Insane stat--if true

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

but we were talking about the Eagles' 2024 defense...

The point is they went to Superbowl lost and then rebuilt there D 2yrs later it doesn't take forever to rebuild a defense in the NFL. McD defense has been getting torched in the playoffs losses for yrs now. 

[boco357]

I posted this in another thread, but they got off the field holding KC to a FG at the end of the AFCCG. And the D was garbage in the first half giving up 8 or 9 yards in the first half especially.   We all would have signed up for down 3 with 3 minutes to go and the ball.

[McMuffin]

Going hard on defense was what they needed to do.

 

They would have at least one Super Bowl already if they had a defense that could make critical stops.

 

I can’t wait to see this defense go to work because sitting on the edge of my seat hoping that the other team doesn’t convert on 3rd and 17 gets old.

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes we have.

 

Beane has reloaded the defense several times in McD's 10 year tenure.

 

So maybe its not the players and McD's scheme ?

 

When we say "Defense" we should be talking about the players and the scheme.  But McD gets a free pass and everyone thinks its just the players.

 

McD gets outcoached every year in the playoffs by Reid and I don't think getting new players will change anything this season.

 

Thats why many of us wanted to upgrade the #1 WR.

Because if we're stuck with McD, then lets see if we can outscore them at least.

I'm glad I wrote what I did the way I did. I figured some might catch on to what I was getting at and that I would be able to avoid the whole agreement that started on the radio. 

[billsfan714]

8 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I'll go on a fact checking mission.

 

1st loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

5 TDs

1 FG

1 Punt

2 end of half

 

2nd loss

Chiefs had 11 possessions

5 TDs

3 FGs

1 missed FG

2 Punts

 

3rd loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

3 TDs

2 FGs

1 Punt

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

4th loss

Chiefs had 10 possessions

4 TDs

1 FG

2 Punts

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

By my count that's only 8 stops by the Bills DEF and not 9 showing in the screenshot. Maybe they are counting the missed FG in game 2 as a defensive stop, or the muffed punt that we recovered in the 1st game. Those are both ST plays so I don't think they should count as DEF stops. I'm not counting any 'end of half' possession as a stop since those were all kneel-downs. 

 

In the SB on the Chiefs first 9 drives they had 6 punts, 2 INTs, and a failed 4th down. 

So it is true, and it really is an insane stat.

[Buffalo716]

14 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Personally, I think it's an indictment of Sean.   I was all in going hard on defense in the draft.    Have we had massive injuries all 4 times?  D is supposed to be his wheelhouse, I haven't seen when it counts most.  The superbowl also showed it can be done, don't want to hear about excuses.

Yes we have been historically riddled with injuries by January in his entire coaching career in Buffalo 

 

He literally takes undrafted free agents and turns them into solid players who get second contract from other teams 

 

The Buffalo Bills have not given him enough to work with...

 

There's not one defensive coach in the NFL who takes 4th 5th 6th 7th round picks Plus on drafted guys and develops them better 

 

Beane has to give him better talent in the top two rounds so he can maximize it.. we take guys like boogie bash'em who we give away for peanuts

 

Sean McDermott statistically in his first 17 years as a defensive coordinator / head coach.. is in territory with elite names with his top 10 statistical categories

 

You need as much luck as you need skill to win a super bowl.. as evidence by Norwood's wide right and bass going wide right at home versus the Chiefs with 2 minutes left 

 

You need luck too

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Sierra Foothills]

15 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

I saw this on reddit, if its true it truly is insane.

 

8 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

I'll go on a fact checking mission.

 

1st loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

5 TDs

1 FG

1 Punt

2 end of half

 

2nd loss

Chiefs had 11 possessions

5 TDs

3 FGs

1 missed FG

2 Punts

 

3rd loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

3 TDs

2 FGs

1 Punt

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

4th loss

Chiefs had 10 possessions

4 TDs

1 FG

2 Punts

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

By my count that's only 8 stops by the Bills DEF and not 9 showing in the screenshot. Maybe they are counting the missed FG in game 2 as a defensive stop, or the muffed punt that we recovered in the 1st game. Those are both ST plays so I don't think they should count as DEF stops. I'm not counting any 'end of half' possession as a stop since those were all kneel-downs. 

 

In the SB on the Chiefs first 9 drives they had 6 punts, 2 INTs, and a failed 4th down. 

 

"In NFL football, a defensive stop occurs when the defense prevents the offense from gaining a first down or scoring on a drive. It's a crucial metric for evaluating defensive performance, indicating how effectively a team is limiting the opposing offense's progress."

 

[26TrapDraw]

15 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

I think thats exactly what the stat is saying, Josh is better but lacks a championship D.

Plain and simple.

[Redblood]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

"In NFL football, a defensive stop occurs when the defense prevents the offense from gaining a first down or scoring on a drive. It's a crucial metric for evaluating defensive performance, indicating how effectively a team is limiting the opposing offense's progress."

 

That pretty much sums it up

[finn]

On 5/2/2025 at 7:44 AM, juno999 said:

The Eagles did to Mahomes what the Bucs did.  They both put tremendous pass rush pressure on Mahomes by rushing only 4 guys.  Hopefully the offseason moves by Beane will pay off.

