jethro_tull Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) While Josh Allen changes some plays at the line, it is time for him to call all of the plays, much like Jim Kelly did. It seems obvious that some of his frustration is directed at results of a called play when it fails and letting him take the wheel would get rid of that distraction. Regardless of the fact that this is non- existent in the current NFL, there has to be a lot of range as to the frequency of audibles among the QBs. Some do quite a bit, some not that much. Advantages if JA Calls all the plays: Josh has a feel for the flow of the game and what works and doesn't work with the 11 on the field at the time. The frustration from calls he disagrees with would be eliminated. Joe Brady can focus on developing a game plan for the opponent and sideline management. His standing as a team leader would be reinforced. He knows this team better than anyone. He would be super motivated and a motivated JA is a wonerful thing to see. He has earned it. Edited 2 hours ago by jethro_tull 1 Quote
Simon Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago It's not 1993 anymore and offenses are infinitely more complicated than they used to be. QB's have more on their plates than they've ever had in their lives. I think asking them to be ready to have the right play ready 5 seconds after they've just processed the last play is just too much to ask in this era. Giving them an extra option coming to the line is about the most you should ask of them at this point, imo. 3 2 1 2 Quote
jethro_tull Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Simon said: It's not 1993 anymore and offenses are infinitely more complicated than they used to be. QB's have more on their plates than they've ever had in their lives. I think asking them to be ready to have the right play ready 5 seconds after they've just processed the last play is just too much to ask in this era. Giving them an extra option coming to the line is about the most you should ask of them at this point, imo. Totally agreed, there has to be reasons why it doesn't happen today. But it just feels right for this team right now. Mainly because playcalling could sure use a shot in the arm and this might be the thing. 1 Quote
Simon Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, jethro_tull said: Totally agreed, there has to be reasons why it doesn't happen today. But it just feels right for this team right now. Mainly because playcalling could sure use a shot in the arm and this might be the thing. I think a Josh Allen called offense would make McDermott's head explode before halftime. 3 Quote
Andrew Son Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago I'd settle for Josh being able to identify a pressure 1 1 1 1 Quote
harmonkillebrew Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Did they have mics in their helmets back then? The K-Gun was so successful because it was up-tempo, but they can do that now without having the QB call the plays. The QB instead gets to audible out of plays based on his read of the D But I agree, it would be fun to see, even if it will never happen Quote
Artful Dodger Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 11 minutes ago, Simon said: I think a Josh Allen called offense would make McDermott's head explode before halftime. You say that as if it's a bad thing... 1 1 Quote
transient Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 9 minutes ago, Simon said: I think a Josh Allen called offense would make McDermott's head explode before halftime. I'm not worried about McDermott's head exploding, but I think it would make most Bills fans' head explode. There is NOTHING about the way Allen plays the game that makes me think he'd be a good OC. I'm envisioning the sugar high, backyard football offense down in, down out. Quote
Simon Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Artful Dodger said: You say that as if it's a bad thing... I made an honest effort to remain neutral. 1 minute ago, transient said: I'm envisioning the sugar high, backyard football offense down in, down out. At this point I'd be all for it! Quote
Nitro Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Disagree. If the game plan is off, you need a OC who is able to make the offense dynamic and can make the changes on the fly. No QB can do that. The NFL is well past that era. Past game is why you need and require a OC who can counter what the defense is doing. Brady did not do that. Allen continues to misread the pressure some of these opposing DCs are doing to him. Quote
DeepPass Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago If he can check-off at the line of scrimmage why can't he call the plays also? Quote
Marcus Aurelius Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, Simon said: It's not 1993 anymore and offenses are infinitely more complicated than they used to be. QB's have more on their plates than they've ever had in their lives. I think asking them to be ready to have the right play ready 5 seconds after they've just processed the last play is just too much to ask in this era. Giving them an extra option coming to the line is about the most you should ask of them at this point, imo. Forget not Occam's razor and its corollary -The Complexity Paradox “We are great at handling complexity until things get really, really complex.” 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Forget not Occam's razor and its corollary -The Complexity Paradox “We are great at handling complexity until things get really, really complex.” I don't see the sailboat 2 Quote
Marcus Aurelius Posted 54 minutes ago Posted 54 minutes ago 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I don't see the sailboat That ... is exactly the problem 😕 1 Quote
jethro_tull Posted 41 minutes ago Author Posted 41 minutes ago AND ANOTHER REASON ! Plays are getting sent in late on the road in load stadiums (e.g. Houston). As reported on OBL, they mention and explain why it gives the defense an advantage. Typically the offense has only 12 sec or so to execute the play. The no-huddle / up tempo offense literally cannot be run in that situation- with JA calling the plays and Bills not substituting they will have a heck of a rapid fire approach and tire out the defense. 1 Quote
PauleeeWalnuts Posted 40 minutes ago Posted 40 minutes ago McD is a control freak, would never happen. He wants it run his way no matter what the results. Why else would they keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results? Quote
NoSaint Posted 31 minutes ago Posted 31 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, jethro_tull said: AND ANOTHER REASON ! Plays are getting sent in late on the road in load stadiums (e.g. Houston). As reported on OBL, they mention and explain why it gives the defense an advantage. Typically the offense has only 12 sec or so to execute the play. The no-huddle / up tempo offense literally cannot be run in that situation- with JA calling the plays and Bills not substituting they will have a heck of a rapid fire approach and tire out the defense. I hate to say it but you know some of the checks we don’t like are josh some agreement here though: when will Anderson was sitting out early downs and coming in on third down we should’ve skipped subs and gotten to the line to keep their own mvp off the field. We don’t maximize our advantages and manage game flow in a way that I love. Quote
Artful Dodger Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago 16 minutes ago, jethro_tull said: AND ANOTHER REASON ! Plays are getting sent in late on the road in load stadiums (e.g. Houston). As reported on OBL, they mention and explain why it gives the defense an advantage. Typically the offense has only 12 sec or so to execute the play. The no-huddle / up tempo offense literally cannot be run in that situation- with JA calling the plays and Bills not substituting they will have a heck of a rapid fire approach and tire out the defense. Yes. Has no one noticed that Bills' offense is most effective when it's running the two-minute drill, and presumably Brady doesn't have time to send in plays? 1 Quote
Simon Posted 14 minutes ago Posted 14 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Forget not Occam's razor and its corollary -The Complexity Paradox “We are great at handling complexity until things get really, really complex.” <murmuring to self> Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 6 minutes ago Posted 6 minutes ago (edited) I would like to see more no huddle, but anything similar to the k gun and trying to copy what they did is more nostalgic than a substantive offensive strategy More than anything the Tampa game needs to be the core identity of the offense. They went back into their conservative ways vs Houston in 1st down run %, and no passes downfield that go beyond 15-20 air yards. They did this to prevent turnovers and to protect the defense, and to allegedly protect the qb Well everything they feared manifested. Until that changes with the HC, I don't see a super bowl run. McDermott needs to learn to lean into the chaotic nature of the 13 second game or the Tampa game last week. He needs to get comfortable with scoring fast and getting big plays. He needs to get comfortable trying to win aggressively and not going into a game with the mindset of worrying about turnovers or protecting his defense. Again everything they did vs Tampa was counterintuitive to the identity they built. Yet they were a couple plays from blowing out Tampa and still won by 12. Edited 4 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen Quote
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