The PED Twins how much of a possible upgrade and "shot in the arm" do they represent?

[BigAl2526]

I agree with what most observers would say, that Hoecht is the better player.  Ogunjobi will make a contribution mostly because Daquan Jones is hurt and Buffalo needs some experienced bodies on the interior of the line.  I'm mainly hoping he can solidify the run defense in the middle of the line a bit.  Hoecht is an upgrade to almost any other defensive end on the Bills right now, even Rousseau (the way he's played the last few games.  No, he's not Myles Garrett, but he's something of a physical freak for his size, combining both strength and straight line speed.  I'm counting on him getting some sacks, pressures, TFLs and quarterback hits.

[KOKBILLS]

I think the biggest problem with Hoecht and Ogunjobi is neither play MLB, S, or CB...

Otherwise I don't see how they can't help somewhat...

Edited 13 hours ago by KOKBILLS

[BillsShredder83]

21 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Six weeks in and the PED Twins are coming back off suspension after the bye week. The Defense needs a shot in the arm. Ed, Milano, Daquon, and several others have been banged up with fairly "normal" week to week injuries (every team has injuries). The bye should help with those. But the team is getting two vet D-line players back from suspension in Larry O and Hoecht. While these guys aren't JAGS they aren't super stars either. What type of impact will these two have? How much of a "shot in the arm" do these guys actually represent? 

 

Larry Ogunjobi- He's 31 old but not ancient for a DT (usually they play near a prime level until around age 32/33) but for this season he's not someone whose age should be a concern. He was viewed as a good player by Steelers fans not elite but a quality starter. Known as a good but a bit inconsistent run defender in recent years with the Steelers. His return to the active roster comes at a needed time. With Sanders hurt and the team needing some bodies at DT a decent vet here will help. How much it will help I don't know. Walker and Ed should be the primary DT duo but having Larry Ogunjobi as a solid capable vet rotating in will help them it should also take some snaps away from Daquon who could be in a more early down role. 

 

Michael Hoecht- Just turned 28 so a younger in his prime addition to the D-line. Really showed a lot in pre-season and camp. Known to be a super versatile defender who can line up a lot of different places on the defensive front. Known to set the edge well as a former DT in college. But has some pass rush upside with 13.5 sacks his last 3 with the Rams. Rams fans liked him as a high end rotational player who added some wrinkles to the defense. Overall I think he's going to add some needed depth and versatility. What I think he helps most with is getting Bosa less snaps. With Landon Jackson and Solomon being not that great so far the Bills only have 3 really viable DE's with a 4th viable DE to the mix that should allow the Bills to play Bosa less and keep him fresh. 

 

Overall I would say that these two represent a chance to help improve the defense not by a massive margin but not by an insignificant one either...

On a scale of Vitamin B - Trenbolone Acetate, I'm expecting Deca.  Good strength gains, gives some nice cushion the the DL, while not being a complete hardening transformation, I expect some serious results... with a bit of bloat

 

(HOLY COW I PULLED THAT OFF LOL)

[BillsShredder83]

21 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I think ogunjobi is relatively just another guy in the DT rotation. Won’t move the needle but better than a street free agent coming in

 

hoecht should be a nice addition. Not a game changer but will help with disguising looks and keeping legs fresh on the more important guys with less drop off

Ogunjobi is supposed to be a bit of a run specialist isnt he?  Thats a welcomed skill set, while not expecting Wilfork results.

 

Hoecht is a guy Im actually excited about.  For all my criticism of Coach lately, I am 100% confident that he will get the most out of him as a chess piece.  A Lorenzo Alexander lite is what my impression is (dont think he played under McD though).

19 hours ago, BearNorth said:

With Miami in meltdown mode, is a draft choice trade for Douglas a possibility.  He's grading much higher [6th among CB's] than any of our DB's.  Did McBeane miscalculate this?

Sounds suspicious.  What was his injury he was rehabbing from last year? I'm leaning towards, No, but have not seen him at all.  I guess its possible, he did fall of a cliff hard last year, and isnt THAT old. Mehhh. If he can help us and were talking a 6th and 7th rd swap, he could be depth... but again, only if theyre certain last year was health related

[BillsShredder83]

7 hours ago, nucci said:

agree but still not sold on Babich. Also agree talent level on back 7 is not great.

Im not.  Good news is McD seems to be a healthy upgrade when taking over defensive calls, in spot duty only. Give him reigns till end of season and then get him a REAL DC. 

[colin]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Ogunjobi is supposed to be a bit of a run specialist isnt he?  Thats a welcomed skill set, while not expecting Wilfork results.

 

Hoecht is a guy Im actually excited about.  For all my criticism of Coach lately, I am 100% confident that he will get the most out of him as a chess piece.  A Lorenzo Alexander lite is what my impression is (dont think he played under McD though).

 

lorax was really good under mcd, he was an all pro (2nd team) in 16, and played in 17, 18, and 19 for the mcd d and did really well in spot play.

 

hoyt will be our lorax now, and obietrenkanobie will be a solid DT.

 

going from snaps with wet behind the ears rookies and practice squad guys to a deep DT rotation of oliver, dq, walker, obiwan, tj sanders in base dl sets is awesome.  being able to have some fresh legs and go bosa oliver, groot, aj (mix in walker and hoyt) as a nascar package is a big deal too.

 

last year in the playoffs in must impact downs late vs lamar jackson and kermit we had jordan phillips, the ghost of von, and solomon taking meaningful quantities of reps.  that's shocking.

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, harryS said:

You'd have to be a dope to think these guys will significantly change the team.  They may raise Buffalo's EPO/play a little bit but their juice will run out soon.

Laughing at the 2 guys who got caught, while overlooking the other 50% (incredibly conservative) that are putting banned substances in their body year round.  Its incredibly naive to look back 10-20 years ago, compare those players to today, and think its nutrition "these guys know WHEN to feed themselves" LOL

 

The demands have exponentially increased for players, theyre putting their body through stresses never seen before.  They're just trying not to break down on the side of the road here

[Big Turk]

50 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

On a scale of Vitamin B - Trenbolone Acetate, I'm expecting Deca.  Good strength gains, gives some nice cushion the the DL, while not being a complete hardening transformation, I expect some serious results... with a bit of bloat

 

(HOLY COW I PULLED THAT OFF LOL)

 

Hahaha...if it was Tren they might be getting thrown out of the game regularly from personal fouls for excessive aggressiveness post whistle 😂

[LABILLBACKER]

22 hours ago, bmur66 said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath hoping these are the missing pieces

Well beggars can't be choosers....I don't exactly see Myles Garrett coming off suspension to us.