Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Yeah the SB was the perfect storm. 
 

The Eagles front played the game of their lives and Mahomes/Reid got completely flustered. 
 

It’s not really dissimilar to the Bills performance vs the Bengals in the playoffs. Just one of those days where nothing goes right.

The Cincinnati game imo was more similar to a lower level of football.  Highschool or College that the team that brings more energy wins.  In pro football energy is never an impact unless it’s week 18 and vaction is set. With the blizzards and dealing with Hamlin, Buffalo simply ran out of emotional gas.  Cincy came in with their hair on fire.  They felt wronged by the Hamlin game results.  Buffalo didnt have the capacity to match.  I wouldnt state it as quitting or something coaches could have changed.  Just was all they had.   
 

Chiefs game was due to a poor oline.  The dline over haul by Buffalo was because they were not able to take advantage of it.  I think Buffalo offense would have created problems for the Eagles defense.  I think the Eagles offense would have been a complete miss match vs that Bills defense.  Would have been one of the highest scoring Superbowls ever imo.  

Edited Tuesday at 02:11 PM by Mat68

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah the SB was the perfect storm. 
 

The Eagles front played the game of their lives and Mahomes/Reid got completely flustered. 
 

It’s not really dissimilar to the Bills performance vs the Bengals in the playoffs. Just one of those days where nothing goes right.

Eh it wasn't that similar

 

Mahomes threw them out of the game. Hurts wasn't exactly lighting it up in the first half

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

21 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Joe Burrow ain’t chopped liver. You’re just a whiner. 

I'm merely putting forth an opinion that's different from yours, there's no whining bud.

[Mikie2times]

On 7/8/2025 at 1:26 AM, BillytheKid said:

Your argument that if they don’t “do this play” or they “don’t do that play” is a horrible argument. 
 

Every team can say that about every single game. Every QB has games, especially the good ones where they pull crap out of their butts half of the game for their team to win. 
 

I could go back and watch the Denver game and that Pittsburgh game and do the same exact thing for those two teams vs Buffalo and say well if Denver doesn’t do this and Pittsburgh doesn’t do that then they would have been down by even more points than they were and they shouldn’t have even scored. 
 

That’s a ridiculous argument. The fact is Buffalo did make those plays just like plays are made in every game. Buffalos offense was good now matter how much you want to disagree with it or not. 
 

Your argument is horrible. 

Actually, the difference is, what is repeatable vs what is not repeatable. The Ty Johnson play vs Denver was not repeatable. It was not part of our offense. It was Allen doing Allen things as Allen does most the year. This offense is a mirage. It's Allen off script creating for a large part of the production which losses consistency at random times as it's not a consistent way to generate offense. You need to actually understand the game a little to make such an observation.  

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Actually, the difference is, what is repeatable vs what is not repeatable. The Ty Johnson play vs Denver was not repeatable. It was not part of our offense. It was Allen doing Allen things as Allen does most the year. This offense is a mirage. It's Allen off script creating for a large part of the production which losses consistency at random times as it's not a consistent way to generate offense. You need to actually understand the game a little to make such an observation.  

I saw another post about the running game limiting Allens mistakes.  That and this is 100% right.  Allen can do this once or twice a game and it is what makes him unstoppable.  Those plays dont sustain offense.  Look at the years Manning, Brees, Big Ben and other Qbs on offensive led teams had poor run games and defenses. They would have years at the top of the league in ints.  Its not rocket science.  They have to do more.  They have to fit that window, they take the 50/50.  2/10, 3/10 plus its what you have to do.  2nd 6 and under, 3-5 and under is a different sport.  I go back to Sean Payton talking about his best seasons with Brees.  When as a play caller he was able to limited the times Drew had to drop back and be great.  For Allen the fewer amount of times he needs a cap the better.  Hand off, screens, sight quick passes.  Vs this coverage this guy is open here.  Those are what makes a good OC.  That is what Brady is doing.  Not a surprise he is from Paytons tree.  The opposite is what Dorsey did and what Daboll did at the end.  Allen is so good it is easy to put it all on him.  But really you need to work harder to take more off of him.  So when he is great it elevates the offense instead of sustains it. 

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

I saw another post about the running game limiting Allens mistakes.  That and this is 100% right.  Allen can do this once or twice a game and it is what makes him unstoppable.  Those plays dont sustain offense.  Look at the years Manning, Brees, Big Ben and other Qbs on offensive led teams had poor run games and defenses. They would have years at the top of the league in ints.  Its not rocket science.  They have to do more.  They have to fit that window, they take the 50/50.  2/10, 3/10 plus its what you have to do.  2nd 6 and under, 3-5 and under is a different sport.  I go back to Sean Payton talking about his best seasons with Brees.  When as a play caller he was able to limited the times Drew had to drop back and be great.  For Allen the fewer amount of times he needs a cap the better.  Hand off, screens, sight quick passes.  Vs this coverage this guy is open here.  Those are what makes a good OC.  That is what Brady is doing.  Not a surprise he is from Paytons tree.  The opposite is what Dorsey did and what Daboll did at the end.  Allen is so good it is easy to put it all on him.  But really you need to work harder to take more off of him.  So when he is great it elevates the offense instead of sustains it. 

