Ravens fans vs Bills fan discussion

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Kyle Hamilton allows us to do that because he can play LB also.  Jes truly a unicorn.  He's been voted tue best deep safety, the best box safety,  the best blitzing safety.  He truly can do it all.

Agree hes a great player and I enjoy watching him a lot.  I think im still picking on LB2 or S3, either running against dime or targeting LB2 in coverage.  Hamilton is great in the box but thats getting pretty small if both him and humphrey have to play the run.  Question in that scenario is can the DL win their match ups to stymie the run.  I think yall have good odds at doing that but will be interesting part of the chess match. 

 

I also truely wonder what personnel get put out if Bills go 23 personnel (Cook, Gilliam, Kincaid, Knox, Hawes).  They could easily have pass tag with any run if they they see goal line personnel.  Gilliam (our FB) gets less targets than Ricard but they did have something schemed up for him in the preseason.  Alec Andersson (6th OL) played 20% (gilliam 18%) of the snaps in the playoffs last year so I do think going big is a strategy we have in mind.  

[boyst]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Not being sure about Hurts at this point is kind of strange

he benefits from a great team, he's a nice dude, but i also have seen him make mistakes that frustrate me when i want him to pass and not run. to be the qb not the rb.

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

NJ and Cincinnati were the only places I’ve been close to getting into a fight. Hamlin incident ending the game is the only reason we didn’t. The people of Cincinnati were just terrible the entire day. Tried to start fights everywhere we went, the mall, restaurants, parking garage, in traffic on the highway. In the stadium before the game, while Hamlin was down, and leaving the game. The comments from their fans about laying Hamlin out were disgusting.
 

You are expect some trash talk at away stadiums and a few that take it too far but everyone took it too far. My friend from Cincinnati was shocked at how hostile the people were. 

jacksonville was the only close call i had. the dude was 6'2ish, 220, built. i was still in shape at this time but had probably 20 lbs of muscle on him and the same height. it would have been a good fight but there were cops nearby and some old laddy broke it up.

[FranchiseSavior]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Warren Moon is an all-time quarterback 

 

And he never went to a super bowl my friend .. Dan Marino is better than Patrick mahomes and he went to one super bowl

 

John elway didn't win one till he was on his last leg 

 

As someone who's been around this game for 30 plus years as a player coach and scout I can unequivocally say it takes luck as well as coaching and talent to win an even go to a super bowl 

 

The Buffalo Bills lost by three in Arrowhead last year without our two best secondary players.. and the worst spots I've ever seen in NFL officiating crew make... The NFL was sick about  everybody saying how the Chiefs always get the flags and The crucial moment... So they held their flags and just moved the ball back 2-3 ft from the spot three or four times during the game in big moments

 

High School refs aren't even that inept

 

Josh Allen converted a clear quarterback sneak that they moved back half a yard and gave the Chiefs the ball back in their home field and we still lost by a field goal without our two best defensive backs 

 

When we played the Chiefs years ago without their two best defensive backs they made Gabe Davis look like Jerry Rice

Warren Moon isn't an all time playoff QB like y I 7 have anoited Josh.  Dan Marino went to a SB and Josh hasn't.   Dan Marino is mentioned as the greatest QB to have never won a SB.  

 

John Elway one 2 SBs which cemented his legacy.  

 

Many of your fans remind me that the Bills beat the Ravens in the playoffs and not one mentions that the Ravens played without wr1 and wr2 missed a good portion of the 2nd half. But we will feel sorry for you guys because you were "missing your 2 best secondary players"

 

Every fan base thinks the refs cheated them.  We were called for illegal formation 4 times in the season opener last season while the Chiefs tackles were allowed to line up in the back field. Nobody Cares Wprk Harder. 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Warren Moon isn't an all time playoff QB like y I 7 have anoited Josh.  Dan Marino went to a SB and Josh hasn't.   Dan Marino is mentioned as the greatest QB to have never won a SB.  

 

John Elway one 2 SBs which cemented his legacy.  

