BillsFanNC Posted July 2 Posted July 2 48 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Thank you for taking the time to share how much you don’t care over these last three posts. Your complete indifference is obvious. Carry on, Angry Man. 4th&schlong is apolitical. Steadfastly refuses to carry the water for either party! 😂 2
Homelander Posted July 2 Posted July 2 3 hours ago, GaryPinC said: It's long been time to end the ridiculous charade of appeasing Iran and pretending them to be honored negotiations. Kudos to this administration for being direct, consistent, and true to their word. Let Iran consider that in future dealings and the fact that none of their proxies and allies crawled out of their rat holes to help them. That says it all You’re praising this administration for being ‘true to their word’? That's nice. Trump campaigned as the “peace candidate” and promised to end wars on day one. Instead, he tore up the Iran nuclear deal during his first term - then never replaced it. And you seriously think Iran was going to negotiate a new deal with the same guy who shredded the last one just to look tough for his racist base? That agreement was the only functioning, verifiable deal keeping Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check - and they were complying with it. Tearing it up wasn’t strategy, it was ego-driven politics. Now the "no new wars" chuds are cheering on strikes that have escalated tensions and risked a wider regional war? Let’s be honest: this was never about peace or strength. It was about optics. What you’re calling ‘consistency’ is just chaos wrapped in a flag and sold as patriotism. And if you’re still buying it, congrats - you’re just another sucker who got played by a guy who never meant a word he said.
sherpa Posted July 2 Posted July 2 35 minutes ago, Homelander said: You’re praising this administration for being ‘true to their word’? That's nice. Trump campaigned as the “peace candidate” and promised to end wars on day one. Instead, he tore up the Iran nuclear deal during his first term - then never replaced it. And you seriously think Iran was going to negotiate a new deal with the same guy who shredded the last one just to look tough for his racist base? That agreement was the only functioning, verifiable deal keeping Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check And if you’re still buying it, congrats - you’re just another sucker who got played by a guy who never meant a word he said. Pure nonsense. The Iranian nuclear weapons program was never going to stop, and they have never abided by any agreement about it. Ever. The Israelis knew that and committed massive assets to prevent it. 2
Westside Posted July 2 Posted July 2 51 minutes ago, Homelander said: You’re praising this administration for being ‘true to their word’? That's nice. Trump campaigned as the “peace candidate” and promised to end wars on day one. Instead, he tore up the Iran nuclear deal during his first term - then never replaced it. And you seriously think Iran was going to negotiate a new deal with the same guy who shredded the last one just to look tough for his racist base? That agreement was the only functioning, verifiable deal keeping Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check - and they were complying with it. Tearing it up wasn’t strategy, it was ego-driven politics. Now the "no new wars" chuds are cheering on strikes that have escalated tensions and risked a wider regional war? Let’s be honest: this was never about peace or strength. It was about optics. What you’re calling ‘consistency’ is just chaos wrapped in a flag and sold as patriotism. And if you’re still buying it, congrats - you’re just another sucker who got played by a guy who never meant a word he said. And biden said he would cure cancer under his ( or who knows) administration. Another promise not kept.
Homelander Posted July 2 Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: Pure nonsense. The Iranian nuclear weapons program was never going to stop, and they have never abided by any agreement about it. Ever. The Israelis knew that and committed massive assets to prevent it. Actually, that’s just revisionist nonsense. The Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) was a real, verifiable agreement. Iran was complying with it confirmed repeatedly by the IAEA and US intelligence until Trump tore it up. That deal dramatically rolled back Iran’s enrichment, dismantled centrifuges, and gave inspectors unprecedented access. Was it perfect? No. But it was working. The second it was scrapped, Iran ramped enrichment back up and now they’re closer to a bomb than ever. So no, pretending they ‘never abided by any agreement’ doesn’t make your argument smarter it just makes it lazier. And let’s be real: if Israel believed diplomacy was impossible, they wouldn’t have begged the US to keep pressure on Trump to stay in the deal before he scrapped it. Facts are stubborn things. Top Israeli military officials say Trump’s Iran deal exit was a 'mistake,' bad for Israel Former Israeli PM: The Iran Deal Was Flawed. But Trump’s Decision Makes World ‘More Uncertain’ ‘The Iran Deal Was a Mistake. Withdrawing From It Was Even Worse’ An Israeli View on Trump’s JCPOA Withdrawal: “Hope Is Not a Strategy” The Iran Nuclear Deal Has Been a Blessing for Israel Top Israeli Security Experts Agree — Withdrawing from the JCPOA Nuclear Agreement Has Been a Total Failure Why Israeli Nuclear Experts Disagree with Netanyahu on the Iran Deal | The New Yorker 1