A pass rush that had time to get home because both teams had a strong secondary. Bruce Smith himself isn't getting many sacks with the free safety playing back in the end zone on every passing down like Hamlin did last year. There's a lot of pressure on one guy--Bishop--this season. If he doesn't have it, the Bills don't have many options to replace him: a rookie, a marginal free agent, and, you guessed it, Hamlin. Yes, he made some plays on occasion last year, but my point is that if he's on the field, the upgrades to the DL won't have nearly as much impact as we hope. And no pass rush = another close game against KC the Bills lose because McDermott. 

[tonawandarock]

21 hours ago, zow2 said:

It often seems like when one team tries to copy someone else.. in this case the Bills trying to duplicate what the Eagles did to Mahomes, it fails.

 

In large part because Mahomes/Reid will come up with new schemes to offset what the Eagles did.  And we don't have the same personnel no matter how it looks on paper.

 

 

dont forget the bengals have had success slowing down the chiefs(and bills) in the playoffs. 

and the bills D has only truly stopped mac jones and bo nix in the playoffs...

 

talent AND coaching is an issue when the playoffs roll around. having a top ranked reg. szn D means nothing!!!

20 hours ago, ngbills said:

Its the players not McD...

its def BOTH! 

[tonawandarock]

a qb that gets pressured early is gonna have trouble waiting for routes to develop. give me a stout DL(and some blitzes) over good coverage any day! 

[tonawandarock]

24 minutes ago, finn said:

A pass rush that had time to get home because both teams had a strong secondary. Bruce Smith himself isn't getting many sacks with the free safety playing back in the end zone on every passing down like Hamlin did last year. There's a lot of pressure on one guy--Bishop--this season. If he doesn't have it, the Bills don't have many options to replace him: a rookie, a marginal free agent, and, you guessed it, Hamlin. Yes, he made some plays on occasion last year, but my point is that if he's on the field, the upgrades to the DL won't have nearly as much impact as we hope. And no pass rush = another close game against KC the Bills lose because McDermott. 

you're not giving Smith enuf credit. he was in the backfield b4 the QB! 

[Puckman5]

On 5/2/2025 at 8:16 AM, mannc said:

There’s no need to “indict” the Bills’ defense.  It’s already been found guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of playoff incompetence.

My cousin Vinny said it best.  “In Sean’s defense, we just brawt in chree utes to shore up the defensive line”.  

Edited 1 hour ago by Puckman5

[tonawandarock]

19 hours ago, mannc said:

It is my (admittedly speculative) theory that there is something about the McDermott scheme that leads to our defensive players sustaining far more than the average number of injuries.  I'm not exactly sure what the cause is--perhaps its the reliance on undersized front seven (or front six) players--but it's undeniable that our defense gets ravaged with injuries every year, usually just as the playoffs are getting underway.    

me thinks size has A LOT to do with it. the DL is too light to gather blockers which means our undersized back 7 is getting steamrolled!

[tonawandarock]

17 hours ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

Since 2019 the Bills have played 9 playoff games that were not against KC, allowing only 19.2 points per game and having a record of 7-2. Since 2019 the Bills have played 4 playoff games against KC allowing a whopping 35 Points per game and an 0-4 record. The problem with the Defense is against only 1 team. It's significant, over a 15.8 point game swing. It makes me wonder if KC doesn't have someone in the Bills locker room.

philip rivers had success against the bills D in 2020 playoffs. colts probably shouldve won that game. the only qb's the bills truly shut down are mac jones and bo nix.

 

but i also believe Reid/Chiefs are paying a portion of McD's salary to keep him in buffalo...

[tonawandarock]

20 hours ago, Einstein said:

It's coaching. And that's not a knock on our coaching. Both staffs are good - there's is just better.

Example: The defensive blitz that Spags called on 4th down was absolutely masterful. Listening to Fitz and Allen and others say that he set the Bills offense up ALL GAME and ALL YEAR for just that *one call* is incredible. He had been showing that same look, over and over and over and over again, for months. But never end blitzed out of it. Because he knew that he would switch it up at the exact moment he needed to.

Contrast that to Joe Brady ... who went back to the well and called the same 4th down concept he has run all year (and KC was prepared for).

Brady really looked inept in that game. i cant imagine any top OC calling that same (failed)play over and over. the sad part is if the bills gain 5 more yards in that game they probably win by 2 scores lol

[finn]

31 minutes ago, tonawandarock said:

you're not giving Smith enuf credit. he was in the backfield b4 the QB! 

You might be right. Plus, the QB knew he was coming, at least usually. Remember his blindside hit on Boomer Esiason? 

[jaybills]

On 5/2/2025 at 6:30 AM, billsfan714 said:

I saw this on reddit, if its true it truly is insane.

Yuck

[Not at the table Karlos]

23 hours ago, K D said:

It's too bad we don't have a defensive coach who worked for Andy Reid and knows his tendencies so he could stop him

I think it’s more Reid knows McDermotts tendencies and knows how to exploit them.