100% and double 100% to the rest of it. It was a complete 180 with Brady vs Dorsey. Dorsey was dependent on downfield/low % throws from Allen, Allen's rushing, Air Yards, and limited running game. We had almost no way to be methodical. It magnified Allen risk taking. With Brady nearly the entire offense is designed for on schedule plays. Screens, high run%, check downs, all YAC. Then we mix in Allen's big play ability and his legs. That's who we are and it's a great recipe, but teams can certainly create problems for us at times (as they can for everybody). Assumptions that we will always be prolific like this thread seem to call out are just off base. 

 

If you jump on us early, we abandon the run game. If teams have the ability to play press effectively and play close to the line of scrimmage, our screen game isn't as effective and we struggle beating teams over the top. If you keep Allen in the pocket so much of his running game and improvisation is neutralized. We do not have any consistency in our on schedule medium/intermediate passing game. Baltimore did a very good job in both games exposing this. We saw it at times in the playoffs with lesser competition and execution.

 

The Eagles are built to execute what I'm calling out. I think with the Super Bowl jitters Allen would start slow. They would jump on our shaky defense then condense the field on our offense. Our screens wouldn't be as effective. The run game wouldn't be as effective. This is exactly when our talent level at WR does matter. It would snowball fast and look a lot like Baltimore's first game, which will likely look a lot like our first game this year (IMO). That is, unless our defense can keep it close. That can at least help us stay away from pure Allen ball. 

 

 

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[Mat68]

17 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

100% and double 100% to the rest of it. It was a complete 180 with Brady vs Dorsey. Dorsey was dependent on downfield/low % throws from Allen, Allen's rushing, Air Yards, and limited running game. We had almost no way to be methodical. It magnified Allen risk taking. With Brady nearly the entire offense is designed for on schedule plays. Screens, high run%, check downs, all YAC. Then we mix in Allen's big play ability and his legs. That's who we are and it's a great recipe, but teams can certainly create problems for us at times (as they can for everybody). Assumptions that we will always be prolific like this thread seem to call out are just off base. 

 

If you jump on us early, we abandon the run game. If teams have the ability to play press effectively and play close to the line of scrimmage, our screen game isn't as effective and we struggle beating teams over the top. If you keep Allen in the pocket so much of his running game and improvisation is neutralized. We do not have any consistency in our on schedule medium/intermediate passing game. Baltimore did a very good job in both games exposing this. We saw it at times in the playoffs with lesser competition and execution.

 

The Eagles are built to execute what I'm calling out. I think with the Super Bowl jitters Allen would start slow. They would jump on our shaky defense then condense the field on our offense. Our screens wouldn't be as effective. The run game wouldn't be as effective. This is exactly when our talent level at WR does matter. It would snowball fast and look a lot like Baltimore's first game, which will likely look a lot like our first game this year (IMO). That is, unless our defense can keep it close. That can at least help us stay away from pure Allen ball. 

 

 

All that I said is well and good,  Superbowl Sunday im handing Allen the ball and going through him.  Maybe pull out some plays where he is a decoy early.  Come out passing to set up the run game later.  Get them going left and right with naked action and motion going away from Allen.  Im 100% confident Allen carries the Bills to a Super Bowl like Farve and Rodgers.  That Rodgers Super Bowl win he just was on fire and the Steelers knew the plays jumped the routes and it didnt matter.  Allen will do that when he gets his shot. 

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

All that I said is well and good,  Superbowl Sunday im handing Allen the ball and going through him.  Maybe pull out some plays where he is a decoy early.  Come out passing to set up the run game later.  Get them going left and right with naked action and motion going away from Allen.  Im 100% confident Allen carries the Bills to a Super Bowl like Farve and Rodgers.  That Rodgers Super Bowl win he just was on fire and the Steelers knew the plays jumped the routes and it didnt matter.  Allen will do that when he gets his shot. 

I hope. Run him early. Let him get hit a few times. 

[GunnerBill]

On 7/9/2025 at 1:46 PM, Mikie2times said:

Actually, the difference is, what is repeatable vs what is not repeatable. The Ty Johnson play vs Denver was not repeatable. It was not part of our offense. It was Allen doing Allen things as Allen does most the year. This offense is a mirage. It's Allen off script creating for a large part of the production which losses consistency at random times as it's not a consistent way to generate offense. You need to actually understand the game a little to make such an observation.  

 

I don't think this offense is a mirage and I don't think it relies on Allen's cape for for moving the offense efficiently. What it DOES rely on Allen's cape (and to a lesser extent Cook's vision) for is explosive plays. Most of our explosives last year were either Cook finding a crease other backs miss or Allen making a play in scramble drill scenarios in the pass game.

 

I think about 85% of this offense is very repeatable. It's just the 15% that aren't are the explosives that make up more than 15% of the production. And I don't know that the additions the Bills have made this offseason will be enough to drastically alter that. 

 

Every top offense needs both. You need to repeatable meat and potatoes plays for your offense to function at a high level. But you need the cheat button plays as well that allow you to score from anywhere. And the only two players on the present Bills O I think that about are Josh and Jimbo.  And it is why despite being anti paying running backs I am not moving off Cook without first seeing the pass catchers step up and help Josh make those explosive plays.