Bills workout DE's Jonathan and Toohill - cut Ciarlo and Wilkerson from PS

[BuffaloBillyG]

How bad was Wilkerson looking in practice if they wouldn't even give him a shot. 

[IYKYK]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 24 with that. That's practically half of our roster.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

Let’s have beane pick their replacements, he’s done a bang up job already! 

[boyst]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa - yes

- C Connor McGovern - yes

- G David Edwards - yes

- LB Matt Milano - maybe

- DT Daquan Jones - no

- DE AJ Epenesa - no (unless cheap)

- CB Tre'Davious White - no 

- LB Shaq Thompson - yes

- FB Reggie Gilliam - yes

- DT Larry Ogunjobi - no

- WR Elijah Moore - no

- QB Mitch Trubisky - no

- CB Cam Lewis -YES

- S Jordan Poyer - no

- S Damar Hamlin -no

- S Sam Franklin Jr. - yes

- DT Jordan Phillips - no

- K Matt Prater - no

- P Mitch Wishnowsky - no

- P Cameron Johnston - no

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson -no

- OT Ryan Van Demark - yes

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram - ??

AJE is a 4th round comp pick 

[BuffaloBillyG]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

You are correct. It looks bleak 8 months out 

 

However, contracts will get reworked, some cuts will be made, guys will be re-signed to deals that have lower 1st year hits and they will have a good chunk of money. And yes, most of that will be used to sign our own. We will have limited means to upgrade in FA. Again. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

36 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

LMAO, North Elmira must be Elmira heights 

 

That's probably more colloquially accurate, true 😂

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, boyst said:

AJE is a 4th round comp pick 

 

In 2027 and only if we sign less than we lose.

[juno999]

26 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

Allen has a base salary $16.5 M Dawkins is about $15.5M and Knox is about $9.5M. Beane most likely will convert one of these if not more to a signing bonus to create cap space. Also the salary cap will most likely increase. Bills will be getting younger. About half of their FAs I don’t believe Bills will have much interest in bringing back. 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You are correct. It looks bleak 8 months out 

 

However, contracts will get reworked, some cuts will be made, guys will be re-signed to deals that have lower 1st year hits and they will have a good chunk of money. And yes, most of that will be used to sign our own. We will have limited means to upgrade in FA. Again. 

 

That's just it. We're at around 10 right now. We can probably get up to around 50 with cuts, restructures, etc. 

 

But when you're looking at upwards of 23 bodies including 9 starters and multiple important role players on the team, 50 and 7 Picks is only going to go so far.

 

If he cut into that by trading away some of those picks - it would get even more difficult than it is already. That's in large part why I think you didn't see any moves made.

[thewookie1]

25 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.

 

As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.

 

We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:

 

Unrestricted Free Agents:

 

- DE Joey Bosa

- C Connor McGovern

- G David Edwards

- LB Matt Milano

- DT Daquan Jones

- DE AJ Epenesa

- CB Tre'Davious White

- LB Shaq Thompson 

- FB Reggie Gilliam

- DT Larry Ogunjobi

- WR Elijah Moore

- QB Mitch Trubisky

- CB Cam Lewis

- S Jordan Poyer

- S Damar Hamlin

- S Sam Franklin Jr.

- DT Jordan Phillips

- K Matt Prater

- P Mitch Wishnowsky

- P Cameron Johnston

 

Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:

 

- G Alec Anderson

- OT Ryan Van Demark

- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.

 

You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).

 

All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.

 

It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.

 

I see Knox being renegotiated again; I just can't see them cutting Josh's friend and our #2 TE if the saving aren't stark.

 

From there I'd guess they'd prioritize keeping the OL together

Gilliam and Lewis strike me as depth pieces we will retain almost guaranteed

 

 Jones, Epenesa, Bosa and Ogunjobi will all be money related to if they return

 

My guess would be Milano is a goner; a sad outcome to such a bright player who has just perpetually been injured.

 

White, Thompson, Poyer are all in the same vet boat; retirement/vet practice squad possible. Thompson is likely the only of the 3 who'd leave Buffalo. My guess is Poyer possibly retires and White takes a vet practice squad spot. Poyer's boost from last year comes across to me as a guy who's effectively expending everything he still has so he can retire in peace.

 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, juno999 said:

Allen has a base salary $16.5 M Dawkins is about $15.5M and Knox is about $9.5M. Beane most likely will convert one of these if not more to a signing bonus to create cap space. Also the salary cap will most likely increase. Bills will be getting younger. About half of their FAs I don’t believe Bills will have much interest in bringing back. 

 

Yes, i've heard it said we can get up to around 50 under. But again, that's only going to go so far with 21-23 bodies off our current 53 to replace with only 7 picks. Especially when you have to pay for starters like Bosa, McGovern, and Edwards.

 

Like I said and you mentioned, you can let players walk. But you still have to replace them with cap and Picks. It's not like you can say "let em go, we'll roll with a 32 man roster".

 

We'll replace 7 of them with Draft Picks. But if we made trades, we'd have less picks to replace that large amount of bodies we have going out. That's not nothing in the equation of what happened (or rather didn't happen) today.