 

Many of your fans remind me that the Bills beat the Ravens in the playoffs and not one mentions that the Ravens played without wr1 and wr2 missed a good portion of the 2nd half. But we will feel sorry for you guys because you were "missing your 2 best secondary players"

 

Every fan base thinks the refs cheated them.  We were called for illegal formation 4 times in the season opener last season while the Chiefs tackles were allowed to line up in the back field. Nobody Cares Wprk Harder. 

2 minutes ago...

14 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

This will be my last post.  Good luck Sunday.

14 hours ago.

3 hours ago, boyst said:

No it won't. You'll be back.

you're welcome, petunia.

[FranchiseSavior]

9 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

"Usually."

 

Since we're just going to set arbitrary rules, then I guess Joe Burrow is better than Lamar & Allen because at least he made it to a Super Bowl? 

 

The problem is these guys all play in the same conference. Brock Purdy & Jimmy G made it to a Super Bowl, yet I wouldn't call them great players. If Allen or Lamar were in the NFC, they'd have made the SB by now. 

 

So what other metrics can you use other than "they both haven't made a SB?"

There is an argument to be made that Burrow is the best in the business.  I dint agree with it but he is definitely one of the best out there. All time QBs over comes whoever is in front of them.  

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Again- you fail to understand what the term choke means, as you ignore 90% of my post and cherry pick one part you can try and make an argument against (unsuccessfully)

 

The narrative that Lamar is a choke artist in the playoffs has become his narrative because he has earned it by playing poorly in season ending losses year after year. 

No one made you click on this thread-  by all means, feel free to skip over it.  

Is Josh still a turnover machine or has he overcome that label? 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Warren Moon isn't an all time playoff QB like y I 7 have anoited Josh (not sure what you're saying here. try harder).  Dan Marino went to a SB and Josh hasn't.   Dan Marino is mentioned as the greatest QB to have never won a SB.  

 

John Elway one won 2 SBs which cemented his legacy.  

 

Many of your fans remind me that the Bills beat the Ravens in the playoffs and not one mentions that the Ravens played without wr1 and wr2 missed a good portion of the 2nd half. But we will feel sorry for you guys because you were "missing your 2 best secondary players"

 

Every fan base thinks the refs cheated them.  We were called for illegal formation 4 times in the season opener last season while the Chiefs tackles were allowed to line up in the back field. Nobody Cares Wprk work Harder. 

i know you're rushing to type this during your school lunch period but we need better quality than this, rosie.

[Southern McButterpants]

1 hour ago, paulmm3 said:

I've been to a lot of Bills away games and the most openly hostile fans I've come across are those in Baltimore.

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Eagle fans on line 1....

Ironically, two of my best Game Day experiences have happened in these away stadiums. Now Cleveland....

[boyst]

1 minute ago, FranchiseSavior said:

There is an argument to be made that Burrow is the best in the business.  I dint agree with it but he is definitely one of the best out there. All time QBs over comes whoever is in front of them.  

Is Josh still a turnover machine or has he overcome that label? 

something something something about the ravens being without their best WR's.... how is that the bills problem? if the bills lose sunday will you tell us...

"yeah, the ravens did win but you were missing two starting CB's, a kicker, and your primary WR?" or will you beg your mom for fifteen more minutes of screen time to bloviate that the ravens are bestest ever and lamar is the stud?

 

if they were in the nfc they'd have been battling the defenses of san fran, the rodgers, goff, stafford, hurts... the nfc is no push over, dafodil.

 

if you're asking the question of josh being a turnover machine than you clearly do not pay attention, especially in the playoffs. i guess because you stop watching them in the first week or two every year when your team gets put out.

[FranchiseSavior]

1 hour ago, paulmm3 said:

I've been to a lot of Bills away games and the most openly hostile fans I've come across are those in Baltimore.

My son and I was at the Buffalo/Ravens game last season at M&T Bank Stadium.  As we are walking into the stadium a group of drunk fans all with Bills jerseys on started cursing at my son and began yelling "Let's Go Buffalo" in his direction.  I just smiled and said wait until the games over and see how they are.  After a thorough butt whopping low and behold guess who we run into coming out of the Stadium.  My son looks smiles and said Let's Go Buffalo and they again began cursing out a 12 year old.  I don't thing those few fans represent all of Bills Mafia. There are a few of thise in every fan base.