Westside Posted July 2 Posted July 2 6 minutes ago, Homelander said: Actually, that’s just revisionist nonsense. The Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) was a real, verifiable agreement. Iran was complying with it confirmed repeatedly by the IAEA and US intelligence until Trump tore it up. That deal dramatically rolled back Iran’s enrichment, dismantled centrifuges, and gave inspectors unprecedented access. Was it perfect? No. But it was working. The second it was scrapped, Iran ramped enrichment back up and now they’re closer to a bomb than ever. So no, pretending they ‘never abided by any agreement’ doesn’t make your argument smarter it just makes it lazier. And let’s be real: if Israel believed diplomacy was impossible, they wouldn’t have begged the US to keep pressure on Trump to stay in the deal before he scrapped it. Facts are stubborn things. Top Israeli military officials say Trump’s Iran deal exit was a 'mistake,' bad for Israel Former Israeli PM: The Iran Deal Was Flawed. But Trump’s Decision Makes World ‘More Uncertain’ ‘The Iran Deal Was a Mistake. Withdrawing From It Was Even Worse’ An Israeli View on Trump’s JCPOA Withdrawal: “Hope Is Not a Strategy” The Iran Nuclear Deal Has Been a Blessing for Israel Top Israeli Security Experts Agree — Withdrawing from the JCPOA Nuclear Agreement Has Been a Total Failure Why Israeli Nuclear Experts Disagree with Netanyahu on the Iran Deal | The New Yorker You try so hard to defend that terrorist regime. Your hateful true colors are showing. 1
sherpa Posted July 2 Posted July 2 Iran was in a different place in early June 2025 than they were during this stupid agreement that was to end this year. They still threatened Israel from Lebanon, (Hezbollah), Syria, Yemen with the Houthis and Hamas. Prior to Syria falling, and the demise of Hamas and Hezbollah, a case could be made that it was in Israel's self interest to follow a strategy of delay. Once those issues ended and they accelerated, there was no reason to delay ending the program. The sole reason the Islamic religious regime exists is to pursue the goal of ending the Israeli state. Their nuclear and ballistic missile programs are solely designed for that, and to suggest other motives, ie., domestic energy production is idiotic. The time was now and the results are better than anyone imagined a month ago. If they resuscitate it, which they undoubtedly will, it will be much easier to deal with. 1 2
4th&long Posted July 2 Posted July 2 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Thank you for taking the time to share how much you don’t care over these last three posts. Your complete indifference is obvious. Carry on, Angry Man. Angry? You're my favorite Maga. I love Ya buddy.
GaryPinC Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 23 hours ago, Homelander said: You’re praising this administration for being ‘true to their word’? That's nice. Trump campaigned as the “peace candidate” and promised to end wars on day one. Instead, he tore up the Iran nuclear deal during his first term - then never replaced it. And you seriously think Iran was going to negotiate a new deal with the same guy who shredded the last one just to look tough for his racist base? That agreement was the only functioning, verifiable deal keeping Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check - and they were complying with it. Tearing it up wasn’t strategy, it was ego-driven politics. Now the "no new wars" chuds are cheering on strikes that have escalated tensions and risked a wider regional war? Let’s be honest: this was never about peace or strength. It was about optics. What you’re calling ‘consistency’ is just chaos wrapped in a flag and sold as patriotism. And if you’re still buying it, congrats - you’re just another sucker who got played by a guy who never meant a word he said. Every candidate of any political party makes promises they never keep, Mr. Naive. Iran has a long history of conducting nuclear weapons activities behind the scenes of whatever deal is in place. https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program "For years, however, Iran refused to answer the Agency’s increasingly detailed questions and insisted that the allegations were false. In 2011, the IAEA attempted to resolve all of its outstanding questions about Iran’s alleged efforts to pursue nuclear weaponization research, or the “possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program.” In November of that year, it published its findings based on information it had received from IAEA member states, information provided by Iran, and its own investigative efforts. The IAEA judged the allegations of work on nuclear weapons “to be, overall, credible” and “consistent in terms of technical content, individuals and organizations involved, and time frames.” "When the JCPOA was agreed in July 2015, Iran and the IAEA signed a “roadmap” agreement intended again to resolve all of the IAEA’s outstanding questions related to this investigation. In December 2015, the IAEA issued its “Final Assessment,” concluding that Iran had a coordinated nuclear weapon-related program until 2003, and that some weapon-related activities continued through 2009. The report disclosed that Iran did not provide meaningful additional information for most of the 12 outstanding issues in the IAEA’s investigation. To many of the Agency’s questions, Iran offered no new information, made denials without explanation, or gave explanations contradicted by other information. Nonetheless, the IAEA Board of Governors voted unanimously to close the Agency’s investigation." In short, IAEA swallowed its concerns (and Iran never addressed them) for the good of signing JCPOA. That doesn't mean Iran stopped its ambitions. Hid them, probably scaled them down but only the naive believe they stopped. "In 2018, Israeli agents conducted a raid inside Iran and seized a trove of tens of thousands of documents relating to Iran’s past nuclear weapon effort, the so-called “Atomic Archive.” The Atomic Archive revealed Iran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons in much greater detail than was previously known (the AMAD Project). It also revealed the existence of a several sites connected to Iran’s nuclear weapon development effort. In particular, Parchin was home to high explosive test chambers and an underground tunnel site whose purpose might have been the production of uranium metal components for nuclear weapons." This raid was in January 2018, Trump pulled us out of JCPOA in May 2018. I wonder why he did that? Now in 2025 Iran either has or is very close to having hypersonic missiles, safe bet says they're figuring out how to put their theoretical nuclear warhead on it. Where that progress is, probably only Mossad knows. Plenty of European leaders and our democratic leadership have been naive on Iran, so I understand that you are too. The stakes are too high to remain as such, thankfully Mossad has been planning for this a long time. When it comes to humanity and compassion, narcissist Trump is simply a human sh1t stain. But he's handled this situation correctly. Edited July 3 by GaryPinC 1
