Bills don't "need" a WR, they need to use the ones they have better

[Rockinon]

The Bills currently are #1 in rushing and something like #9 in passing. The TEs are a big part of the passing attack. It seems to be a work in progress getting the WRs more involved. Those WR screens are going to get someone killed though. They really do need to work on getting some route trees that work downfield more.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

The Bills don't have a deep threat, because they don't want one.  That's my opinion.  Their game has evolved to running the ball and quick hits, high percentage passes.  They want to play a ball control, clock eating game.  Deep throws risk turnovers.  I hope they bring throws to RBs back in to the office.  Can't figure out why they have abandoned them.

 

Maybe you're right.  But...

 

To oversimplify a bit, the Raiders offense in the 1970s looked like this: run up the middle or throw bombs.  This created a conundrum for defenses because the Raiders attacked the entire field.  

 

A good offense attacks & stretches the field both vertically and horizontally, forcing the defense to try to defend every inch.  That's too much for most defenses to do successfully.   And we have a strong-armed QB that can threaten teams deep.  It's a shame not to use that effectively.  

[Rockinon]

Really good discussion in this thread. I believe we have the talent to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally. It seems to me the TEs have been the focus in this offense with perhaps Shakir and Palmer being the exceptions. It'll be interesting to see how the back end of the season goes. Maybe some of our other WRs will be worked into the game plan more going forward.

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[Jrb1979]

23 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Huh? Can you please stop making things up?  Saying what you believe to be true is cool, but not when it is completely contradictory to facts...then it's just silliness.

 

 

Sure the stats say that. A lot those numbers come from the Baltimore game and the Carolina game. Outside of those 2 games, they struggles to get to 7 points 3 of those games and 3 only managed 17. 

 

 

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[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Sure the stats say that. A lot those numbers come from the Baltimore game and the Carolina game. Outside of those 2 games, they struggles to get to 7 points 3 of those games and 3 only managed 17. 

 

 

 

Just like every other team does...welcome to the real world.  Green Bay scored 7 against the Panthers and 7 against the Browns in the 2nd half. 

 

Last time I checked, you don't get bonus points for scoring more of your points in one half versus the other, nor should you be applauded because you are playing catch up all game by not scoring points in the first half. 

 

"Only" managed 17 points?  You realize that is more than most teams score in the 2nd half of games?

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[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Just like every other team does...welcome to the real world.  Green Bay scored 7 against the Panthers and 7 against the Browns in the 2nd half. 

 

Last time I checked, you don't get bonus points for scoring more of your points in one half versus the other, nor should you be applauded because you are playing catch up all game by not scoring points in the first half. 

That's fair. My point still stands that for the most part outside 2 games, the 2nd half they struggle to put up points. IMO a lot of that is due to how the offense is constructed. 

 

This offense needs more explosiveness and they refuse to do it. 

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I honestly think they have enough if they just used them better. Moore or Samuel against most CB4's should win.

Are Samuel and Moore drawing CB4 when they are split out wide?  Pretty sure they are still drawing the defenses top cover guys.  

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's fair. My point still stands that for the most part outside 2 games, the 2nd half they struggle to put up points. IMO a lot of that is due to how the offense is constructed. 

 

This offense needs more explosiveness and they refuse to do it. 

 

They literally lead the NFL in explosive plays. 

[boyst]

29 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

As you used voice to text, I decided to read the post using text to voice so I now picture you as looking like Stephen Hawking

 

 

Google Stephen hawking sex club if you're bored and not at work. Dude lived a life. 

[quincy]

For me I want to see if the D has turned the corner and if it has, does that change how the O operates going forward?

 

For example let us say Buffalo is leading 21-10 at the half against Miami and receives the 3rd quarter kick off. We are in control of the game.

 

Are we going to continue running Cook and control the clock or are we going to try and get some true chemistry between Josh and the boundary wide receivers?

 

Is McDermott going to be able to accept a 3 and out going 5 yard short pass, 2 yard run, incompletion, punt after only gaining 7 yards versus a constant barrage of 6 yard runs, wide receiver screens to Shakir plus the usual TE catches eating up the clock for 8 minutes and having to settle for a FG to be up 24-10.

 

I think having a defense that is confident and playing well and stopping the opposing regularly might give the offense a chance to shift somewhat should they want to. I think Palmer and Moore should be a true part of the offense going forward and everyone is then genuinely eating.

 

If our D becomes leaky again we stick to the established formula/template that we have done so far. 

 

I have no problem with Buffalo defeating opponents off the back of Kincaid, Shakir and Cook and the primary 3 skill players but I am guessing that we will need Palmer, Moore, Coleman, Samuel and potentially Gabe Davis to shoulder some of the burden to get the W come January and February.  

[milfandcookies]

Hey we have Josh Allen he’s big and strong and can throw it a mile.
 

Let’s put him in an offense with big slow guys and throw passes backwards all game 

[oldmanfan]

Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding is other teams are playing two safeties deep.  That will minimize the deep throws so many are calling for.  What I’d like to see are more crossing routes in the intermediate zone to get WRs open more, particularly Coleman.  But that’s nit picky; it’s hard to argue with the success of the offense thus far this year.

[Comebackkid]

50 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Huh? Can you please stop making things up?  Saying what you believe to be true is cool, but not when it is completely contradictory to facts...then it's just silliness.

 

 

How much of that is offset by the baltimore game?   the last three games avg 11.7 which is way down the list.

now..i do agree with your premise though...ive been saying this for a long time that its a us problem more than a wr problem.