Daboll Fired

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You do realize you don't have to pick an OC with ugly nasty warts, right?

No, they all have warts. Every single one of them. If you dont realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams. 

Daboll is a top end OC. 

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You do realize you don't have to pick an OC with ugly nasty warts, right? I hope you don't choose women like you would an OC. 

 

 

Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls.

 

I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol.

 

Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays

[finn]

A team that loses to the below-average teams and beats the above-average teams, what is up with that? The pattern when they win is the team getting fired up; when they lose, I see a defense that allows big runs but plays well enough for the offense to pull it out (maybe because McDermott shoves Babich aside), and an offense that gets points and yards but fails in the clutch because of the killer combination of injuries, mediocre receivers, and a poor offensive coordinator. 

 

If this take is correct, I have hope! If the defensive pattern continues, the injuries abate (both reasonable hopes), and--the big one--McDermott realizes this team simply will not make it without a course adjustment. He did it once before. Can he do it again?  

[finn]

11 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

There's many people here blame McD for the rift between him and Daboll, keep hearing it's McD's ego.  There may be legit things you can blame McD for, but this isn't one of them.  I read multiple stories about his time in NY and this guy is a hot mess and seems to have anger management issues and can't get along with anybody.  Seems like he can't handle pressure well.  When the team is winning he's fine, but when things go bad, he loses it. 

It's not Daboll or bust, of course. For example, I'd look at Thomas Brown, passing-game coordinator of the Patriots, who (google tells me) is drawing a lot of interest. Would be great to stick it to the Pats, too. 

 

Your choice, Sean: change OC's now or after the season. One brings a chance to go all the way this year, the other gives us a higher draft pick. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

No, they all have warts. Every single one of them. If you dont realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams. 

Daboll is a top end OC. 

Lmao. No he is not. He had a few great years with Allen and Diggs. Literally every other season he's been an OC he was bottom end. 

 

If you don't realize that, then you aren't watching enough football of other teams 

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls.

 

I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol.

 

Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays

I have always been on team "experienced play caller" I like guys that have done the job before. My thinking may have changed a bit since Thursday night. That defense that got 28 pressures and 8 sacks? Being run by a first time play caller. It definitely shows having a guy that is right for the job is more important as having a guy that's done the job before.

 

Daboll is absolutely not a good play caller. He showed that here when he would abandon the run early. He showed that in NY when he took play calling over from Kafka last year that he hasn't learned anything. 

 

He's an OC that has been terrible throughout his career except for a very small blip when he had Allen and Diggs. He's Freddie Kitchens without the folksy charm. 

[Negan]

Daboll hired is the next headline I'm looking forward to reading.

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I have always been on team "experienced play caller" I like guys that have done the job before. My thinking may have changed a bit since Thursday night. That defense that got 28 pressures and 8 sacks? Being run by a first time play caller. It definitely shows having a guy that is right for the job is more important as having a guy that's done the job before.

 

Daboll is absolutely not a good play caller. He showed that here when he would abandon the run early. He showed that in NY when he took play calling over from Kafka last year that he hasn't learned anything. 

 

He's an OC that has been terrible throughout his career except for a very small blip when he had Allen and Diggs. He's Freddie Kitchens without the folksy charm. 

That's a bit harsh IMO. 
 

You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol.

 

Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays.

Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points.
 

Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a bit harsh IMO. 
 

You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol.

 

Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays.

Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points.
 

Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?

 

 

Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back? 

 

You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel. 

 

If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen. 

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Literally every other season he's been an OC he was bottom end.

 

Pretty disingenuous of you to hold against him years where he had Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel at QB.

 

Because those were LITERALLY his QB’s as an OC outside of Buffalo. 

 

The VERY FIRST time he was given a good QB (Allen), he produced a top offense.

[QB Bills]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Is it overrated when your biggest offensive threat this year has been your superstar running back? 

 

You really think Daboll got hired as the Giants HC because he was a great play caller? Please. That was Schoen trying to bring in a coach he knows. Recreate the Bills method. And there are plenty of guys that have won a HC job being not the best play caller or someone who has ever called plays. Look at Mike McDaniel. 

 

If you want to see how great an offensive mind Brian Daboll is, look at his time with the Giants in the window he called the plays. Look at his years in the league with any other team he's been on. I cannot wait til he's hired someplace else and people see him fail there too. Daboll's success is a product of Josh Allen. 

You're not wrong. But it also might not be wrong that he'd be an upgrade on Brady. 

 

Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers at this point.

[Pecker]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Pretty disingenuous of you to hold against him years where he had Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel at QB.

 

Because those were LITERALLY his QB’s as an OC outside of Buffalo. 

 

The VERY FIRST time he was given a good QB (Allen), he produced a top offense.

Was Daboll given a great qb? Or did he have to turn Allen into a great qb? Allen wasn’t some sure fire stud right out of college