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

Agree hes a great player and I enjoy watching him a lot.  I think im still picking on LB2 or S3, either running against dime or targeting LB2 in coverage.  Hamilton is great in the box but thats getting pretty small if both him and humphrey have to play the run.  Question in that scenario is can the DL win their match ups to stymie the run.  I think yall have good odds at doing that but will be interesting part of the chess match. 

 

I also truely wonder what personnel get put out if Bills go 23 personnel (Cook, Gilliam, Kincaid, Knox, Hawes).  They could easily have pass tag with any run if they they see goal line personnel.  Gilliam (our FB) gets less targets than Ricard but they did have something schemed up for him in the preseason.  Alec Andersson (6th OL) played 20% (gilliam 18%) of the snaps in the playoffs last year so I do think going big is a strategy we have in mind.  

Of they go heavy the Ravens aren't going to stay with 3 safetys they'll definitely match up. However I think Starks is going to be a big part of this game.  He'll be moved around also.  Will be a fun matchup for sure.

14 minutes ago, boyst said:

2 minutes ago...

14 hours ago.

you're welcome, petunia.

That was in that thread. 

[FranchiseSavior]

9 minutes ago, boyst said:

something something something about the ravens being without their best WR's.... how is that the bills problem? if the bills lose sunday will you tell us...

"yeah, the ravens did win but you were missing two starting CB's, a kicker, and your primary WR?" or will you beg your mom for fifteen more minutes of screen time to bloviate that the ravens are bestest ever and lamar is the stud?

 

if they were in the nfc they'd have been battling the defenses of san fran, the rodgers, goff, stafford, hurts... the nfc is no push over, dafodil.

 

if you're asking the question of josh being a turnover machine than you clearly do not pay attention, especially in the playoffs. i guess because you stop watching them in the first week or two every year when your team gets put out.

If you took the time to read you'd know I was replying to the guy who was saying that the Bills Lost to the Chiefs in Arrowheas without their 2 best Secondary players.  You're correct just like it wasn't the Bills problem and not an excuse from the Ravens that they were missing wr1. it's not the Chiefs problem and shouldn't be an excuse that the Bills were missing their top 2 secondary players. 

[TheBrownBear]

On 9/3/2025 at 6:57 PM, Virgil said:

I live down here in Baltimore and none of them are worried about the game against the Bills.  They all expect to win.  Some fans called in to say they are making t-shirts to go to the game that say "City of Losers" and has reference to the 4 SB losses.

 

I don't know if it's the Josh MVP or what, but they act like that ex-gf who says they don't care anymore, but can't stop talking about us.  

It's twofold.

 

The Josh/Lamar thing is a big part of it - feeling like Lamar gets disrespected vis a vis Josh (despite winning two MVPs, huh?).

 

And there's the issue of having lost the two playoff games vs the Bills when they felt they had the better team and have largely dominated us during the regular season of late outside of the 2nd half of the game in Balt in 2022.  Kind of how we've handled KC during the regular season, but can't get by them in January.

Edited September 5 by TheBrownBear

[YattaOkasan]

8 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

My son and I was at the Buffalo/Ravens game last season at M&T Bank Stadium.  As we are walking into the stadium a group of drunk fans all with Bills jerseys on started cursing at my son and began yelling "Let's Go Buffalo" in his direction.  I just smiled and said wait until the games over and see how they are.  After a thorough butt whopping low and behold guess who we run into coming out of the Stadium.  My son looks smiles and said Let's Go Buffalo and they again began cursing out a 12 year old.  I don't thing those few fans represent all of Bills Mafia. There are a few of thise in every fan base.

Of they go heavy the Ravens aren't going to stay with 3 safetys they'll definitely match up. However I think Starks is going to be a big part of this game.  He'll be moved around also.  Will be a fun matchup for sure.

That was in that thread. 

agree would be shocked if they stay 3 safeties if we go 23.  sorry didnt really separate my thoughts there well.  i do think buffalo will go big and agree itll be fun to see that chess match cause the playoffs suggest buffalo will do it.  