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That's just it. We're at around 10 right now. We can probably get up to around 50 with cuts, restructures, etc. 

 

But when you're looking at upwards of 23 bodies including 9 starters and multiple important role players on the team, 50 and 7 Picks is only going to go so far.

 

If he cut into that by trading away some of those picks - it would get even more difficult than it is already. That's in large part why I think you didn't see any moves made.

Agree. We can get to 50. Just tinkering on Over the Cap and I got to around 67M. Of course, Beane won't pull all the levera that I did, nor should he.

 

I was somewhat surprised that someone like RVD wasn't moved as his contract is up and I don't think he's in the long term plans. Takes two to trade, but it wouldn't have shocked me. I wouldn't be shocked if they use next year to shed some of the bad contracts as well 

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I'm sure this will get torched by Bills fans who are still upset we did nothing at the Deadline and were Ciarlo fans. But news nonetheless.

 

Not surprised to see players cut from the Practice Squad to make room for others coming in. Kind of surprised to see Ciarlo and Wilkerson are the ones to be let go. Very frustrating that they chose to keep Spector over Ciarlo.

 

Alas, this means we have 1 Active Roster spot (with Hoecht's IR) and 2 Practice Squad spots open. So 3 players will be coming in to the building.

The Spector thing is a head scratcher. But it just goes to show (possibly) that knowing the system goes father with Beane and McD than anything. Spector may never be available and when he is he may never execute but hey he knows the system. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

 

I see Knox being renegotiated again; I just can't see them cutting Josh's friend and our #2 TE if the saving aren't stark.

 

From there I'd guess they'd prioritize keeping the OL together

Gilliam and Lewis strike me as depth pieces we will retain almost guaranteed

 

 Jones, Epenesa, Bosa and Ogunjobi will all be money related to if they return

 

My guess would be Milano is a goner; a sad outcome to such a bright player who has just perpetually been injured.

 

White, Thompson, Poyer are all in the same vet boat; retirement/vet practice squad possible. Thompson is likely the only of the 3 who'd leave Buffalo. My guess is Poyer possibly retires and White takes a vet practice squad spot. Poyer's boost from last year comes across to me as a guy who's effectively expending everything he still has so he can retire in peace.

 

 

 

The Josh's friend trope is severely overplayed. Business is business. 

[Nuncha]

1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

Indy: Takes out multiple credit cards to buy bottled water at The Bellaggio.

 

Buffalo: We found this really cool yard sale in North Elmira... Hear me out!

 

 

 

Indy has Daniel Jones at QB, and Ya'll worried about them? LOL

[BearNorth]

Wonder if Poyer will go into coaching? or broadcasting?

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The Josh's friend trope is severely overplayed. Business is business. 

 

Agreed. Something like that only goes so far. It feels like Tre White in 2023 all over again. Wherein people can't imagine someone so loved being let go. But business is business.

 

Cutting Dawson Knox would save us just about 10 million on the cap. At a time when we're going to need every dollar and cent we can get (much like 2023). A 29 year old Knox would be lucky to get much more than a third of that on the open market. I don't really see a restructure that would make sense for us. Again, much like White in 2023.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Agreed. Something like that only goes so far. It feels like Tre White in 2023 all over again. Wherein people can't imagine someone so loved being let go. But business is business.

 

Cutting Dawson Knox would save us just about 10 million on the cap. At a time when we're going to need every dollar and cent we can get (much like 2023). A 29 year old Knox would be lucky to get much more than a third of that on the open market. I don't really see a restructure that would make sense for us. Again, much like White in 2023.  

I think they offer Knox the chance to stay with a straight up paycut. As you said, he won't find a huge amount on the open market. If he refuses, yeah I see a cut. 

 

I do think he's valuable in real world football. He does do a lot of good things. But with Hawes and with Kincaid becoming a stronger blocker, I'm not sure his skillset is really unique enough to be of value 

[BananaB]

Familiar faces, no surprise. Beanes mom taught him not to speak to strangers

[juno999]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yes, i've heard it said we can get up to around 50 under. But again, that's only going to go so far with 21-23 bodies off our current 53 to replace with only 7 picks. Especially when you have to pay for starters like Bosa, McGovern, and Edwards.

 

Like I said and you mentioned, you can let players walk. But you still have to replace them with cap and Picks. It's not like you can say "let em go, we'll roll with a 32 man roster".

We’ve been through this before with Beane and he put it together. $50 M plus a likely increase in the salary cap, plus 7 picks plus UDFAs. The trend is to sign backups to 1 year deals in order to have flexibility but the trade off is higher number of FAs each off season. I believe Beane has a good handle on it and it’ll work out. I’m certainly not worried of losing Hamlin, Poyer and Franklin. What’s the plan with Oline?  McGovern is likely gone.  Can SVPG be the starter?  Do they extend Torrence?  Do they re-sign Edwards or do they go with Anderson or Grable at LG?  They’ll probably try to bring Gilliam and Lewis back. Bosa and Epenesa are going to cost some cash. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

More retreads who won't make a difference. Specter kept over Ciarlo. Lame, lame, lame.