Homelander Posted July 3 Posted July 3 2 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Every candidate of any political party makes promises they never keep, Mr. Naive. Iran has a long history of conducting nuclear weapons activities behind the scenes of whatever deal is in place. https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program "For years, however, Iran refused to answer the Agency’s increasingly detailed questions and insisted that the allegations were false. In 2011, the IAEA attempted to resolve all of its outstanding questions about Iran’s alleged efforts to pursue nuclear weaponization research, or the “possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program.” In November of that year, it published its findings based on information it had received from IAEA member states, information provided by Iran, and its own investigative efforts. The IAEA judged the allegations of work on nuclear weapons “to be, overall, credible” and “consistent in terms of technical content, individuals and organizations involved, and time frames.” "When the JCPOA was agreed in July 2015, Iran and the IAEA signed a “roadmap” agreement intended again to resolve all of the IAEA’s outstanding questions related to this investigation. In December 2015, the IAEA issued its “Final Assessment,” concluding that Iran had a coordinated nuclear weapon-related program until 2003, and that some weapon-related activities continued through 2009. The report disclosed that Iran did not provide meaningful additional information for most of the 12 outstanding issues in the IAEA’s investigation. To many of the Agency’s questions, Iran offered no new information, made denials without explanation, or gave explanations contradicted by other information. Nonetheless, the IAEA Board of Governors voted unanimously to close the Agency’s investigation." In short, IAEA swallowed its concerns (and Iran never addressed them) for the good of signing JCPOA. That doesn't mean Iran stopped its ambitions. Hid them, probably scaled them down but only the naive believe they stopped. "In 2018, Israeli agents conducted a raid inside Iran and seized a trove of tens of thousands of documents relating to Iran’s past nuclear weapon effort, the so-called “Atomic Archive.” The Atomic Archive revealed Iran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons in much greater detail than was previously known (the AMAD Project). It also revealed the existence of a several sites connected to Iran’s nuclear weapon development effort. In particular, Parchin was home to high explosive test chambers and an underground tunnel site whose purpose might have been the production of uranium metal components for nuclear weapons." This raid was in January 2018, Trump pulled us out of JCPOA in May 2018. I wonder why he did that? Now in 2025 Iran either has or is very close to having hypersonic missiles, safe bet says they're figuring out how to put their theoretical nuclear warhead on it. Where that progress is, probably only Mossad knows. Plenty of European leaders and our democratic leadership have been naive on Iran, so I understand that you are too. The stakes are too high to remain as such, thankfully Mossad has been planning for this a long time. When it comes to humanity and compassion, narcissist Trump is simply a human sh1t stain. But he's handled this situation correctly. You're right that Iran has a history of nuclear deception - that’s exactly why the JCPOA was created: to impose strict limits and inspections. The deal wasn’t based on trust but on verifiable containment, and the IAEA confirmed Iran’s compliance until Trump unilaterally withdrew in 2018, with no alternative in place. That move freed Iran from restrictions, accelerated enrichment, and gave us less visibility, not more. The Israeli raid in 2018 confirmed past weapons work but didn’t prove active violations of the deal. Abandoning diplomacy gave Iran space to advance - smart policy means constraining adversaries, not cutting loose the only tools we have to monitor them.
Homelander Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM On 6/26/2025 at 8:21 PM, stevestojan said: I don’t know how anyone can deny - now, a few days later with good/clearer intel - that: 1) This was a resoundingly successful mission based on its goal and the resulting outcome. 2) the “leak” was weak far left nonsensical reporting at best, criminal conduct at worst. 3) We can still disagree on whether the action and mission itself was still in the best interest of America. But, its seeming more and more to me (a far left whacko or a MAGA in disguise, depending on who you ask on this bored) that it was at least not as dangerous a move as I thought initially. So I’ll stand corrected there, for now, unless Iran does something insanely stupid. And I don’t think they want to be wiped off the face of the planet over “pride.” But again, what the ***** do I know? 4) Pete liquid lunch Hegseth still isn’t the best we could do for this very important government position, but at least this time, he seemed to do something right. That’s where I’m at right now.
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