Play GM for a day

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

There's still another 3 weeks before we have to worry about making room for Hoecht and Ogunjobi. Who knows how healthy we'll be then and if one or more people need to be moved to IR.

 

Same thing goes for Hairston, in a way. We can designate a return to practice after this week. We then can have him practice for up to 21 Days before we have to activate him to the 53 or shut him down for the year.

 

I don't see them designating his return, activating him, and throwing him on the field for Week 5. I think it's more likely they designate his return to practice after this week and then they let him get up to speed in Practice and also give him the Week 6 Bye as well and he doesn't see the field until Week 7 - along with Hoecht and Ogunjobi.

 

And again, we have 3 more games before we have to worry about that. Anything could happen between now and then. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

28 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

my buddy was just texting me about how well (albeit under the radar) DQ has played these last two games. What makes you think he is playing so terribly?  (I haven’t noticed him one way or the other).

[BuffaloBillyG]

First person off this team of I were the GM when Max gets back... Codrington. He adds absolutely nothing at the CB position. And he's making a lot of poor choices on PR. He let one ball slip through his arms and has another "return" where he had to dive forward and catch the ball. Easily could have been another fumble. He made some poor decisions in the first two games as well. Who returns kicks then? Well, we have a lot of possibilities. Ray Davis could help out on KR. Possibly Moore. Ty Johnson. Shakir has done PR in the past IIRC. And little know fact, in his last year in college, Keon Coleman was one of the top rated returners in the nation. 

 

We are at a stage that with our offense we don't need to steal 6 points on STs. We need punt catchers....not punt returners lol.

 

As far as the other two spots. I'm in favor of mothballing Milano til later in the season. He would head to IR. 

 

As far as the third spot? Perhaps Franklin. 

[QLBillsFan]

42 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Bills have three players that hopefully will be returning soon.    

Hairston and Hoecht seem like locks to make the 53.  Ogunjobi to me is 50/50.

Play GM for a moment and post what you would do knowing what you know today.

 

Here is what I would do...

 

Add Hairston - Cut Ingram

Add Hoecht - put Milano on IR designated to return - this gives Milano time to heal and kicks the decision on another player down the road.  

Add Ogunjobi and cut DQ. I considered just cutting Ogunjobi but DQ has been awful.  

 

As much as I want to get rid of Epenesa, DQ is playing even worse.  

I also considered cutting Samuel but I think they keep him for injury insurance.  

 

 

 

Too early to make any moves. Ingram being cut is possible.
Why would the Bills put MM in IR to add one of the suspended guys. Who aren’t even able to practice until the bye week. They are in no way cutting DQ. They are not cutting CS or Epenesa. Cap implications for all three. They woukd have cut those guys in pre season if that was going to happen. 

[gonzo1105]

I’ve already stated what I would do in numerous other threads. 
 

Daquon Jones goes to IR for 4 weeks. Yes, I realize he’s not injured but I think he’s likely to retire at the end of the year and by him getting “injured” we can put him on IR and see if we need him if another DT gets hurt. Also have Logue and Phillips at the PS. Activate Ogunjobi

 

Trade AJ Epenesa. Hoecht will essentially become the # 3 DE which Epenesa is currently occupying and with Epenesa becoming DE 4 he is now blocking the potential development of Solomon and Landon Jackson. Trade him for a late rounder. Activate Hoecht

 

Release Brandon Codrington: Activate Maxwell Hairston. Yup I would release Codrington. He only provides one thing and that is as a Punt returner. He is not valuable enough to keep solely for that particularly with the numbers crunch. People also have to remember he was healthy down the stretch last year and they decided to stick with Khalil Shakir as their Punt Returner down the stretch and he did very well. 
 

Place Grable on season ending Injured Reserve: 

 

People forget we can activate Grable as well in week 5 which would have to open up a roster spot. In my opinion if you have any doubts about his dome then just let him recover and let Lundt/RVD hold down the backup tackle spots. If Grable is good to go then I think the easy thing to do is try to trade RVD for a late draft pick 

[GunnerBill]

Just in respect of numbers it has to be at least one DL and at least one DB as straight swaps. I think the third one you have some flexibility in terms of position. 

 

If it were me personally I'd go:

- Cut Sam Franklin (re-sign to PS which also resets his elevations). Really good STs player and not sure they will do this but I think having twon DBs (Codrington as well) who really only play teams is a luxury you can't afford if it means cutting a guy like Ingram who can play multiple spots. 

 

- Trade AJ Epenesa. Don't think we have seen enough from the edge guys outside of Bosa so far and while I am not under the illusion you would get much in return but maybe a team really struggling for pressure like a certain NFC South team we love to do deals with might flip you a late day 3 pick. I'd consider cutting Solomon too but I think he is a better teams player and he is cheap depth for another two seasons on his rookie deal so from a long term roster management perspective he makes more sense to keep. 

 

- Cut Curtis Samuel. I'd rather not do this one, but if I have to cut a third guy it is Samuel. He is clearly WR6 on this roster, doesn't play teams and is a vet insurance luxury. He is gone after 2025 in any event. 

