Kelly to Allen Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 😂😂😂😂 Edited 7 hours ago by Kelly to Allen
JDHillFan Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago A patriot that decided to throw up all over himself because of the Orange Terror. Disgraceful and embarrassing conduct. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago I'm ashamed to share a first name with this Brian fellow. I'd change it to Bryan, but screw canada! 1 2
Tommy Callahan Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Benedict arnold was a great American hero, till he wasn't. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said: Benedict arnold was a great American hero, till he wasn't. And Trump and Hegseth the drunk are bums.
nedboy7 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: This thread for reliable media load swallowers... You keep sucking that Twitter dick. 1
Andy1 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Politically this is a dumb, impulsive move by Trump. This raises the political stature of Kelley and puts Trump and his party on the side of wanting the military to be able to execute illegal orders. It also involves free speech issues like - can the government regulate the speech of retired vets? I doubt it all goes anywhere. 1 1
sherpa Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Politically this is a dumb, impulsive move by Trump. This raises the political stature of Kelley and puts Trump and his party on the side of wanting the military to be able to execute illegal orders. It also involves free speech issues like - can the government regulate the speech of retired vets? I doubt it all goes anywhere. I think the entire thing is dumb on both sides. Service people are obligated to not oblige "illegal" orders. They don't need to be told that. Regarding the "free speech" comment, not a player. He is obligated to conform to the UCMJ . Nothing "free speech" about it. It's quit clear. Another useless confrontation that gets the press all excited, but meaningless. If the Administration directs an illegal order, then it's worth talking about.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think the entire thing is dumb on both sides. Service people are obligated to not oblige "illegal" orders. They don't need to be told that. Regarding the "free speech" comment, not a player. He is obligated to conform to the UCMJ . Nothing "free speech" about it. It's quit clear. Another useless confrontation that gets the press all excited, but meaningless. If the Administration directs an illegal order, then it's worth talking about. Both side?, you’re so simple. Trump ordered Pence not to do his constitutional duty in certifying the election. He has pardoned violent criminals, so yes, he has illegal orders in him. If you are actually saying Dems should not remind the military to follow the law with this criminal in the White House then you are just being blindly partisan. How dare the Dems offer a reminder! Do you actually think they committed treason? Again, you jump to attack Dems for their reminder to follow the law but nothing about your prez issuing death threats. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 47 minutes ago, sherpa said: Regarding the "free speech" comment, not a player. He is obligated to conform to the UCMJ . Nothing "free speech" about it. It's quit clear. not nearly so clear to military legal experts... https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-case-against-senator-mark-kelly-faces-steep-hurdles-under-military-law-2025-11-26/
sherpa Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Both side?, you’re so simple. Trump ordered Pence not to do his constitutional duty in certifying the election. He has pardoned violent criminals, so yes, he has illegal orders in him. If you are actually saying Dems should not remind the military to follow the law with this criminal in the White House then you are just being blindly partisan. How dare the Dems offer a reminder! Do you actually think they committed treason? Again, you jump to attack Dems for their reminder to follow the law but nothing about your prez issuing death threats. Another stupid post. I never suggested anyone committed treason. I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission. Knowing that was part of the training.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: Another stupid post. I never suggested anyone committed treason. I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission. Knowing that was part of the training. But a reminder wouldn’t have killed you. A reminder to live by the law is not treason and shouldn’t be treated as so, you can agree with that, right? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 59 minutes ago Posted 59 minutes ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, sherpa said: Another stupid post. I never suggested anyone committed treason. I never needed to be reminded that I was obligated to not carry out an illegal mission. Knowing that was part of the training. not everyone does what they're trained to do. otherwise there would be no need for court martial and military prisons. re Kelly, he also has speech protections afforded by the Constitution: https://legalunitedstates.com/senator-mark-kelly/ Edited 56 minutes ago by Joe Ferguson forever 1
sherpa Posted 47 minutes ago Posted 47 minutes ago 30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: not nearly so clear to military legal experts... https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-case-against-senator-mark-kelly-faces-steep-hurdles-under-military-law-2025-11-26/ I never suggested in any way that Kelly did anything wrong When someone does something illegal, let me know. So far nothing. I certainly knew the rules, and didn't need a reminder.
The Frankish Reich Posted 10 minutes ago Posted 10 minutes ago 32 minutes ago, sherpa said: I never suggested in any way that Kelly did anything wrong When someone does something illegal, let me know. So far nothing. I certainly knew the rules, and didn't need a reminder. Well, the bombings of the "drug smugglers" in the Gulf and Pacific are of very questionable legality. I'd say illegal unless I see a better justification than what Trump has given. The DOD lawyers have apparently written a memo (not released to the public) providing this justification (which is quite different from Trump's public one): - Drug smuggling activity funds the Mexican/international cartels, which in turn have been characterized as international terrorist organizations; hence, the bombings are aimed at international terrorism. It's a very, very shaky theory that's never been tested in anyone's courts. Trump's justification is just flat-out not a justification at all.
sherpa Posted 5 minutes ago Posted 5 minutes ago 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, the bombings of the "drug smugglers" in the Gulf and Pacific are of very questionable legality. I'd say illegal unless I see a better justification than what Trump has given. Great. I haven't seen anything that makes them illegal. I'm not offering an opinion, because I don't know. Maybe posters here are informed beyond my knowledge. If so, I haven't seen it.
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