[FranchiseSavior]

1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said:

agree would be shocked if they stay 3 safeties if we go 23.  sorry didnt really separate my thoughts there well.  i do think buffalo will go big and agree itll be fun to see that chess match cause the playoffs suggest buffalo will do it.  

I think we will be fine.  Travis Jones will be a load inside.  He started great last season had a really bad ankle sprain that lingered all season. He's in a contract year and he's fully healthy so he should be an absolute load.  The run defense is a bit of an unknown as they're a questions of how we replace the recently retired Michael Pierce and how well Trenton Simpson respond this season.  We signed John Jenkins but we don't know what he'll be and Simpson was bad with his run fits last season causing him to be benched late in the season. 

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

My son and I was at the Buffalo/Ravens game last season at M&T Bank Stadium.  As we are walking into the stadium a group of drunk fans all with Bills jerseys on started cursing at my son and began yelling "Let's Go Buffalo" in his direction.  I just smiled and said wait until the games over and see how they are.  After a thorough butt whopping low and behold guess who we run into coming out of the Stadium.  My son looks smiles and said Let's Go Buffalo and they again began cursing out a 12 year old.  I don't thing those few fans represent all of Bills Mafia. There are a few of thise in every fan base.

Of they go heavy the Ravens aren't going to stay with 3 safetys they'll definitely match up. However I think Starks is going to be a big part of this game.  He'll be moved around also.  Will be a fun matchup for sure.

That was in that thread. 

so the "have a good sunday" was only for those people?

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

 

Is Josh still a turnover machine or has he overcome that label? 

Trending in that direction but who knows for sure.  It’s a fluid situation.  
 

Here’s where the “choking” comes into play.  This seems to be your biggest hang up with how the 2 are perceived.  
In 6 season ending losses Josh has a total of 2 ints and 1 FL.  1 int and the 1 FL coming in his first playoff game when he was still an unknown as a QB.  In his last 5 season ending losses (since he’s become an elite QB), Josh has 1 int- 0 FL.  He hasn’t choked.  He hasn’t given any games away.  Lamar has done just that in every season ending loss.  He continues to give the opponents the ball on the biggest stages.  

 

thoughts?

[RochesterLifer]

1 hour ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Is Josh still a turnover machine or has he overcome that label? 

If you're looking for a label to hang on Josh, I suggest MVP.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

something something something about the ravens being without their best WR's.... how is that the bills problem? if the bills lose sunday will you tell us...

"yeah, the ravens did win but you were missing two starting CB's, a kicker, and your primary WR?" or will you beg your mom for fifteen more minutes of screen time to bloviate that the ravens are bestest ever and lamar is the stud?

 

if they were in the nfc they'd have been battling the defenses of san fran, the rodgers, goff, stafford, hurts... the nfc is no push over, dafodil.

 

if you're asking the question of josh being a turnover machine than you clearly do not pay attention, especially in the playoffs. i guess because you stop watching them in the first week or two every year when your team gets put out.

 

Last year buffalo played the first ravens game without Bernard, Rapp, Milano, and Taron Johnson.  It seemed to make a difference in the playoff game.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

There is an argument to be made that Burrow is the best in the business.  I dint agree with it but he is definitely one of the best out there. All time QBs over comes whoever is in front of them.  

 

My issue with Burrow is sacks.  Sacks tend to lead to more turnovers and injuries than any other hit, and they're drive killers.  It also gets left off all the end of season QB stats comparisons they do - not factored into completion percentage, yards, anything really.  Lamar (24) and Josh (14) combined for fewer sacks than burrow (48) in 2024.  He's not like Rob Johnson bad, but it's a challenge to ignore.  

[FranchiseSavior]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

so the "have a good sunday" was only for those people?

I didn't hear a have a good Sunday.

[Logic]

Fact, not opinion:

Josh Allen has been a better playoff quarterback than Lamar Jackson throughout their careers.

Every reasonable analytical measurement and statistic proves this. 

If the question is "which quarterback, on average, is better during the regular season?", you could very reasonably make the case that its Lamar Jackson.

If the question is "which quarterback, on average, is better during the playoffs?", there is no reasonable argument for Lamar. None.