Can everyone just take a freakin breath?

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, BananaB said:

A few weeks ago when he was asked about the WR separation he said something on the lines that if he throws the ball better they won’t need separation.  Kind of made me laugh.  That is who he is though. There isn’t a person more valuable in this organization than him, if he wants change he’s gonna have to speak up himself. 

I agree.  While I respect Allen for this it's also not sustainable in a sport that relies so heavily on TEAM performance.  Think about the Super Bowls Bills and all the help Kelly got from Thomas, Reed, Loften, Beebe & Metzelars.  All the incredible catches and plays made almost every week. This season we are lucky to see 1 or 2 great plays per month by the receivers.

 

Even during the drought years think about the quality of WR in Buffalo:  Moulds, Johnson, Evans, Price, Woods & Josh Reed.  Only Diggs and maybe Beasley could match those guys.

 

 

[dgrochester55]

Buffalo is not going to get any better under McDermott and Beane. I am also an Orioles fan and they were the exact same way under Buck Showalter from 2012-2018.  Fast turnaround and promising playoff run after a long period of time, but spinning their wheels and refusing to address the weaknesses in pitching and depth, drafting and signing the wrong people until eventually the wheels feel off fast and they were back to being awful again for a few years after.

 

My worry is that Buffalo is doing the same, our cap is locked with defensive players and receivers who disappear for games at a time and most of our free agents do not pan out. Today's game was the first time that I saw the same thing potentially happening here, if we play like that, we will be lucky to win another two games this season. Close losses to young and hungry Patriots and Falcons teams is one thing, but there is no excuse for a blowout loss against a team that fell apart at the seams over the last couple of weeks. McDermott is football's version of Showalter and it is time to move on before it is too late.

Edited 1 hour ago by dgrochester55

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Id take the anger and screaming over sitting on the end of the bench with a tablet. 

Well that's something that's been Josh Allen for a long time now 

 

You don't really see him rile up the troops anymore .. you don't see him slapping up guys on the sidelines and getting them pumped up 

 

He is kind of a quiet leader.. most of his pumping up is in the locker room or in the tunnel

 

Like I do believe he can take another step as a leader by holding people as accountable as he does himself you... I know he's a great teammate but that doesn't mean he can't demand the best out of you

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Well that's something that's been Josh Allen for a long time now 

 

You don't really see him rile up the troops anymore .. you don't see him slapping up guys on the sidelines and getting them pumped up 

 

He is kind of a quiet leader.. most of his pumping up is in the locker room or in the tunnel

 

It comes with the job though.  They are paying him in part to lead the team.

[Chaos]

18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

My biggest issue is the Bills feel like they are stuck.   When they were bad during draught the team could at least sell hope, the only way to go was up.    Right now, it feels like we are stuck in a slow degradation of bad contracts, aging stars, and leadership you cant trust to be flexible enough to improve this quickly enough.   They've gotten away from failing fast.  

 

Beane has been so stubborn about WR the last two years that he now finds himself in a position where he almost has to overpay via trade this offseason.  If they gamble in the draft again you may find yourself in a situation where the WR you draft is maturing when your franchise QB is 34 or 35 years old, if they become good at all. 

 

 

 

 

The Colts (Manning years) , Steelers (Big Ben years), Patriots (Voltomort years) all reached the pinnacle and reloaded regularly, all built around a Super Star QB.  The chiefs are down some this year, but they have won a couple of super bowls and the Mahome era will never be considered a failure.  You see the Rams rapidly rebuildind, and the Eagles reloading each year.   Bills really haven't reached the pinnacle, and dont seem to know how to reload. (hint - in 2025, its not drafting guys that take 3 to 4 years to developand then sign to long term contracts).   Bills management is better than a lot of teams (Jets, Titans, Dolphins, Jaguars) but they really are not in the top tier.     Josh Allen is my favorite athlete to root for in my life (I am a senior citizen).  But someone needs to figure out if we 1) are rebuilding rapidly around Allen. And if this is the choice, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to do this or 2) and its painful to say, Consider if Allen could be used to for a drove of picks.  And if that is the case, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to manage it.  It does not seem fathomable that we are going to continue to follow the strategy combining running it back with putting the band back together (Phillips, Davis, White, Pryor, Trubisky)

[Buffalo716]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

 

It comes with the job though.  They are paying him in part to lead the team.

