What's the first position the Bills draft in 2026?

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The stars on that D were Wagner, Sherman and the safeties. Their front 7 aside from that was decent but the stars were the MLB and the DBs.

Of course Sherman and kam and Bobby were the stars 

 

Bennett would be better than any edge rusher we've had in the last 7 years lol Chris Clemens was coming off of 3, 10 plus sack seasons, and Bruce Irvin was a speed rushing nightmare.. not to mention mebane and red are huge run stuffers 

 

They might not have been stars but they destroyed teams all year.. they did  wreck games .. that front seven was far from decent it was electric for a few years

 

Sure the stars were the safeties and earl and Bobby.. but the guys I named were glue

Edited Tuesday at 09:35 PM by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Of course Sherman and kam and Bobby were the stars 

 

Bennett would be better than any edge rusher we've had in the last 7 years lol Chris Clemens was coming off of 3, 10 plus sack seasons, and Bruce Irvin was a speed rushing nightmare.. not to mention mebane and red are huge run stuffers 

 

They might not have been stars but they destroyed teams all year.. they did  wreck games 

 

Sure the stars were the safeties and earl and Bobby.. but the guys I named were glue

 

I think the Bills have some glue guys. Its bona fide, difference making, stars they lack.

[Doc Brown]

37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

no. what's disingenuous is when people try to equate trading a first round pick for a player and drafting a player w a first round pick. cap issues aside (not insignificant), the diggs trade is a perfect example of what im talking about- using your most valuable draft asset in a given year on a good-not-great up and coming wideout instead of taking a chance on drafting a rookie...it's the safe play instead of taking a swing. those two strategies aren't equivalent 

No.  The Bills spent draft capital (a 1st and 4th round pick) to address the WR position.  Whether or not you agree with the strategy is irrelevant.

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

O line and front seven ... That builds any competent NFL team... U want to rebuild a team that is where you start 

 

The colts  don't have a great front seven.. the browns have a good one, but  they have plenty of other ineptitude holding them back.. dude they gave hundreds of millions of dollars to a  guy who flashes masseuses... 

 

Besides getting a bonafide star QB which is also luck..  building your defensive front seven is the quickest way to stay in NFL games and having a offensive line that keeps your quarterback upright

 

And the Seahawks had Bobby Wagner KJ wright and Bruce Irvin at LBr 

 

Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril on the defensive line.. Chris Clemons , red Bryant , Brandon mebane 

 

That is a very good front seven especially back in 2013.. they had very good sack production and guys like red Bryant were run stuffing machines .. Bruce Irvin coming off the edge as an outside linebacker with Bobby Wagner and KJ wright 

 

That is far from even just average, that's SB quality

 

red bryant and brandon mebane 😂😂

agree to disagree

 

chiefs are piling up trophies w some good some not so good lines. not a lot of super bowls between the ravens and steelers lately

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the Bills have some glue guys. Its bona fide, difference making, stars they lack.

I think star is an objective word... Some people are stars for one year like Victor Cruz

 

Other people are stars for a decade 

 

Matt Milano at one point would have been considered a star.. who would have thought baun would be a star for the eagles? Nobody had that on there bingo card 

 

You can only deal with what you work with.. and I think Sean McDermott does a lot with what he has to work with... Bill belichick didn't have star players all over his defense half the time 

 

It was a lot of glue guys who understood their role... I think our defensive line and front seven and secondary is going to be really good this year

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:45 PM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  The Bills spent draft capital (a 1st and 4th round pick) to address the WR position.  Whether or not you agree with the strategy is irrelevant.

then stop trying to conflate the two

 

'spending draft capital'≠drafting a player

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

red bryant and brandon mebane 😂😂

agree to disagree

 

chiefs are piling up trophies w some good some not so good lines. not a lot of super bowls between the ravens and steelers lately

Dude red and Mebane were crazy run stuffing machines lol

 

