Royale with Cheese Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, LeviF said: By a government official taking to his official, government official account (complete with the little US Capitol icon) to call a comedian a Nazi. Even after moving the goalposts (from "using the government to cancel people" to "lean on business interests," a motte/bailey if I ever saw one) you have nothing. But if you're actually too thick to understand how that's exactly what you're talking about (you're not), the Biden WH sent daily emails to Meta demanding certain content be banished from their sites. You're lying because you can't actually defend Kimmel on the merits. He lied about an assassination on broadcast television. His network is restricted from airing anything about a crime they know to be false at the time of airing. The FCC thinks that his network can be punished for it. The network's lawyers appear to agree. Carr is absolutely in the right to warn and fine ABC over it. This is all that needs to be said. 2
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 18 Posted September 18 3 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Well, to address the specifics of what Kimmel said, I think he was wrong to connect the Kirk killer to MAGA. However, at that time, there were a lot of reports about who this killer was, his politics, etc... The story at that time was that the guy's family was MAGA. We've learned more since then. But anyway, none of that would be sufficient for a POTUS and his administration to do what is being done here. This is authoritarian. I think you know this, but instead of admitting it, it's more fun to celebrate this as a Win for you. He's been lying for a while now. Actions have consequences, which apparently you're not in favor of. 1
SectionC3 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: That's the only thing that matters. He was wrong. He violated the FCC conditions. Which conditions, exactly?
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Just now, SectionC3 said: Which conditions, exactly? You know who knows this EXTREMELY well? ABC's Lawyers. I'm just letting you know that an organization as large as ABC's is going to have the best lawyers money can buy. So are you going to tell me right now on a Bills Message Board that those Attorney's are wrong? As soon as those comments came out, there was probably an immediate meeting with Legal. The next day, Kimmel was put on hold. That was pretty quick. Even Colbert got until April. Kimmel was immediate because ABC knew that they were going to be held liable if he wasn't taken off. To me, it's very clear he violated communication integrity. That is a direct violation of the FCC. 1
boyst Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Actually, Roseanne Barr was quite out of her mind and it was clear that it was not possible for the show to go forward. The important point is that the administration did not cause it to happen. The fact that you disagree with the politics of most of the entertainment industry is unrelated. What is happening with Kimmel is directly the result of the current administration using its power and influence to eliminate people and voices that they disagree with. Anyone who has ever supported free speech or the constitution or American freedoms generally should be against this. I get why some people are celebrating, because they happen to hate Kimmel, but it's clear that this sets a very bad precedent. It's authoritarian. in your opinion. there are countless others in hollywood who were given similar treatment. from james woods the OG of our time to Jenna Corino. your second point: tucker carlson, and many others were canceled by the obama admin. further, and more devious is that the IRS was weaponized to attack conservative groups. i do not remember if you had an opinion on this when it happened. would you like to comment on it now? whats your take on carlson being fired? or many journalists? especially those not left enough... i forget one of them but she was a highly popular journlist who was most surely democrat. there's also jk rowling... please comment for these and support them just as you do Kimmel and then you will be respected for integrity and not just another political mouthpiece. oh, and when we're done there we will revisit constituional law and how it does not at all apply to the public at large, hollywood, private groups, or anything other than the US Government since it only exists to put boundaries on the authority of the governemnt. not the people. Edited September 18 by boyst
B-Man Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Sinclair Says Kimmel Suspension is Not Enough, Calls on FCC and ABC to Take Additional Action Sinclair’s ABC stations to Air Special in Remembrance of Charlie Kirk During Jimmy Kimmel Live! Friday Timeslot Sinclair, the nation’s largest ABC affiliate group, objects to recent comments made by Mr. Kimmel concerning the assassination of Charlie Kirk. As discussed with ABC earlier today, Sinclair decided to indefinitely preempt Jimmy Kimmel Live beginning tonight. Following these discussions, ABC suspended production of “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” “Mr. Kimmel’s remarks were inappropriate and deeply insensitive at a critical moment for our country,” said Vice Chairman Jason Smith. “We believe broadcasters have a responsibility to educate and elevate respectful, constructive dialogue in our communities. We appreciate FCC Chairman Carr’s remarks today, and this incident highlights the critical need for the FCC to take immediate regulatory action to address control held over local broadcasters by the big national networks.” Sinclair’s ABC stations will air a special in remembrance of Charlie Kirk this Friday, during the Jimmy Kimmel Live! timeslot. The special will also air across all Sinclair stations this weekend. In addition, Sinclair is offering the special to all ABC affiliates across the country. Sinclair will not lift the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live! on our stations until formal discussions are held with ABC regarding the network’s commitment to professionalism and accountability. 1
SectionC3 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: You know who knows this EXTREMELY well? ABC's Lawyers. I'm just letting you know that an organization as large as ABC's is going to have the best lawyers money can buy. So are you going to tell me right now on a Bills Message Board that those Attorney's are wrong? As soon as those comments came out, there was probably an immediate meeting with Legal. The next day, Kimmel was put on hold. That was pretty quick. Even Colbert got until April. Kimmel was immediate because ABC knew that they were going to be held liable if he wasn't taken off. To me, it's very clear he violated communication integrity. That is a direct violation of the FCC. You know who doesn't know it? You. You just spouted off without any basis for your assertion. And you don't know whether these attorneys actually reached the conclusion you assume they did. Take it from an actual attorney. Put your finger on this rule or rules that allegedly were violated, otherwise I don't want to hear about it. It's a different way of saying put up or shut up on the issue.
