Kelly to Allen Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) I've heard this narrative brought up every time Allen is discussed in mainstream circles. Allen career int percentage 2.3% Drew Brees career int percentage 2.3% Josh Allen int % since 2019 including the playoffs, 2.1 % Allen .9 int % in the playoffs ( lowest all time) Montana 2.9 int % in the playoffs Allen also has the lowest turnover percentage in NFL playoff history from what I read. I haven't confirmed if that's true. But it's certainly extremely low I then read that since the turnover worthy stat was created, Allen is top 5 in the least amount of turnover worthy plays in the playoffs... Allen ints in first 121 starts- 93 int Tom Brady in first 121 starts - 91 int Allen from 18-23 78 int , 107 total turnovers Tom Brady from 01- 06, 78 int , 101 total turnovers Allen in 2024 had the lowest amount of negative plays in NFL history, fumbles, ints and sacks.... I'm not saying Allen is perfect, and he can definitely be streaky sometimes, but these numbers not only suggest the narrative is wrong, but that it's actually the opposite. Especially in the biggest pressure moments. Why does this keep being brought up every time Allen is discussed. I find it bizarre Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Because narratives create clicks, not facts. 3 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 5 hours ago Author Posted 5 hours ago Since 2019 including the playoffs Allen 85 ints. 2.1% int percentage Mahomes 78 ints 1 7% int percentage I use 19 because Allen was in year 2 and Mahomes didn't start until year 2 If you then start in 2020 The difference is 5 ints over the entire time span from 20 to the present.... Even if you include all 18 to 23, and you include all the turnovers, it's literally only 7 more than Brady. Yet Allen passed and ran more, and Allen had to play as a rookie, Brady didn't.... Quote
GoBills808 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Since 2019 including the playoffs Allen 85 ints. 2.1% int percentage Mahomes 78 ints 1 7% int percentage I use 19 because Allen was in year 2 and Mahomes didn't start until year 2 If you then start in 2020 The difference is 5 ints over the entire time span from 20 to the present.... Even if you include all 18 to 23, and you include all the turnovers, it's literally only 7 more than Brady. Yet Allen passed and ran more, and Allen had to play as a rookie, Brady didn't.... these are widely available figures people who follow the bills should probably be familiar tbh 1 Quote
PoundingDog Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago I don’t know we need to bring up any more stats comparing Allen to anyone. There is only one matters, fair or not: Super Bowls. I’m pretty sure he knows it. 1 3 Quote
Big Turk Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Since 2019 including the playoffs Allen 85 ints. 2.1% int percentage Mahomes 78 ints 1 7% int percentage I use 19 because Allen was in year 2 and Mahomes didn't start until year 2 If you then start in 2020 The difference is 5 ints over the entire time span from 20 to the present.... Even if you include all 18 to 23, and you include all the turnovers, it's literally only 7 more than Brady. Yet Allen passed and ran more, and Allen had to play as a rookie, Brady didn't.... Mahomes has thrown some brutal picks this year alone. Quote
GoBills808 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Mahomes has thrown some brutal picks this year alone. mahomes has spent his entire career in a system honed for decades by a HOF offensive mind he's always had a HOF running mate in Kelce, two during the Tyreek Hill yrs 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Another thing I appreciate about Allen, is that despite his efficiency he doesn’t seem to try to protect his stats. He will throw up a 50/50 ball before he’s ready on a critical down to try to win the game if that’s what the situation calls for. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve seen Lamar Jackson eat a sack rather than take a risk downfield. 1 1 2 Quote
Success Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago I can't anymore w/ the Allen narratives. I've lost track of the # of "Allen always chokes in the playoffs" comments I've seen from other fans. When he has basically been immaculate. And if he's reverting a bit this year on the turnovers, it's pretty obvious why to those of us who watch the team every week. No one to throw to, no one open, and just trying to make something happen - because if he doesn't, we'll lose. 1 1 Quote