Go back and watch 2013 games.. the Seattle Seahawks defensive line and front seven was destroying units all year 

 

Bennett would be better than any edge rusher we've had.. Bruce Irvin was a crazy fast outside speed rusher .. Chris Clements was coming off of 3 10 straight sack seasons Bobby Wagner and KJ were tremendous 

 

Like that front seven was destroying people.. it wasn't average 

 

Probably the best in the NFL in 2013

Edited Tuesday at 09:41 PM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Dude red and Mebane were crazy run stuffing machines lol

 

Go back and watch 2013 games.. the Seattle Seahawks defensive line and front seven was destroying units all year 

 

Bennett would be better than any edge rusher we've had.. Bruce Irvin was a crazy fast outside speed rusher .. Bobby Wagner and KJ were tremendous 

 

Like that front seven was destroying people

ok

if you think what was special about those seahawks teams was the front7 that's your perogative

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

ok

if you think what was special about those seahawks teams was the front7 that's your perogative

No I never said that they were the stars 

 

I already said that kam and earl and Richard Sherman and Bobby were the stars 

 

That doesn't mean they didn't have 10 other really good football players on that defense lol like that's Seattle defense had 15 good players not even 11 

 

That's my point it was a world-class defense top down.. from The trenches through the secondary there was zero weakness 

 

It was not a weak front seven with a great secondary it was tremendous everywhere

Edited Tuesday at 09:43 PM by Buffalo716

[SoCal Deek]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We shouldn’t have 3 RBs, 2 TEs and only 1 WR picked in the first 3 rounds. We shouldnt have 7 DL in that same period!! That’s not good roster building. 4 or 5 DL and MAYBE 1 RB & 1 TE, sure. The reason that the Bills roster consistently lacks top end talent is because they don’t draft well early. They had 1 guy outside of Josh on the NFL 100 last year (Dawkins at like 96). So far, it has just been Cook at 89 (they are up to number 57). So MAYBE Dawkins or, less likely, Benford makes the list? Another year of the Bills having Josh Allen, and one (or 2) other guy(s) in the top 100 players in the NFL. You get those guys in the top 100 picks. 

With all due respect, I think you’re looking at this in a one metric vacuum. They have WR/TEs under contract. Beane obviously believes he’s building a receiving corps. All of guys I’ve listed were drafted AFTER Josh became the starter. Do other teams have more talent?…obviously! But it seems like the nit picking here is simply over drafting a guy this past spring. Beane chose to go get Palmer instead. I guess we’re all gonna find out together. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

No I never said that they were the stars 

 

I already said that kam and earl and Richard Sherman and Bobby were the stars 

 

That doesn't mean they didn't have 10 other really good football players on that defense lol like that's Seattle defense had 15 good players not even 11 

 

That's my point it was a world-class defense top down.. from The trenches through the secondary there was zero weakness 

 

It was not a weak front seven with a great secondary it was tremendous everywhere

i was disagreeing w your contention that great corners cant make defensive lines look better

 

revis did it for like a decade. it's so much easier to play defense when you can eliminate one half of the field

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think star is an objective word... Some people are stars for one year like Victor Cruz

 

Other people are stars for a decade 

 

Matt Milano at one point would have been considered a star.. who would have thought baun would be a star for the eagles? Nobody had that on there bingo card 

 

You can only deal with what you work with.. and I think Sean McDermott does a lot with what he has to work with... Bill belichick didn't have star players all over his defense half the time 

 

It was a lot of blue guys who understood their role... I think our defensive line and front seven and secondary is going to be really good this year

 

Oh that is a different point. I think last year excluded (when a combination of weakest collection of defensive talent since 2018 and rookie DC combined to lead to struggles) the Bills have generally been more than the sum of their parts on defense. 