Westside Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: So just accuse someone on lying and you can get them replaced on national media? Wow, the whole media is going to be pro-Trump soon Putin's Russia here we come. I guess I'll have to stop posting soon, too or I'll get reported Make America Great Again? Wow Wow!!!!! How can one simpleton like tibs not see the irony when he advocated the removal of any one who was anti vax. And let’s not forget the indoctrination classes for anyone not woke or a leftist. This disgusting little person is such a liar. Your ideology is dead!!!! GOD Bless America!!!! 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Just now, SectionC3 said: You know who doesn't know it? You. You just spouted off without any basis for your assertion. And you don't know whether these attorneys actually reached the conclusion you assume they did. Take it from an actual attorney. Put your finger on this rule or rules that allegedly were violated, otherwise I don't want to hear about it. It's a different way of saying put up or shut up on the issue. Well I have the ability to use deductive reasoning. Kimmel makes stupid remarks that are not true. Violates the FCC. ABC potentially liable for this. 100% with certainty there was a meeting with Legal. ABC removed Kimmel immediately. Yeah you're right, I have zero basis for my assertion. I am just grabbing nothing in air.
SectionC3 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: YEP. But they keep ignoring that fact. Planning this for months. But it's Trump's fault. So the timing of the FCC involvement is just a coincidence? And when were those numbers released? Probably quite awhile ago. So the idea that this is *just* numbers driven is probably BS. I don't disagree that ABC might not have been so quick to pull the plug if this was 90s Seinfeld with 28 million viewers. But viewership is far from the only reason, and probably not even the catalyst, from what happened here.
boyst Posted September 18 Posted September 18 12 hours ago, boyst said: Holy ***** you folks are arguing this like there isn't 1 simple truth. Kimmel wasn't drawing money the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. About 1.5mm people were watching him. It was just a good reason to cancel his show. The next one I'm curious will be Stern. But , he still draws money Sirius barely has but his demographic is all too old to make a dent. He is Imus. I was a mega stern fan when he was funny and liked Kimmel a whole lot too @Cugalabanza also this i don't agree he should have been fired for politics. i don't think he was. but i think he was fired and politics was the reason for it - follow me out here. he was losing money and it was long rumored he was on the way out as are most late night shows. firing him now at this juncture allows everyone to blame trump and more ammo for the Dem machine and Kimmel. instead of Kimmel himself taking a buy out or simple firing for poor performance which is what he had -- he can now claim political attacks and garner more support to rally against trump. this was brilliant move to make him look like the victim when he honestly just lost his audience . 1
B-Man Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: So the timing of the FCC involvement is just a coincidence? You're getting closer t the truth. I am not a fan of canceling people over stupid, bigoted comments But I suspect this is just Disney's excuse to cancel a show that is no longer profitable 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18 Posted September 18 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: So the timing of the FCC involvement is just a coincidence? And when were those numbers released? Probably quite awhile ago. So the idea that this is *just* numbers driven is probably BS. I don't disagree that ABC might not have been so quick to pull the plug if this was 90s Seinfeld with 28 million viewers. But viewership is far from the only reason, and probably not even the catalyst, from what happened here. I mean, he just said those 2 nights ago. Did you want them to either wait a long time to do something or to predict the future?
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: You either tow the line or you are done. The not so slow road to fascism here. The hilarity of this post, Disney has been losing money on the show for years but kept thinking they could turn it around. They gave up hope when he decided to lie and insult half the country but you think it should be kept on because you agree with his beliefs. You truly are the fascist, believing a capitalist company should lose money to keep your childish thoughts happy.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18 Posted September 18 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: You're getting closer t the truth. I am not a fan of canceling people over stupid, bigoted comments But I suspect this is just Disney's excuse to cancel a show that is no longer profitable I'm not either. But don't lie like Kimmel did.
Westside Posted September 18 Posted September 18 12 minutes ago, boyst said: @Cugalabanza also this i don't agree he should have been fired for politics. i don't think he was. but i think he was fired and politics was the reason for it - follow me out here. he was losing money and it was long rumored he was on the way out as are most late night shows. firing him now at this juncture allows everyone to blame trump and more ammo for the Dem machine and Kimmel. instead of Kimmel himself taking a buy out or simple firing for poor performance which is what he had -- he can now claim political attacks and garner more support to rally against trump. this was brilliant move to make him look like the victim when he honestly just lost his audience . You’re overthinking it. He’s a lying disgusting hack who this country no longer has the stomach for. Time to purge the domestic terrorist in this country ASAP!!
Tommy Callahan Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Wait. A for profit show on a for profit platform was cancelled as it was losing viewership and want making anywhere close to a profit.
SectionC3 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 31 minutes ago, B-Man said: You're getting closer t the truth. I am not a fan of canceling people over stupid, bigoted comments But I suspect this is just Disney's excuse to cancel a show that is no longer profitable It may be. I think the FCC comments did it in large part because the candle of the show (probably profitable, but not a huge profit driver like, say, MNF, Saturday Night Football, or 90s Seinfeld) wasn't worth the game of the FCC headache. And, FYI, this isn't directed at you, but at the person who cited the August numbers. It's friggin August. TV viewership is down across the board. They're also 18-49 numbers IIRC, which probably aren't the target demo of that show.
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