As I said he could improve even his leadership a bit 

 

If he got a little loud and demanded accountability.. demanded you play with your best effort 

 

You don't have to be an all pro but you need to run every route hard and block hard etc ... He was just with Manning doing that little skit.. I'm surprised Manning didn't tell him he needs to sometimes take the bull by the horns 

 

Peyton had no problem ringing into anybody

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I said he could improve even his leadership a bit 

 

If he got a little loud and demanded accountability.. demanded you play with your best effort 

 

You don't have to be an all pro but you need to run every route hard and block hard etc ... He was just with Manning doing that little skit.. I'm surprised Manning didn't tell him he needs to sometimes take the bull by the horns 

 

Peyton had no problem ringing into anybody

 

Peyton is the exact guy I was thinking about.  He had no issue tearing into guys.   He didnt discriminate, he even tore into Hall of Famers.

[CincyBillsFan]

33 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The Colts (Manning years) , Steelers (Big Ben years), Patriots (Voltomort years) all reached the pinnacle and reloaded regularly, all built around a Super Star QB.  The chiefs are down some this year, but they have won a couple of super bowls and the Mahome era will never be considered a failure.  You see the Rams rapidly rebuildind, and the Eagles reloading each year.   Bills really haven't reached the pinnacle, and dont seem to know how to reload. (hint - in 2025, its not drafting guys that take 3 to 4 years to developand then sign to long term contracts).   Bills management is better than a lot of teams (Jets, Titans, Dolphins, Jaguars) but they really are not in the top tier.     Josh Allen is my favorite athlete to root for in my life (I am a senior citizen).  But someone needs to figure out if we 1) are rebuilding rapidly around Allen. And if this is the choice, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to do this or 2) and its painful to say, Consider if Allen could be used to for a drove of picks.  And if that is the case, are Beane and McDermott the right guys to manage it.  It does not seem fathomable that we are going to continue to follow the strategy combining running it back with putting the band back together (Phillips, Davis, White, Pryor, Trubisky)

Good points:

 

You make a compelling argument that McD/Bean are not nearly as good as 7 or 8 coaches/GM pair's who have built Super Bowl winning teams around elite QBs and managed to reload while doing it.  Sure McD/Bean are better then the dumpster fires in places like NY, Miami, Tennessee and others but that is faint praise.

 

I think the answer to whether or not we're rebuilding rapidly around Allen is "no, we are not" and worse what we are doing is strategically wrong headed and counter productive.

 

And I don't think McD/Bean are the right guys to do it.  I'll wait until the end of the season to more firmly decide, because for me hope springs eternal, but ever since 13 seconds I have slowly but surely lost confidence in those two to get it right with Allen.  It's not a straight down drop it's more along the lines of 2 steps back then one step forward followed by 2 steps back, etc.

 

As for swapping Allen for a bunch of picks that is coming from the Mike Greenberg suggestion that the Jets offer all 5 of their 1st round picks for Joe Burrow.  It's a great thought exercise over a beer but I can't see the Bills ever doing that.  Allen, not first round picks is the key to winning a Bills SB and unless the Bills got better after Allen left Pegula would soon have trouble filling up that brand new palace the tax payer just built. And I have a sneaky suspicion that wherever Allen went a SB might be in their future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[saundena]

This year I realized that McBeane isn't the answer.  They are very good but hit their ceiling.

 

The roster isn't great and we've spent so much on trying to build a defensive line (that we still don't have) and in the mean time sacrificed offensive skill positions.  Other than Josh, the only all star group we have is at OL.

 

My real fear is that Josh has peaked physically.  Hos big play escapablity is lacking and I'm afraid he's turning into Cam Newton.  I don't think he achieves 40 TD this year.  

 

We have a Ferrari at QB but we put crap tires and cheap gas in it.  He's going to need more and more roster help and I don't think McBeane are the people to build it or coach it.