Bills don't "need" a WR, they need to use the ones they have better

[vtnatefootball11]

27 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I guess the Bills see his value in the versatility it gives their offense to do anything they want. With 1 TE on the field they are 8th in passing efficiency, with 2 TE's they are 3rd and with 3 TE's they are 1st.

 

A large part of our success is having 3 TE's that have dual capabilities so that even in run heavy formations we can actually come out and be successful passing because we have created mismatches with the defense having to bring in bigger, slower, less athletic players to stop the run.

 

Now, I am not saying that to defend his contract, it's still absurd, but at least that gets to why they are OK with it right now.

 

Also, is it not strange that the Bills existed for so long without even a single good TE on the roster and now they have 3 of them?

 

Agree, very strange to be this rich at TE! And I don't hate the idea of leaning into the multiple TE looks even further. Just wish we had a Moulds to go with them (or heck, even a Lee Evans or Stevie Johnson would be perfect! ). 

 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Kincaid missed the Atlanta game, and barely played in carolina (14 snaps) since that was just the james cook show.  Last week he played only 23 snaps and was outsnapped by knox and hawes, but also by samuel and shavers - and still managed 6 catches and 101 yards.  So in the last 4 weeks including the bye he's only played 37 snaps and has 7 catches for 124 yards and a TD.  

 

Wondering if they are doing a bit of load management with him and planning to unleash him fully down the stretch and into the playoffs?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Wondering if they are doing a bit of load management with him and planning to unleash him fully down the stretch and into the playoffs?

 

Knee injury last year, oblique injury this year both probably factor into it.  

[Billy Claude]

5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Jeudy is currently rocking a 40.7% catch rate with cleveland this year.  QB does matter when it comes to catch %.  

 

Team Comp% where Moore has played in his career:

 

Jets 2021 - 59.2% - 29th in the league

Jets 2022 - 56.9% - 32nd in the league

Browns 2023 - 56.9% - 32nd in the league

Browns 2024 - 59.8%- 31st in the league

 

Now having said all that - and having seen him play - I'm not a big fan.  Him and Samuel are the only guys bringing vertical speed to the equation at the moment though, so at some point they may need to ramp up his snaps a bit - especially with Samuel being notoriously unavailable.  

 

However, except for 2023 his catch rate was significantly lower than team average.   As an apple to apples comparison, Jeudy (obviously a much better WR) had a catch rate of 63% last year while averaging 13 yards per catch versus Moore's 8.8.   If you are only getting 8.8 yards per reception your catch rate should be almost RB level.

 

I question why  people feel that Brady should call some deep shots for Elijah Moore when Moore has no history of any success doing that.  The guy has 9 receiving TDs in 4.5 years,  more than half of which occurred in a 6 week period at the end of his rookie season.

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Billy Claude

[GerstAusGosheim]

On 11/6/2025 at 1:36 PM, BillsVet said:

This is the offense McD wants

 

100%. Sean hated the high flying O from 2020-21 that fans loved and made the Bills so exciting to watch. Couldn't wait to get rid of Daboll and Diggs.

 

Beane drafts, and Brady coaches, to execute Sean's "complimentary football" philosophy. For now, it's working. We'll see. But if we face a team in the playoffs that can stop the run, it's over. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

On 11/6/2025 at 12:14 PM, NoSaint said:

I think two things can be true- they need better receivers but haven’t fully optimized what they have 

I think it's a Brady issue. He's so committed to the short passing game. And the reads in his offense go from short to long. I also think being so anti risk and anti turnover has rewired Allen's train of thought too. 

On 11/6/2025 at 12:53 PM, wjag said:

The Bills don't have a deep threat, because they don't want one.  That's my opinion.  Their game has evolved to running the ball and quick hits, high percentage passes.  They want to play a ball control, clock eating game.  Deep throws risk turnovers.  I hope they bring throws to RBs back in to the office.  Can't figure out why they have abandoned them.

Exactly this. 

 

Question. When was the last time Brandon Beane drafter a WR with too end speed? Even a late dart throw? Now what WRs has he taken? Coleman, Shorter, Shavers....heck he was Assistant GM in Carolina when they had Benjamin and Funchess. 

On 11/6/2025 at 1:04 PM, Magox said:

 

I think this is largely true but I would quibble that it isn't so much that Brady isn't adept to it but more so that the approach is a high percentage ball control offense.

 

Honestly, I don't believe Allen has the trust in the receivers to look their way as often as he could.  You only have so many seconds to make a decision back there on where you want to distribute the ball and clearly the receivers are not typically his first or second looks.  But there have been quite a few occasions I've seen this year where Wide receivers were open and he just didn't get it there.   I'm not blaming him, no QB sees everything, its just that his confidence level is not there to make them one of his early reads in some of those spots.

 

I think little by little he has to have certain plays that he feels comfortable with to look to get the ball out to those receivers.   

You say trust and I agree, but trust comes through reps. 

 

Seems year after year we sign a few random WRs to 1 year deals. They leave and we restock with new. Allen was at his best as a passer when he had a few guys he was familiar with to throw to. Diggs, Davis. Even wanted Brown and Beasley brought back one year because he was familiar with and trusted them. They need to commit to guys at the position and not have a revolving door. Timing and trust matter.

[Pete]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think it's a Brady issue. He's so committed to the short passing game. And the reads in his offense go from short to long. I also think being so anti risk and anti turnover has rewired Allen's train of thought too. 

Exactly this. 

 

Question. When was the last time Brandon Beane drafter a WR with too end speed? Even a late dart throw? Now what WRs has he taken? Coleman, Shorter, Shavers....heck he was Assistant GM in Carolina when they had Benjamin and Funchess. 

You say trust and I agree, but trust comes through reps. 

 

Seems year after year we sign a few random WRs to 1 year deals. They leave and we restock with new. Allen was at his best as a passer when he had a few guys he was familiar with to throw to. Diggs, Davis. Even wanted Brown and Beasley brought back one year because he was familiar with and trusted them. They need to commit to guys at the position and not have a revolving door. Timing and trust matter.

🤮 I would trade all of those WR for Steve Smith

Edited 1 hour ago by Pete

[harmonkillebrew]

Kincaid and Shakir are the Bills passing Offense, but smart Defenses will plan around that. We can't sit pat with mediocre boundary WRs. 

Palmer has more potential to contribute, once healthy. Coleman is a dud. Samuel still has some deep speed, but inconsistent route running. 

Gabe might bring back that downfield threat, but not off a torn meniscus. 

 

The O is good, but we need playoff good. And not having a downfield element threat will hold us back

[Rockinon]

57 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think it's a Brady issue. He's so committed to the short passing game. And the reads in his offense go from short to long. I also think being so anti risk and anti turnover has rewired Allen's train of thought too. 

I don't believe this to be the case, really. There have been some deep shots. Most are going to TEs, though. Just watched a video breakdown by PFF, found in another thread. The Bills are using the TEs to make defenses think it's an obvious running play but instead it's a pass. Often a deep ball and it's been very successful.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

I don't believe this to be the case, really. There have been some deep shots. Most are going to TEs, though. Just watched a video breakdown by PFF, found in another thread. The Bills are using the TEs to make defenses think it's an obvious running play but instead it's a pass. Often a deep ball and it's been very successful.

Ok. When you talk PFF, understand that they clarify a "deep ball" much different than what most fans are talking about. When your PFFs talk deep ball they are talking about any pass that is thrown over 20 yards to include deep outs, crossers ECT. When fans refer to a deep ball most of the time it's a go route, 40+ air yards ECT.