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

my buddy was just texting me about how well (albeit under the radar) DQ has played these last two games. What makes you think he is playing so terribly?  (I haven’t noticed him one way or the other).

 

He has. I am head of the "DQ is washed" club but he was really good Thursday and played okay vs the Jets. FWIW PFF has him as the 3rd ranked DT in all of football right now. That feels like a overselling it to me but I don't think you can cut your most natural 1T when he playing pretty well to end up with a DT room of four primary 3Ts.

[eee1776]

If it was up to me personally I would Fire Bobby Babich, how much longer to I have to hear " I have to do a better job"

[NeverOutNick]

26 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

First person off this team of I were the GM when Max gets back... Codrington. He adds absolutely nothing at the CB position. And he's making a lot of poor choices on PR. He let one ball slip through his arms and has another "return" where he had to dive forward and catch the ball. Easily could have been another fumble. He made some poor decisions in the first two games as well. Who returns kicks then? Well, we have a lot of possibilities. Ray Davis could help out on KR. Possibly Moore. Ty Johnson. Shakir has done PR in the past IIRC. And little know fact, in his last year in college, Keon Coleman was one of the top rated returners in the nation. 

 

We are at a stage that with our offense we don't need to steal 6 points on STs. We need punt catchers....not punt returners lol.

 

As far as the other two spots. I'm in favor of mothballing Milano til later in the season. He would head to IR. 

 

As far as the third spot? Perhaps Franklin. 

Was on board with Codrington cut for Hairston. If Milano is healthy you can’t IR him but I like the idea if he really does need the time. The only one I don’t want to see is Franklin gone. He’s been awesome on ST and I have to believe he’d be just as good or better than Hamlin at safety in a pinch so bye bye Hamlin go to PS (no other team is picking him up for their active roster) and start activating Hancock if healthy. 
 

I am also fine with Curtis Samuel being cut like Gunner said earlier. Moore fills what Samuel was supposed to be and then some

Edited September 20 by NeverOutNick

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Was on board with Codrington cut for Hairston. If Milano is healthy you can’t IR him but I like the idea if he really does need the time. The only one I don’t want to see is Franklin gone. He’s been awesome on ST and I have to believe he’d be just as good or better than Hamlin at safety in a pinch so bye bye Hamlin go to PS (no other team is picking him up for their active roster) and start activating Hancock if healthy. 

I personally believe Milano is way more injured than they are letting on. Pectoral issues normally are lengthy healing processes. I of course don't know exactly how bad the injury truly is but if I was placing a bet...I don't think we see him for a while. 

 

Franklin isn't a guy that I think would be claimed on waivers. He would go to the PS and have his call ups. That would buy a few weeks. 

 

Hamlin has value to this team. He may even have more value in his reduced role as he did as a starter. He's good right where he is, 2nd team. But having a guy that's been a starter in this system on the main roster is very valuable both as a voice in the S room to help Bishop and as an experienced guy in the system if we need him due to injury in a game. He's also a pretty solid core special teamer. Lastly I don't think we even save any money by cutting him, though I'm too lazy ATM to look it up lol

[NeverOutNick]

Shaq Thompson looked pretty good so if we did have to put Milano on temporary IR we’d be fine over this cupcake stretch. Also if that happened and we could activate both Grable and Hairston from IR and bring in the 2 suspended knuckleheads I’d just get rid of the 3 players that contribute the least to our current roster: 

 

1. Curtis Samuel - expendable and not a real WR

 

2. Codrington - luxury pick not needed 

 

3. Hamlin - easily stashed on PS. Hancock time 🥳

 

I get that some people look strictly at numbers but I LOVE our OL depth and don’t want to trade any away in case of significant injuries later in the season and why not stack up the DL and let the cream rise to the top. Odd man out can be traded near the deadline if need be. Solomon and Epenesa have value even if us Bills fans don’t see it and plus Jackson seems to be entrenched on the not ready for action/ inactive list for the time being 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, NeverOutNick said:

Shaq Thompson looked pretty good so if we did have to put Milano on temporary IR we’d be fine over this cupcake stretch. Also if that happened and we could activate both Grable and Hairston from IR and bring in the 2 suspended knuckleheads I’d just get rid of the 3 players that contribute the least to our current roster: 

 

1. Curtis Samuel - expendable and not a real WR

 

2. Codrington - luxury pick not needed 

 

3. Hamlin - easily stashed on PS. Hancock time 🥳

 

I get that some people look strictly at numbers but I LOVE our OL depth and don’t want to trade any away in case of significant injuries later in the season and why not stack up the DL and let the cream rise to the top. Odd man out can be traded near the deadline if need be. Solomon and Epenesa have value even if us Bills fans don’t see it and plus Jackson seems to be entrenched on the not ready for action/ inactive list for the time being 

 

If they do put Milano on IR they need another linebacker. They can't have just 4 on the roster. Especially if they want to carry on running more 4-3 base (which they shouldn't but maybe they do).