 

But that is the point here. All those picks spent on D and Beane has found a lot of good and not much great. If he had drafted a Bobby Wagner and an Earl Thomas we likely are not having this conversation and the Bills likely have been to at least one Superbowl.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i was disagreeing w your contention that great corners cant make defensive lines look better

 

revis did it for like a decade. it's so much easier to play defense when you can eliminate one half of the field

Even revis couldn't run with good NFL receivers for 6-7-8 seconds all the time.. he clamps people down in 3-4 second plays

 

That's why QB escape ability like Josh's is so favorable... Because corners can't run that long with wrs when plays breakdown

 

There's 40 years of tape showing that the longer the play goes the harder it is for cornerbacks to cover.. it's not easy to cover for six or seven seconds even if your darrelle revis ... It's not easy to cover a wide receiver who has that much time 

 

That's too much time for a professional athlete on the other side to get open

 

 sure darrelle revis is a stud and put the clamps on people... If a quarterback has 8 seconds to throw wide receivers are going to get open

 

And if your number two corner and your safeties and linebackers aren't good at covering, you could just attack everybody not named darrelle revis

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:03 PM by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

But it seems like the nit picking here is simply over drafting a guy this past spring. 

 

That is where you are wrong and is where Beane was wrong in his reaction to WGR. It is NOT for most of us a one year deal. It is an under investment in the position in the draft going back years. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is where you are wrong and is where Beane was wrong in his reaction to WGR. It is NOT for most of us a one year deal. It is an under investment in the position in the draft going back years. 

Ha! Hell must’ve frozen over. I cannot recall ONE SINGLE TIME where I’ve been accused of backing the Beane regime. Not once. 😉 
 

(So this might just be our year after all. I don’t think stranger things have ever happened.)

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Even revis couldn't run with good NFL receivers for 5-6 seconds all the time

 

That's why QB escape ability like Josh's is so favorable... Because corners can't run that long with wrs when play breakdown's 

 

There's 40 years of tape showing that the longer the play goes the harder it is for cornerbacks to cover.. I also played corner at a high level and I know that it's easy to cover for 3 seconds.. it's not easy to cover for six or seven even if your darrelle revis 

 

That's too much time for a professional athlete on the other side to get open

it's also hard for oline guys to hold blocks that long

 

which is probably why a guy like chris clemons could go from a nobody to averaging double digit sacks when he had that secondary behind him...i mean i can't remember any seattle dlineman going on to do anything of note post legion of boom

[Kirby Jackson]

29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With all due respect, I think you’re looking at this in a one metric vacuum. They have WR/TEs under contract. Beane obviously believes he’s building a receiving corps. All of guys I’ve listed were drafted AFTER Josh became the starter. Do other teams have more talent?…obviously! But it seems like the nit picking here is simply over drafting a guy this past spring. Beane chose to go get Palmer instead. I guess we’re all gonna find out together. 

Quite the opposite. The cost of a WR is significantly higher than the cost of a WR or RB. When you draft guys, they’re slotted for 4 years (with a 5th year option for 1st rounders). Cost control is important. I’ll give a real example. The Bills will have the option to add a 5th year for Dalton Kincaid that will probably make him one of the top paid TEs in football. The Seahawks can add a 5th year for JSN that will be nowhere near the top of the WR market. JSN signed a 4 year deal worth $14.4M. He went to the Pro Bowl this year. The top of the WR market is now $40M+. 4 years of a Pro Bowl WR at $3.6M a year (plus an option year) is WAY more valuable than 4 years of a TE/RB at a similar cost. That’s the point that you’re not seeing as these get mixed together. You could draft a 1st round TE and sign the top WR in the NFL and it would be an AAV of $44M or something like that. You could sign the top TE in the NFL and draft a 1st round WR and it would be an AAV of $23M or something like that. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Quite the opposite. The cost of a WR is significantly higher than the cost of a WR or RB. When you draft guys, they’re slotted for 4 years (with a 5th year option for 1st rounders). Cost control is important. I’ll give a real example. The Bills will have the option to add a 5th year for Dalton Kincaid that will probably make him one of the top paid TEs in football. The Seahawks can add a 5th year for JSN that will be nowhere near the top of the WR market. JSN signed a 4 year deal worth $14.4M. He went to the Pro Bowl this year. The top of the WR market is now $40M+. 4 years of a Pro Bowl WR at $3.6M a year (plus an option year) is WAY more valuable than 4 years of a TE/RB at a similar cost. That’s the point that you’re not seeing as these get mixed together. You could draft a 1st round TE and sign the top WR in the NFL and it would be an AAV of $44M or something like that. You could sign the top TE in the NFL and draft a 1st round WR and it would be an AAV of $23M or something like that. 

