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[Big Turk]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

We disagree on the extent to which the gameplan affected the production

 

I've felt very strongly that our playoff offense the last 2yrs in the rounds you mention has been determinedly focused on limiting possessions and keeping games close

 

Yeah, that's exactly my point...in the KC game where Klein was forced to start coming in from his couch, KC averaged over 10 yards a play into the 4th quarter...I mean were they supposed to try and get into a track meet with them?  Let's be real here, a lot of what they have had to do offensively in those games is to try and protect the defense.

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The only real "ball control" gameplan by the offense out of those 7 was the 2023 Chiefs game.  You are just making up an excuse narrative.

 

Even that defensive win in the 2020 Baltimore divisional game.......Allen tried to connect deep several times.  Just wasn't happening.

 

 

 

Wasn't happening for Lamar either apparently which is why you play to the gamescript of the game to try and win the game, not play Madden.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah, that's exactly my point...in the KC game where Klein was forced to start coming in from his couch, KC averaged over 10 yards a play into the 4th quarter...I mean were they supposed to try and get into a track meet with them?  Let's be real here, a lot of what they have had to do offensively in those games is to try and protect the defense.

 

Wasn't happening for Lamar either apparently which is why you play to the gamescript of the game to try and win the game, not play Madden.

But I believe we all come to the same conclusion eventually - get better personnel on offense to allow for a more diverse, potentially more productive/explosive/whatever offense in these high leverage do or die games

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

Here.. send him this. Doesn't include the last 2 years 
 

 

 

Enjoyable way to spend 11 minutes of my life:  I counted 13 traditional sneaks and tush-pushes out of dozens of TDs.  Way less than half.  

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We disagree on the extent to which the gameplan affected the production

 

I've felt very strongly that our playoff offense the last 2yrs in the rounds you mention has been determinedly focused on limiting possessions and keeping games close

 

 

It's feels in some cases though.  Like the Baltimore game last January.   Just terrible offense.  Baltimore didn't respect them outside and took away the explosives in the middle of field.  And the KC AFCCG the week later featured a series early in the game where Allen went 3 and out with 2 terrible passes and a drop by Kincaid.   And I don't think the 2023 game was really intended to work out like it did.   Like I said, they just couldn't connect down the field at times and then had a bunch of late down conversions to keep the ball.  That last drive a bomb went thru Diggs hands.   Brady was not just trying to control the clock it just almost worked out where they looked smarter than they were.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Enjoyable way to spend 11 minutes of my life:  I counted 13 traditional sneaks and tush-pushes out of dozens of TDs.  Way less than half.  

 

 

Two years ago was a lot of TD's ago. I didn't realize that many were sneaks back then.   So probably 25 or so total sneak/push TD's?   That would be a third of his total which would be more than I thought.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's feels in some cases though.  Like the Baltimore game last January.   Just terrible offense.  Baltimore didn't respect them outside and took away the explosives in the middle of field.  And the KC AFCCG the week later featured a series early in the game where Allen went 3 and out with 2 terrible passes and a drop by Kincaid.   And I don't think the 2023 game was really intended to work out like it did.   Like I said, they just couldn't connect down the field at times and then had a bunch of late down conversions to keep the ball.  That last drive a bomb went thru Diggs hands.   Brady was not just trying to control the clock it just almost worked out where they looked smarter than they were.

tbh I've thought about the bomb to diggs, in the context of that particular drive and the game in totality, and what it represented way more than is healthy😂😂

 

I think they panicked there. I think they looked at 8mins left and calculated that even tho they had played basically a perfect ball control game on offense up to that point, the likelihood of capping it off w an 8min scoring drive was low and they needed one more possession to be safe. After it failed they got stuck in no man's land and we all know how it played out from there.

 

I think that play, more than anything else, was such a poignant admission of why this whole low risk conservative approach isn't the way to go. Even after the perfect game script they were forced to abandon it and get completely out of character

[Ray Stonada]

30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

tbh I've thought about the bomb to diggs, in the context of that particular drive and the game in totality, and what it represented way more than is healthy😂😂

 

I think they panicked there. I think they looked at 8mins left and calculated that even tho they had played basically a perfect ball control game on offense up to that point, the likelihood of capping it off w an 8min scoring drive was low and they needed one more possession to be safe. After it failed they got stuck in no man's land and we all know how it played out from there.

 

I think that play, more than anything else, was such a poignant admission of why this whole low risk conservative approach isn't the way to go. Even after the perfect game script they were forced to abandon it and get completely out of character

 

I was at this game and I feel like with Josh playing under discipline we didn't strike any fear into them. That was our first postseason meeting with them since 13 seconds and we looked toothless by comparison. Didn't help that Diggs had checked out on the season and started pulling himself out on third downs, etc. Worse than his deep drop was his terrible fumble on the first play of the game, setting the tone that he wasn't there to compete.

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Two years ago was a lot of TD's ago. I didn't realize that many were sneaks back then.   So probably 25 or so total sneak/push TD's?   That would be a third of his total which would be more than I thought.

But then the question becomes who got them down close enough to the goal line to be able to do a Tush Push / Traditional QB sneak for a TD.

For me i think its funny that someone thinks Allen is a one trick pony, and that somebody happened to be a butt hurt Ravens fan

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

tbh I've thought about the bomb to diggs, in the context of that particular drive and the game in totality, and what it represented way more than is healthy😂😂

 

I think they panicked there. I think they looked at 8mins left and calculated that even tho they had played basically a perfect ball control game on offense up to that point, the likelihood of capping it off w an 8min scoring drive was low and they needed one more possession to be safe. After it failed they got stuck in no man's land and we all know how it played out from there.

 

I think that play, more than anything else, was such a poignant admission of why this whole low risk conservative approach isn't the way to go. Even after the perfect game script they were forced to abandon it and get completely out of character

 

I felt that way in the moment too.   In the stands we were talking about how the Bills were executing a perfect Parcells/Belichick style game plan to beat a more explosive opponent.........and then Brady and Allen come out with a one-read 30 air yard throw to their small catch radius slot receiver on 2nd and 9.

 

 After further reviewing the game it became clearer to me that my perception was wrong.   They possessed the ball because they converted 9 of 17 times on 3rd and 4th down while the Chiefs were just 1-5 on 3rd down and never faced a 4th down.   Allen threw the ball 39 times and had like a dozen rushes that kept bailing out their sh!t passing game.  It was anything but systematic.  If they drew it up like that it would have ended even worse at least 9 times out of 10.  

 

The strategy at the end of that game made 13 seconds look like a stroke of genius by the Bills coaching staff and Josh Allen for signing off on giving Mahomes the ball back down 4 to play 4 down football for 1:50.