PoundingDog Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Based on what we have, likely 2 scenarios for Allen and the bills to go over the superbowl hump. The Peyton Manning way and the John Elway way. The former way requires excessively driven QB making the right moves along with the team and getting the breaks from the main competitors. I thought this year is one of that for the Bills earlier in the season but soon proved to not be the case. The latter way means there is a management change and we are lucky enough to get someone who can maximize a declining qb talent but with enough cheap young talent to push us over the top. 1 Quote
Ya Digg? Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago With Josh getting better about turnovers over the last year and a half I’m very excited that fans aren’t defending Josh’s “arm punts” any more. I hated it when people would justify his ints with the term. Never was a thing until a couple of years ago, glad it’s dead Quote
BananaB Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said: I've heard this narrative brought up every time Allen is discussed in mainstream circles. Allen career int percentage 2.3% Drew Brees career int percentage 2.3% Josh Allen int % since 2019 including the playoffs, 2.1 % Allen .9 int % in the playoffs ( lowest all time) Montana 2.9 int % in the playoffs Allen also has the lowest turnover percentage in NFL playoff history from what I read. I haven't confirmed if that's true. But it's certainly extremely low I then read that since the turnover worthy stat was created, Allen is top 5 in the least amount of turnover worthy plays in the playoffs... Allen ints in first 121 starts- 93 int Tom Brady in first 121 starts - 91 int Allen from 18-23 78 int , 107 total turnovers Tom Brady from 01- 06, 78 int , 101 total turnovers Allen in 2024 had the lowest amount of negative plays in NFL history, fumbles, ints and sacks.... I'm not saying Allen is perfect, and he can definitely be streaky sometimes, but these numbers not only suggest the narrative is wrong, but that it's actually the opposite. Especially in the biggest pressure moments. Why does this keep being brought up every time Allen is discussed. I find it bizarre People put more emphasis on the Ints these days then they have in the past. How many of Josh’s came on 3rd and long or 4th down. Before no one gave a ***** about that. How many go for pick 6s? Before that is what you didn’t want. Now no one seems to give a *****. Especially when it’s Mahommes or Lamar throwing them. Edited 4 hours ago by BananaB Quote
Sojourner Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Only stats I refer to for comparison is the guys playing in the league at the same time. Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts etc. Not to say the stat comparisons against the greats aren’t worth anything but it’s a different game, different standards and a lot of better athletes. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, PoundingDog said: I don’t know we need to bring up any more stats comparing Allen to anyone. There is only one matters, fair or not: Super Bowls. I’m pretty sure he knows it. No I understand that. I'm saying every time he's discussed, almost like a an automatic preface is " "Allen was/ is great, but turnovers, turnover machine etc ..." Even ocho Cinco a couple weeks ago said the reason the bills lost in the playoffs is because of Allens turnovers.... I understand he's kinda silly, but it's ubiquitous throughout media. Again what I find bizarre is, it's not that it's not true. It's that it's the opposite... It's literally the least turnover prone in the playoffs lol 45 minutes ago, Sojourner said: Only stats I refer to for comparison is the guys playing in the league at the same time. Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts etc. Not to say the stat comparisons against the greats aren’t worth anything but it’s a different game, different standards and a lot of better athletes. I gave Allen and Mahomes comparisons in turnovers The narrative still doesn't make sense. In the playoffs it's the opposite Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Success said: I can't anymore w/ the Allen narratives. I've lost track of the # of "Allen always chokes in the playoffs" comments I've seen from other fans. When he has basically been immaculate. And if he's reverting a bit this year on the turnovers, it's pretty obvious why to those of us who watch the team every week. No one to throw to, no one open, and just trying to make something happen - because if he doesn't, we'll lose. But even with the ints this year. I think he's on pace for 13 or 14? Again this doesn't match the narrative 1 Quote