I’ve not said a single thing about the relative size of their contracts or its impact on the salary cap. I think everyone knows that each position brings its own ‘sliding scale’. 

[Buffalo716]

56 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

it's also hard for oline guys to hold blocks that long

 

which is probably why a guy like chris clemons could go from a nobody to averaging double digit sacks when he had that secondary behind him...i mean i can't remember any seattle dlineman going on to do anything of note post legion of boom

I Get what you're saying and I respect your opinion

 

Not trying to say Seattle did not have an elite secondary... I'm trying to say that Seattle in fact had a complete elite defensive unit which made it so formidable 

 

They were top 3 in NFL in quick pressure rate.. meaning they were getting home without coverage sacks too.. led league in rushing TDs against..  the front seven was balling 

 

The bills semi recently have had one of the best three or four secondaries in the world.. we have posted two veteran safeties who were pro bowl all pros.. an all pro outside corner and one of the best slots in the game 

 

Yet in the biggest games of the year against the best quarterbacks, it didn't matter because we didn't get pressure up front... Our three all pros didn't do enough to mitigate the lack of pressure 

 

Elite quarterbacks still found guys 

 

With that Seattle team they were getting home... They had a nine man defensive rotation just like we do and they were all eating and playing ferocious .. Clinton McDonald had like six sacks seven tackles for loss an interception off the bench at DT, that's better than Oliver last year..  and he was off the bench like

 

That takes pressure off a secondary... I bet if we take 2013's Seattle front four.. and our great secondary of poyer hyde Tre White, taron... That we have a super bowl or two 

 

Their front four is better than our front four on game day ... I think our front 4 this year is going to take a step up and become formidable and I like our chances 

 

 obviously their legion of boom was once in a lifetime great.. but Pete Carroll like Sean McDermott understands fresh defensive line rotations going back to USC.. and he was playing 9 angry guys who were getting home under 3 seconds

 

With a Hall of Fame middle linebacker and KJ wright who was underrated in his own right 

 

I don't know many great defenses with a weak front 7 and that's why I said it's got to start there..  and then on offense even the best quarterback will be on his back without an offensive line

 

That's why I said those are the building blocks to at least being sustainable in the NFL and being in the games.. I didn't say it's going to win you 12 games a year I said it's  a building block to keep you in games 

 

I 100% understand what you're saying and the legion of boom was a tremendous unit that is probably once a lifetime

Edited Tuesday at 10:59 PM by Buffalo716

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve not said a single thing about the relative size of their contracts or its impact on the salary cap. I think everyone knows that each position brings its own ‘sliding scale’. 

But that’s the entire point on why asset allocation matters. We can’t just say, they used 6 picks on skill players in the 1st 3 rounds. 3 RBs, 2 TEs and 1 WR is NOT the mix that you want from a roster building perspective. You need to use prime draft assets on the most expensive positions BECAUSE of cost control. You can sign guys at S, RB, TE, LB and OG that can start and help inexpensively. As an example, Josh Palmer’s AAV would make him the 8th highest paid RB in football. As a WR, it’s 32. If you draft a WR in the top 3 rounds you don’t need to spend $10M AAV on a role player like Palmer. You can allocate the same $10M to a top 10 LG or something like that. You can make your roster better at the top.