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If they do put Milano on IR they need another linebacker. They can't have just 4 on the roster. Especially if they want to carry on running more 4-3 base (which they shouldn't but maybe they do).

Seems like they like Keonta Jenkins so they could leave Grable on IR a little longer until Milano is healthy than activate him and Grable and bye Jenkins And whichever D lineman doesn’t cut the mustard can be traded at that point if no other significant injury. 

[gonzo1105]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If they do put Milano on IR they need another linebacker. They can't have just 4 on the roster. Especially if they want to carry on running more 4-3 base (which they shouldn't but maybe they do).

Apparently Jenkins got dinged up as well in the game so if he can’t be called up next week because of injury we only have Ciarlo. It’s unfortunate for Jenkins but if his injury is for any length of time beyond a week  you almost have to injury settlement with him and bring in another LB for the PS 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

- Cut Curtis Samuel. I'd rather not do this one, but if I have to cut a third guy it is Samuel. He is clearly WR6 on this roster, doesn't play teams and is a vet insurance luxury. He is gone after 2025 in any event. 

 

I think they're still holding out hope that if they can keep him healthy and untouched throughout the year, that some team with money that has injuries at WR will take the contract off of our hands.

 

Halfway through the season and having not taken the damage that the rest of the league's active players have to that point - he could hold more value than he did prior to Week 1.

 

I wouldn't cut him though. A healthy and fresh Curtis Samuel is a pretty nice thing to be able to call upon in a pinch halfway through an NFL season. And we're paying for him anyways. 

 

Like I said, we've got 3 more games before we have to worry about any of this. Hopefully (knock on wood) we'll be healthy and tough decisions will have to be made. But it could easily not be difficult at all.

[gonzo1105]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think they're still holding out hope that if they can keep him healthy and untouched throughout the year, that some team with money that has injuries at WR will take the contract off of our hands.

 

Halfway through the season and having not taken the damage that the rest of the league's active players have to that point - he could hold more value than he did prior to Week 1.

 

I wouldn't cut him though. A healthy and fresh Curtis Samuel is a pretty nice thing to be able to call upon in a pinch halfway through an NFL season. And we're paying for him anyways. 

 

Like I said, we've got 3 more games before we have to worry about any of this. Hopefully (knock on wood) we'll be healthy and tough decisions will have to be made. But it could easily not be difficult at all.

We have one more game before a decision has to be made on Grable and Hairston. Granted we can stall that out for an additional 21 days after activating them but I think that is only likely for Grable. I’m sure if Hairston is ready he’ll be back for week 5 prep 

[BillsFanForever19]

37 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

We have one more game before a decision has to be made on Grable and Hairston. Granted we can stall that out for an additional 21 days after activating them but I think that is only likely for Grable. I’m sure if Hairston is ready he’ll be back for week 5 prep 

 

I disagree. Even if he were back at Practice for Week 5, like you said, we don't have to activate him to the 53 for 3 Weeks (bringing us to Week 8).

 

I see almost no shot that they're going to immediately activate him off of injury after Week 4, have him take a total of 3 practices, and immediately stick him on the field in his first ever NFL game. I think that's what fans want, but I don't think that's how the team is going to handle it.

 

And there's been no indication that he'll be 100% healthy after Week 4. So the idea that he'll definitely be designated to return after Week 4 isn't a given. I could easily see a scenario where he isn't designated to return until Week 6.

 

But even if they do it immediately, they're going to work him back in and let him get at least a couple weeks of Practices in first before they think about putting him on the field. And at that point, they'd probably just give him through the Bye rather than bring him back for one week before the Bye.

 

I still maintain that I wouldn't expect to see him until Week 8 at the earliest.

Edited September 20 by BillsFanForever19

[gonzo1105]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I disagree.

 

I see almost no shot that they're going to immediately activate him off of injury after Week 4, have him take a total of 3 practices, and immediately stick him on the field in his first ever NFL game.

 

There's been no indication that he'll be 100% healthy after Week 4. So the idea that he'll definitely be designated to return after Week 4 isn't a given.

 

But even if they do, they're going to work him back in and let him get at least a couple weeks of Practices in first before they think about putting him on the field. And at that point, they'd probably just give him through the Bye rather than bring him back for one week before the Bye.

 

I still maintain that I wouldn't expect to see him until Week 8 at the earliest.

I’m not saying they are planning on playing him but I’m saying they are going to want him in meetings , involved with game planning and prepping him to get up to speed to be ready to play. Nowhere did I say he was going to play vs the Patriots. Grable they can play the long game with. That was the basis of my point. They keywords was Week 5 prep

[Sojourner]

 

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I’m not saying they are planning on playing him but I’m saying they are going to want him in meetings , involved with game planning and prepping him to get up to speed to be ready to play. Nowhere did I say he was going to play vs the Patriots. Grable they can play the long game with. That was the basis of my point. They keywords was Week 5 prep

 

My mistake. I thought the message of being able to wait for Grable but not for Hairston and the wording of "week 5 prep" implied prepping to play for Week 5.