passing because he was wildly inaccurate as a passer and coaches dodnt trust him yet to pass. Until Daboll got him to calm down. Allen wasnt consider elite to maybe his 4th year... sure wasn't his first year so all this extreme judging of a 2nd year QB is hilarious 

 

We had a sieve for an offensive line..

 

We had two solid receivers... So Josh was running around to create for his life 

 

Josh Allen's third season he literally had 37 touchdown passes and 4500 yards lol

 

Literally be better than 19 of 23 seasons of Tom Brady lol Josh Allen's third season was better than 19 of Tom Brady seasons passing touchdown wise 

 

He was a star year 3.. and was already showing all of that year 2 without an offensive line that's why he was running around .. he made some crazy passes despite the narrative you're saying

 

His rookie year his number one wide receiver by season end was an undrafted kid named Robert Foster

 

The Patriots team year two with Maye is a head of where the bills were year two with Allen as a TEAM

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

We had a sieve for an offensive line..

 

We had two solid receivers... So Josh was running around to create for his life 

 

Josh Allen's third season he literally had 37 touchdown passes and 4500 yards lol

 

Literally be better than 19 of 23 seasons of Tom Brady lol Josh Allen's third season was better than 19 of Tom Brady seasons passing touchdown wise 

 

He was a star year 3.. and was already showing all of that year 2 without an offensive line

 

 

Soo Allen showed potential already in year 2 although again the write up on him was has potential but incredibly inaccurate..but Drake Maye who is in MVP convos now, has hit his ceiling to some..ha ha ok

Edited 6 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Soo Allen was showed potential already in year 2 although again the write up on him was has potential but incredibly inaccurate..but Drake Maye who is in MVP convos has hit his ceiling to some..ha ha ok

I never said he hit his ceiling 

 

Stop lumping me in with everybody else.. I did say their style of play is not even comparable 

 

And that Josh Allen was doing things his first 25 games that no quarterbacks do including Drake Maye

 

Drake does not hurdle and truck linebackers and juke out safeties consistently.. Josh was doing that while throwing piss missiles even if there were mistakes

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Kelly to Allen]

All joking aside, Maye is pretty good but I don't think he's as good as Herbert. 

[Tanoros]

14 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I gotta stop you, Josh Allen was doing everything but QBing in his 2nd year...again his 1st playoff game he was running more than passing because he was wildly inaccurate as a passer and coaches didnt trust him yet to pass. Until Daboll got him to calm down.

 

Allen wasnt consider elite to maybe his 4th year... sure wasn't his  two years so all this extreme judging of a 2nd year QB is hilarious 

 

 

I agree. The fact that they are back on people's nerves is a good season for me. They were going to split w the Bills anyways so I don't get all the overreaction, but the Bills beat that ass yesterday so fans got a right to cheer.

I think the point Buff is trying to make is Allen was in year one and two making those insanely beautiful plays that only Allen can make, the plays that make Allen so special. Allen was very raw coming into the league, everyone knew that, he was certainly more raw than Maye. 
 

Maye looks like a great QB and any fan base would feel blessed to have a qb like that. The point is, Maye hasn’t shown that true game changing ability yet. However, I believe Maye’s ability to be a game changer will come from reading defenses, manipulating with his eyes, and throwing to open guy. Kind of like. Burrow, only Maye is more athletic.
 

Allen is a mix of that, and then the unique Allen magic. They are different qb’s and Allen’s uniquely special traits were apparent before he became an efficient passer. 

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, Tanoros said:

I think the point Buff is trying to make is Allen was in year one and two making those insanely beautiful plays that only Allen can make, the plays that make Allen so special. Allen was very raw coming into the league, everyone knew that, he was certainly more raw than Maye. 
 

Maye looks like a great QB and any fan base would feel blessed to have a qb like that. The point is, Maye hasn’t shown that true game changing ability yet. However, I believe Maye’s ability to be a game changer will come from reading defenses, manipulating with his eyes, and throwing to open guy. Kind of like. Burrow, only Maye is more athletic.
 

Allen is a mix of that, and then the unique Allen magic. They are different qb’s and Allen’s uniquely special traits were apparent before he became an efficient passer. 

 

No he wasnt..those insanely beautiful plays but yet in his playoff game they had him running more than passing cuz he was wildly inaccurate?

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

I think the point Buff is trying to make is Allen was in year one and two making those insanely beautiful plays that only Allen can make, the plays that make Allen so special. Allen was very raw coming into the league, everyone knew that, he was certainly more raw than Maye. 
 

Maye looks like a great QB and any fan base would feel blessed to have a qb like that. The point is, Maye hasn’t shown that true game changing ability yet. However, I believe Maye’s ability to be a game changer will come from reading defenses, manipulating with his eyes, and throwing to open guy. Kind of like. Burrow, only Maye is more athletic.
 

Allen is a mix of that, and then the unique Allen magic. They are different qb’s and Allen’s uniquely special traits were apparent before he became an efficient passer. 

Yes I'm not knocking Drake at all 

 

But their play style at the quarterback position is not comparable.. 

