SNAP/EBT/Food Stamps

[milfandcookies]

42 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

That is exactly how it works.

For about ten years I would go to South America for work, once per week.

We always arrived back at about 7AM in Miami along with many other flights from the region.

We would constantly see pregnant women entering with proper visas at Immigration.

You get to Know some of the Immigration guys doing this so often and they would often lament on the scores of people who did this, including violating their visitors visas to stay in until the child was born.

 

They would often say "She's never leaving," as one of these would walk by or be in an adjoining line.

 

People who don't travel for a living to that region have no idea what a formal industry this is.

 

it’s not right but you are talking about babies. I’d do the same for my kids if the situation was reversed.
 

Thank the Lord above we are from this country 

[gobills404]

2 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

I’d do the same for my kids if the situation was reversed.

You would enter another country right before having a newborn baby?

[milfandcookies]

Just now, gobills404 said:

You would enter another country right before having a newborn baby?

Yes. if I was a Nicaraguan dealing with violence and poor health services 

[gobills404]

3 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Yes. if I was a Nicaraguan dealing with violence and poor health services 

Of course if you were Nicaraguan you would prioritize what’s best for Nicaraguan children. Instead you’re an American who still prioritizes what’s best for Nicaraguan children.

Edited 3 hours ago by gobills404

[milfandcookies]

Just now, gobills404 said:

Of course if you were Nicaraguan you would prioritize what’s best for Nicaraguan children. Instead you’re an American who still prioritizes what’s best for Nicaraguan children.

I am not 

[gobills404]

1 minute ago, milfandcookies said:

I am not 

Not what?

[milfandcookies]

4 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Not what?

 An American who priorities Nicaraguan children. I do nothing for Nicaraguan children 

[gobills404]

2 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

 An American who priorities Nicaraguan children. I do nothing for Nicaraguan children 

Fooled me

[Wolfgang]

28 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Yes. if I was a Nicaraguan dealing with violence and poor health services 

 

 

 

Are you saying that your moral and ethical compass is predicated on your ability to provide material support for your family?

 

Do you give the same allowance to local criminals who argue that they committed their crimes in support of their families?

 

Where do you draw the line in these scenarios?

[LDD]

51 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

“An anchor baby born from invaders is just as American as someone who’s ancestors have been here since the 1600s”

 

Yup, actually, probably more.  The spirit of America is freedom, hard work and overcoming adversity. A new baby, born to immigrant parents (sorry, Alien Invader Criminals), in a land of opportunity is pretty American.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, LDD said:

Yup, actually, probably more.  The spirit of America is freedom, hard work and overcoming adversity. A new baby, born to immigrant parents (sorry, Alien Invader Criminals), in a land of opportunity is pretty American.  

That's a pretty good philosophical argument. But we have a legal system in place that governs things like customs and immigration practices and general legal processes, procedures, laws, and regulations. In the court of public opinion I'd say you've made a very good point and I might support it but if I was arguing a legal case against you I'd say your statement is irrelevant.

[LDD]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's a pretty good philosophical argument. But we have a legal system in place that governs things like customs and immigration practices and general legal processes, procedures, laws, and regulations. In the court of public opinion I'd say you've made a very good point and I might support it but if I was arguing a legal case against you I'd say your statement is irrelevant.

 

"Irrelevance" doesn't change the fact the kid is as American as you or I...does it counselor?

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, milfandcookies said:

it’s not right but you are talking about babies. I’d do the same for my kids if the situation was reversed.
 

Thank the Lord above we are from this country 

 

That viewpoint is honorable, but extends the problem.

The solution is to stop the US being a safety valve so that these folks don't have to fix problems in their own country.

The first thing we should do is deny citizenship to any child born in the US under a false visa application or to an individual whi is in violation of their visa date of expiration.

We don't do any of that, thus the industry.

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

"Irrelevance" doesn't change the fact the kid is as American as you or I...does it counselor?

That depends on how the courts might rule on challenges to the validity of citizenship claims arising from the use of the anchor baby "loophole". I don't expect the intent of the amendment is to facilitate pregnant women to enter the US with the intent of having their child here in order to grant the child, and themselves, residence and citizenship in the U.S. I think that's an issue.

Edited 1 hour ago by All_Pro_Bills

[milfandcookies]

37 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

Are you saying that your moral and ethical compass is predicated on your ability to provide material support for your family?

 

Do you give the same allowance to local criminals who argue that they committed their crimes in support of their families?

 

Where do you draw the line in these scenarios?

when you grow up and have children you will understand. 
 

