K D Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: "Lifesite" a conservative US Catholic site had this to say before the conclave The big picture: Prevost has cooperated in advancing Francis’ agenda, facilitated the appointment of heterodox bishops throughout the world, and tacitly denied the traditional teaching on the episcopate. Flashpoint: He oversaw the deposition of the most conservative U.S. bishop (Strickland) and the appointment of a notorious liberal to one of the most prominent diocesan see(McElroy). Takeaway: Prevost has remained silent in the face of the great doctrinal questions of our day, and facilitated the longest-lasting legacy of Francis’ reign. Look up Strickland and McElroy. He's clearly progressive on some topics. Yep this guy is woke. Is that good? Whatever brings people to the Church. There's nothing wrong with wanting to help migrants. He should push the leaders to help them as best as they can. Here's how: 1. LEGAL migration 2. Deport all migrant CRIMINALS 3. Go after the gangs and cartels 4. Secure the border to end smuggling of humans and drugs 1
B-Man Posted 10 hours ago Author Posted 10 hours ago (edited) I was at the local antique mall when I heard the great news. (I made a private bet to myself how the usual suspects here would respond, I was not disappointed.) Prayer for Pope Leo XIV Faithful God, You guide us on the path of life and your goodness is our constant companion. Be with our new Shepherd, Pope Leo XIV, in his service of the Church. Fill him with the power of your Spirit, the peace of your presence and the compassion of Christ. May he walk with you, in wisdom and humility, and lead us, together with all God’s people, to embody your love for the world. Amen. As to the political nonsense with this, he was a follower of Francis's center-left school of thought. However, (No matter how many critical quotes that you can pull up) this has to be viewed as favorable to President Trump. Having the very first American as Pope during his administration can only help him. . Edited 10 hours ago by B-Man 1 1
K D Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: God gave people free will. I'm not sure why anyone would believe a bunch of human priests with an agenda would be "the will of God." How arrogant. Humans are flawed. We can only hope they did their best and chose who they thought was the right person for the job not because of any politics or agenda but because he was truly the best and the holiest among them. I don't have high hopes but we'll see. The Vatican has routinely been one of the most corrupt establishments in the history of the world. Humans messed it up because we are a bunch of sinners. Whoever they say is in charge is not in charge of me. I go through Jesus Christ. John 11:25. I'd like to see the verse that says we need to go through a human pope if we want to be closer to God. This person now has a lot of power so we can only hope he uses it for Good and helps bring more people to Christ. At the end of the day that's what it should all be about. 1 2
Roundybout Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 6 minutes ago, K D said: God gave people free will. I'm not sure why anyone would believe a bunch of human priests with an agenda would be "the will of God." How arrogant. Humans are flawed. We can only hope they did their best and chose who they thought was the right person for the job not because of any politics or agenda but because he was truly the best and the holiest among them. I don't have high hopes but we'll see. The Vatican has routinely been one of the most corrupt establishments in the history of the world. Humans messed it up because we are a bunch of sinners. Whoever they say is in charge is not in charge of me. I go through Jesus Christ. John 11:25. I'd like to see the verse that says we need to go through a human pope if we want to be closer to God. This person now has a lot of power so we can only hope he uses it for Good and helps bring more people to Christ. At the end of the day that's what it should all be about. I get what you’re saying, but this isn’t pure free will. The decision was guided by the Holy Spirit through the conclave. Christ instituted the Church to carry out his teachings and evangelize the world. It’s a creation of the Holy Spirit, in fact it’s the first creation of the Holy Spirit (see the Apostles’ Creed). It’s eternal. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I get what you’re saying, but this isn’t pure free will. The decision was guided by the Holy Spirit through the conclave. Christ instituted the Church to carry out his teachings and evangelize the world. It’s a creation of the Holy Spirit, in fact it’s the first creation of the Holy Spirit (see the Apostles’ Creed). It’s eternal. And the Holy Spirit guided the cardinals to choose someone much more like Pope Francis than Cardinal Dolan. I think we'd see a much different response from the MAGAs here had he been chosen.
K D Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I get what you’re saying, but this isn’t pure free will. The decision was guided by the Holy Spirit through the conclave. Christ instituted the Church to carry out his teachings and evangelize the world. It’s a creation of the Holy Spirit, in fact it’s the first creation of the Holy Spirit (see the Apostles’ Creed). It’s eternal. If that were true we wouldn't have the list of atrocities from the Vatican throughout history. At some point the Vatican became something else political and not the Church. I'm not a historian to know exactly when but that's how I feel. I believe in the apostle's creed and recite it every night. I just don't maintain that a powerful human run organization is in lock step with the will of God the Father. If Satan is among us that is the first place he would attack (there is a bunch of closed churches around me that say that's true). Not everyone there is on the side of Good so hopefully we got one of the good guys!