 

Josh made more mistakes his first 2 years than Drake.. but he also did stuff that football coaches and fans never saw quarterbacks ever do

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

No he wasnt..those insanely beautiful plays but yet in his playoff game they had him running more than passing cuz he was wildly inaccurate?

Had more passing yards and rushing yards then the Texans in that playoff game 

 

He was not polished... There's a difference between being not polished and not showing talent 

 

Josh showed insane amounts of talent I have receipts here I was calling him a future All pro during his second year

 

Where you think he couldn't throw

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[mbs]

I personally think the high arcing long ball "rainbow" pass is the most satisfying to watch play in football and Josh just can't or wont throw those. Maye can and often does, Russ was maybe the king, and even Tyrod even hit these early on here. One of the best passes Mac Jones ever threw was rainbow to Hyde in the playoffs and it looked fantastic.

 

But Josh does not and perhaps cannot hit a big bomb like that. Maybe he just flat refuses to put a bunch of unnecessary air under the ball by rifling a fifty yarder like the one to Diggs closing out Detroit a few years back, but as impressive as those are, I still want the pretty picture pass and I think fans over rate those who deliver.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, mbs said:

I personally think the high arcing long ball "rainbow" pass is the most satisfying to watch play in football and Josh just can't or wont throw those. Maye can and often does, Russ was maybe the king, and even Tyrod even hit these early on here. One of the best passes Mac Jones ever threw was rainbow to Hyde in the playoffs and it looked fantastic.

 

But Josh does not and perhaps cannot hit a big bomb like that. Maybe he just flat refuses to put a bunch of unnecessary air under the ball by rifling a fifty yarder like the one to Diggs closing out Detroit a few years back, but as impressive as those are, I still want the pretty picture pass and I think fans over rate those who deliver.

In January when the wind is swirling in Buffalo 

 

You can't hang a ball up there.. that works in September 

 

You need to cut it through the wind late in the season in an open air stadium.. throwing a rainbow will get caught up in the wind... Throwing 40 yards downfield the angle Josh can throw the ball pays dividends when the weather is crazy

 

Remember the crazy wind game? Mac literally couldn't throw five yards down field 

 

Josh threw a cannon 50 yards downfield that hit diggs in the hand.. and that wasn't a rainbow either it needed to be Sharp

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Ghost_002!]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I never said he hit his ceiling 

 

Stop lumping me in with everybody else.. I did say their style of play is not even comparable 

 

And that Josh Allen was doing things his first 25 games that no quarterbacks do including Drake Maye

 

Drake does not hurdle and truck linebackers and juke out safeties consistently.. Josh was doing that while throwing piss missiles even if there were mistakes

 

 

Come on man...Allen's first few season he showed potential that's it..he showed he had an arm especially on the run  but he was inaccurate.  Drake Maye had literally showed he has an arm too

 

 

Both of them with just a flick of the wrist can throw a bomb, both  are dangerous with their feet. I would grant you Allen trucks people over but both teams have running QBs that can make plays on their own.

 

 

So for the people in the back..I am not saying Maye is on Allen's level becuase Allen's been in the league longer..and is thr best QB in the league now, especially w Mahomes injured 

 

Just like u can see Jayden Daniels and Lamar Jackson similarities but you wouldn't put them on the same level cause one is just starting out the other is in his prime. Like it's not really hard to see it.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Ghost_002!

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Come on man...Allen's first few season he showed potential that's it..he showed he had an arm especially on the run  but he was inaccurate.  Drake Maye had literally showed he has an arm too

 

 

Both of them with just a flick of the wrist can throw a bomb, both  are dangerous with their feet. I would grant you Allen trucks people over but both teams have running QBs that can make plays on their own.

 

 

So for the people in the back..I am not saying Maye is on Allen's level becuase Allen's been in the league longer..

 

Just like u can see Jayden Daniels and Lamar Jackson similarities but you wouldn't put them on the same level cause one is just starting out the other is in his prime. Like it's not really hard to see it.

 

 

 

Drake they will never run for 15 Rushing touchdowns in a season bro

 

The bills didn't even key on him on his 2 Rushing touchdowns yesterday...

 

You can't compare their dual threat abilities through two seasons.. again Josh was running around people running through them and jumping over them .. Josh had like three times as many rushing touchdowns through 2 years

 

Drake is mobile

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[mbs]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

In January when the wind is swirling in Buffalo 

 

You can't hang a ball up there.. that works in September 

 

You need to cut it through the wind late in the season in an open air stadium.. throwing a rainbow will get caught up in the wind... Throwing 40 yards downfield the angle Josh can throw the ball pays dividends when the weather is crazy

 

Remember the crazy wind game? Mac literally couldn't throw five yards down field 

 

Josh threw a cannon 50 yards downfield that hit diggs in the hand.. and that wasn't a rainbow either it needed to be Sharp

I agree entirely which is why I said "I think fans over rate those who deliver." My point is that the high arc pass is memorable. Even when Tua underthrows Tyreek and he has skid his heels like a cartoon, it looks like a great pass. Pure aesthetics.