FireChans Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: I've heard this narrative brought up every time Allen is discussed in mainstream circles. Allen career int percentage 2.3% Drew Brees career int percentage 2.3% Josh Allen int % since 2019 including the playoffs, 2.1 % Allen .9 int % in the playoffs ( lowest all time) Montana 2.9 int % in the playoffs Allen also has the lowest turnover percentage in NFL playoff history from what I read. I haven't confirmed if that's true. But it's certainly extremely low I then read that since the turnover worthy stat was created, Allen is top 5 in the least amount of turnover worthy plays in the playoffs... Allen ints in first 121 starts- 93 int Tom Brady in first 121 starts - 91 int Allen from 18-23 78 int , 107 total turnovers Tom Brady from 01- 06, 78 int , 101 total turnovers Allen in 2024 had the lowest amount of negative plays in NFL history, fumbles, ints and sacks.... I'm not saying Allen is perfect, and he can definitely be streaky sometimes, but these numbers not only suggest the narrative is wrong, but that it's actually the opposite. Especially in the biggest pressure moments. Why does this keep being brought up every time Allen is discussed. I find it bizarre You are comparing Josh to players in different eras. Josh has a relatively higher counting TO stat than his contemporaries. he also doesn’t have the passing TD totals to make them look more irrelevant because he rushes a lot. For example, Josh was bottom 2 in INT’s in 2023. His passing TD total was 29 and his total INT was 18. On cursory analysis, that looks less than stellar. Then you see he had 15 rushing TDs and it changes the story. But the NFL media at large sucks at squaring that circle. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: You are comparing Josh to players in different eras. Josh has a relatively higher counting TO stat than his contemporaries. he also doesn’t have the passing TD totals to make them look more irrelevant because he rushes a lot. For example, Josh was bottom 2 in INT’s in 2023. His passing TD total was 29 and his total INT was 18. On cursory analysis, that looks less than stellar. Then you see he had 15 rushing TDs and it changes the story. But the NFL media at large sucks at squaring that circle. Allen's career int percentage since 18 including the regular season and playoffs is 2.2% Since 19, it's 2.1%.... When you compare Allen and Mahomes it's virtually identical in volume ints, 7 more since 19, 4 more since 2020. In the playoffs Allens ints percentage and turnover percentage is the lowest in NFL playoff history.... Allen & mahomes career interceptions percentage including the playoffs since 19 Mahomes 1.7 % Allen 2.1% Since 2020, including the playoffs and regular season Mahomes 1.8% Allen 2.1% Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: No I understand that. I'm saying every time he's discussed, almost like a an automatic preface is " "Allen was/ is great, but turnovers, turnover machine etc ..." Even ocho Cinco a couple weeks ago said the reason the bills lost in the playoffs is because of Allens turnovers.... I understand he's kinda silly, but it's ubiquitous throughout media. Again what I find bizarre is, it's not that it's not true. It's that it's the opposite... It's literally the least turnover prone in the playoffs lol I gave Allen and Mahomes comparisons in turnovers The narrative still doesn't make sense. In the playoffs it's the opposite Yeah I saw that, was just saying that’s the only ones I go by. The narrative of Josh whilst refusing to highlight the post season when it’s absolutely on the line is head scratching. The biggest moments carry more weight and Josh is certainly almost in a league of his own in the playoffs. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Allen's career int percentage since 18 including the regular season and playoffs is 2.2% Since 19, it's 2.1%.... When you compare Allen and Mahomes it's virtually identical in volume ints, 7 more since 19, 4 more since 2020. In the playoffs Allens ints percentage and turnover percentage is the lowest in NFL playoff history.... Allen & mahomes career interceptions percentage including the playoffs since 19 Mahomes 1.7 % Allen 2.1% Since 2020, including the playoffs and regular season Mahomes 1.8% Allen 2.1% ??? Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago (edited) Since 2019 Goff is 1.9 % Since 2020 Goff 1.9% Burrow 1.8% Cousins is 2.0% Again this is a massive sample size including the regular season and playoffs These are contemporary examples for int percentage Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.