There is a moral line, yeah I wouldn’t commit murder or rob a bank for my kids.
 

But man made borders? They are imaginary and not a concern in the good moral book I follow 

4 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

That viewpoint is honorable, but extends the problem.

The solution is to stop the US being a safety valve so that these folks don't have to fix problems in their own country.

The first thing we should do is deny citizenship to any child born in the US under a false visa application or to an individual whi is in violation of their visa date of expiration.

We don't do any of that, thus the industry.

That would be the solution yeah but no one is really trying that 

[All_Pro_Bills]

29 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

when you grow up and have children you will understand. 
 

There is a moral line, yeah I wouldn’t commit murder or rob a bank for my kids.
 

But man made borders? They are imaginary and not a concern in the good moral book I follow 

There are all kinds of borders. National borders, State borders, counties, cities, and towns have borders. the lot your home sits on has borders and boundaries. They are all man-made. We can agree on that. But that doesn't by definition render them imaginary. They can be very real.

 

Hypothetically, would it be acceptable for your neighbor to inform you that they as you do believe borders are imaginary and as a result they see no moral or ethical impediment to constructing an in-ground pool and cabana on your property? For their use but not for your use. How could you argue this is unacceptable given your commitment to the belief borders are man-made and imaginary. Or would you suddenly modify your view and accept that some borders, like property boundaries, are necessary for the ability of a society to function in a constructive and orderly manner?

Edited 1 hour ago by All_Pro_Bills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, gobills404 said:

An anchor baby born from invaders is just as American as someone who’s ancestors have been here since the 1600s”

 

I actually have no words

How bout an Eastern European and her family who are now US citizens for no apparent legitimate legal reason?  Are they equally American to you?  
 

what’s your threshold for being a full citizen?  Depending on the number of generations required, some here may not qualify. Some of the trump administration too. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[LeviF]

"American" is an ethnicity. Same as "English," or "Japanese."

 

A piece of paper issued to you by legal mistake because your squatemalan mother happened to ***** you out on this side of the border doesn't make you American.

[SCBills]

If you look at the nationality breakdown of who is collecting benefits, it’s alarming. 
 

Most of us have a sympathetic heart for those in need, but a countries responsibility is to its citizens.. not to everyone but their citizens, which is increasingly the vibe many feel, especially after the Biden term where it was visibly apparent what is happening re: migration. 
 

And to be completely honest, in regards to illegal (and legal) immigration, there would be more acceptance if the migrants we accept now were assimilating.   They are not.   They come here, don’t learn our language, don’t mesh with our culture, keep to their own communities filled with their own people and then drain America for its generosity. 
 

Its not sustainable on an economic or societal fabric sense. 
 

We’re entering the resentment phase… where Americans are beginning to resent them and they, in turn, resent us. 
 

Who could have seen this coming… except anyone that’s paid attention to Europe. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If you look at the nationality breakdown of who is collecting benefits, it’s alarming. 
 

Most of us have a sympathetic heart for those in need, but a countries responsibility is to its citizens.. not to everyone but their citizens, which is increasingly the vibe many feel, especially after the Biden term where it was visibly apparent what is happening re: migration. 
 

And to be completely honest, in regards to illegal (and legal) immigration, there would be more acceptance if the migrants we accept now were assimilating.   They are not.   They come here, don’t learn our language, don’t mesh with our culture, keep to their own communities filled with their own people and then drain America for its generosity. 
 

Its not sustainable on an economic or societal fabric sense. 
 

We’re entering the resentment phase… where Americans are beginning to resent them and they, in turn, resent us. 
 

Who could have seen this coming… except anyone that’s paid attention to Europe. 

It now costs $100k just to get an H1B visa for professionals. One obvious consequence is the inability to recruit docs to rural areas. The same area that overwhelmingly voted maga. To a lesser but still substantial degree it wlll hurt all hospitals  Other vital industries like engineering or IT will be affected to a similar degree. 
I wonder what it cost trump to obtain citizenship for Melena and her parents. 
https://legalunitedstates.com/trump-h1b-executive-order-2025/

 

Countries like India and China, which supply the majority of H1B professionals, are monitoring the situation closely. Indian IT firms such as Infosys and TCS could see reduced placements in U.S. offices, while American graduates may face less competition domestically.

Meanwhile, Canada, the UK, and Australia are seizing the opportunity by rolling out fast-track visa programs to attract skilled professionals discouraged by the U.S. system.

Edited 1 hour ago by Joe Ferguson forever