B-Man Posted 10 hours ago Author Posted 10 hours ago Prevost was not amongst the names being bandied about on social media in the days leading up to and during the conclave; one site did foresee an American being selected, however, and prepared a detailed bio on Prevost: Born in Chicago in 1955, Prevost holds degrees from Villanova University in Pennsylvania, Catholic Theological Union in Chicago and the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome. In 1985, Prevost joined the Augustinian mission in Peru in 1985, becoming part of the religious order inspired by St. Augustine that seeks to find a balance of "love and learning." Augustinian friars lead semi-monastic lives and are engaged in a range of pursuits, such as education or prison work. At age 30, Prevost went to work in Peru, serving there until 1999, with a brief stint back in Chicago in 1987 to work as pastor for vocations and director of missions for its Augustinian province. During his early years in Peru, Prevost wore a number of hats, including teaching in the diocesan seminary, serving as judge in a church court and leading a parish on the outskirts of the city of Trujillo. In 1999, Prevost was elected the head of the Augustinians' Chicago-based province. And then in 2001, he tapped as prior general of the worldwide order, which he led until 2013. During that time, he was based in Rome but spent most of his time on the road and in the air, visiting the nearly 50 countries where the Augustinian order is present. In 2014, Francis sent him back into the mission field, naming him bishop of Chiclayo, in northern Peru, where he served until the pope called him to Rome again for full-time service in the Roman Curia in 2023. https://redstate.com/terichristoph/2025/05/08/breaking-habemus-papam-the-catholic-church-has-a-new-pope-n2188838
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/us-news/new-pope-leo-xiv-spent-years-retweeting-criticism-of-trump-policies/ His final X post before being elected by the Conclave in the Sistine Chapel was a retweet of a message from Philadelphia-based Catholic commentator Rocco Palmo, who on April 14 slammed Trump’s partnership with El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele on deportation of illegal migrants. Edited 9 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
K D Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/us-news/new-pope-leo-xiv-spent-years-retweeting-criticism-of-trump-policies/ And did he do the same for Obama (same sex marriage and abortion) and Biden (lgbtq and abortion)? Sounds like he has TDS
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, K D said: And did he do the same for Obama (same sex marriage and abortion) and Biden (lgbtq and abortion)? Sounds like he has TDS TDS doesn't exist. It's a construct of loser MAGAs. Despising trump is not a syndrome. It's rational. I doubt the new pope despises him. He might well despise some or most of his policies. He seems to be against nontraditional families and certainly against abortion (as was Francis). That doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks all countries must have laws against abortion or that Catholic politicians who are against such laws should be excommunicated or censored (Francis did not).
thenorthremembers Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: One of the rare occasions I disagree with Matt Walsh. The Catholic Church has way more in common with the pharisees who sent Jesus to die than they do Jesus himself. If you believe in the Holy trinity, and you've read enough of the Bible, how could you ever believe the Pope was ordained by God? This is an institution that hid or failed to report nearly a century of sexual abuse. In 2002, the Boston Globe printed a statistic that nearly 60% of priests had at least one complaint of abuse levied against them. Beyond the abuse scandals, the absolute luxury of the Vatican, and the ornate dress of its leaders is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Pope Francis' estimated net worth at the time of his death was $16 million dollars. This is not to say every member of the Church is corrupt or there are not Godly people associated with it, it is just to say the Vatican itself is a political establishment wrapped in religious aesthetics. 1 1 1
K D Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: TDS doesn't exist. It's a construct of loser MAGAs. Despising trump is not a syndrome. It's rational. I doubt the new pope despises him. He might well despise some or most of his policies. He seems to be against nontraditional families and certainly against abortion (as was Francis). That doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks all countries must have laws against abortion or that Catholic politicians who are against such laws should be excommunicated or censored (Francis did not). So did he denounce abortion and gender affirming surgery for kids and same sex marriage? Simple question. If not then he is biased
thenorthremembers Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 27 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: And the Holy Spirit guided the cardinals to choose someone much more like Pope Francis than Cardinal Dolan. I think we'd see a much different response from the MAGAs here had he been chosen. So you're saying politics did play a role in the selection? Not for nothing if God is going to ordain people based on political beliefs I doubt he would start with the party who believes in abortion. Edited 9 hours ago by thenorthremembers
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, K D said: So did he denounce abortion and gender affirming surgery for kids and same sex marriage? Simple question. If not then he is biased no idea. do a search. everyone is biased. he seems biased towards what most would call liberal social justice issues.
Big Blitz Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: That doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks all countries must have laws against abortion or that Catholic politicians who are against such laws should be excommunicated or censored (Francis did not). What? The Church hardly ever involves itself in legislation of any country. Its distanced itself from who to say should or shouldn’t receive communion (simple rule sin on your soul you can’t receive it). Its job is….your soul. You want to vote for and support abortion - good luck explaining that at the end. That is clear dogma - when life begins. Welcoming the foreigner - immigration - is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. Edited 9 hours ago by Big Blitz
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: So you're saying politics did play a role in the selection? Not for nothing if God is going to ordain people based on political beliefs I doubt he would start with the party who believes in abortion. No, I'm saying that this man was made Pope through the actions of the Holy Spirit. Exactly why is unknown. But he's definitely on the more liberal side of the Catholic church.
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