wnyguy Posted Monday at 01:52 PM Posted Monday at 01:52 PM 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Certainly. The NOAA budget was cut. The area did not have a proper alert system in place. Now you see why slashing government funding is bad. What would be the proper alert system? More than a 3 hour emergency warning? From what I'm seeing the warnings were placed in what would seem to be an appropriate amount of time. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Monday at 01:52 PM Posted Monday at 01:52 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steve O said: My brother and SIL live in Asheville. He's a centrist democrat, his wife makes AOC look like a conservative. Both of them admit more was done to clean up Asheville in the week following Trump's visit than in the 3 months following the Biden/Harris visit. I've been in or through Asheville several times since Helene. The rebuilding has been consistently slow under both. The devastation is severe and will take many years to repair. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/22/trump-fema-north-carolina-hurricane-helene-00352614 The allegations spurred anger toward Biden, but FEMA’s statistics show no significant uptick in aid since Trump’s inauguration. As of April 22, the agency had given nearly $432 million of assistance to 158,600 households in North Carolina, $100 million of which came under Trump, FEMA said in a statement. FEMA also obligated nearly $459 million in public assistance to repair infrastructure in North Carolina, including $138 million under Trump. Meanwhile, Trump’s FEMA has halted $10 billion in disaster relief funds intended to help people across the country, cut off housing assistance for thousands of Helene survivors and ended a policy of fully reimbursing the state of North Carolina for debris removal. Now, in further evidence of how political attacks can create a reality of their own, Trump officials are using FEMA’s struggles in western North Carolina as a rationale to dismantle the agency. “I think we’re going to recommend that FEMA go away,” Trump said during a January visit to Asheville to survey the damage shortly after taking office. Edited Monday at 01:57 PM by Joe Ferguson forever
BillsFanNC Posted Monday at 01:57 PM Posted Monday at 01:57 PM 3 minutes ago, wnyguy said: What would be the proper alert system? More than a 3 hour emergency warning? From what I'm seeing the warnings were placed in what would seem to be an appropriate amount of time. Simple. Despite nothing changing.... If Biden / Harris POTUS = proper. Orange menace POTUS = improper.
Bill51390 Posted Monday at 02:18 PM Posted Monday at 02:18 PM The fact that anyone is making this about politics is disguising. Also Cuts to the NWS have nothing to do with this, there was warnings. And even prior to the cuts, how many times have the NWS inaccurately predicted storms, happens multiple times a year. This happening in the overnight/early morning hours played a huge part as well. The only thing that would have really helped is if the county had sirens to give an audible warning. 1
JDHillFan Posted Monday at 02:19 PM Posted Monday at 02:19 PM 29 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Certainly. The NOAA budget was cut. The area did not have a proper alert system in place. Now you see why slashing government funding is bad. A generality. Sad. Please tell me more about a proper alert system not being in place and the relation to budget reductions.
Roundybout Posted Monday at 03:23 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:23 PM 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: What would be the proper alert system? More than a 3 hour emergency warning? From what I'm seeing the warnings were placed in what would seem to be an appropriate amount of time. They had no sirens, first of all, and second of all it’s being reported that the forecast didn’t account for the amount of rain they got. 1 hour ago, Bill51390 said: The fact that anyone is making this about politics is disguising. Also Cuts to the NWS have nothing to do with this, there was warnings. And even prior to the cuts, how many times have the NWS inaccurately predicted storms, happens multiple times a year. This happening in the overnight/early morning hours played a huge part as well. The only thing that would have really helped is if the county had sirens to give an audible warning. Then fund the NWS more.
Big Blitz Posted Monday at 03:29 PM Posted Monday at 03:29 PM 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: They had no sirens, first of all, and second of all it’s being reported that the forecast didn’t account for the amount of rain they got. That’s on the locality. Not the Fed. How did funding cuts that don’t take effect until October impact this situation? For decades they’ve gotten the weather wrong everywhere all the time. Getting exact rainfall totals wrong? Omg man. 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Then fund the NWS more. Does this apply to police - or will people die if we defund them?
Roundybout Posted Monday at 03:34 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:34 PM 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: That’s on the locality. Not the Fed. How did funding cuts that don’t take effect until October impact this situation? For decades they’ve gotten the weather wrong everywhere all the time. Getting exact rainfall totals wrong? Omg man. Does this apply to police - or will people die if we defund them? Sounds like you support boosting funding and financing more scientific research for better forecasting! The NWS offices have been understaffed for years now. Cutting funding is not the answer.
Big Blitz Posted Monday at 03:43 PM Posted Monday at 03:43 PM 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Sounds like you support boosting funding and financing more scientific research for better forecasting! The NWS offices have been understaffed for years now. Cutting funding is not the answer. No. AI. Many of these jobs will be outdated shortly and can be done with Ai.
The Frankish Reich Posted Monday at 03:45 PM Posted Monday at 03:45 PM 100 year flood? 1,000 year flood? Try 40 year flood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_River_(Texas) The river is prone to flash floods due to a combination of topography, geology, and climate. The greater area, Texas Hill Country, is known as flash flood alley 1978: 33 dead 1987: 10 dead (school bus swept away) I posted something very similar about Malibu/Pacific Palisades fires last year. They happen all the time. This happens with a little less frequency, but it happens.
JDHillFan Posted Monday at 03:46 PM Posted Monday at 03:46 PM Just now, The Frankish Reich said: 100 year flood? 1,000 year flood? Try 40 year flood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_River_(Texas) The river is prone to flash floods due to a combination of topography, geology, and climate. The greater area, Texas Hill Country, is known as flash flood alley 1978: 33 dead 1987: 10 dead (school bus swept away) I posted something very similar about Malibu/Pacific Palisades fires last year. They happen all the time. This happens with a little less frequency, but it happens. Everyone but Roundy understands this.
Roundybout Posted Monday at 03:47 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:47 PM 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: No. AI. Many of these jobs will be outdated shortly and can be done with Ai. Who controls the AI? What firm? Why do you want human beings’ jobs replaced? Just now, JDHillFan said: Everyone but Roundy understands this. Sure man
The Frankish Reich Posted Monday at 03:49 PM Posted Monday at 03:49 PM Just now, JDHillFan said: Everyone but Roundy understands this. I'm not even sure I'd say that it was unwise to build a summer camp there and to keep it running. The camp was apparently always full. It provided a lot of fun and happiness for a lot of families over the decades. There was obviously a risk; maybe some of the parents didn't really think about the risk, but it was there. I'm not sure we can live our lives expecting perfect protection from mother nature's threats. It is a tragedy. 3
JDHillFan Posted Monday at 03:52 PM Posted Monday at 03:52 PM 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm not even sure I'd say that it was unwise to build a summer camp there and to keep it running. The camp was apparently always full. It provided a lot of fun and happiness for a lot of families over the decades. There was obviously a risk; maybe some of the parents didn't really think about the risk, but it was there. I'm not sure we can live our lives expecting perfect protection from mother nature's threats. It is a tragedy. Perfectly stated. Thank you. 1
Big Blitz Posted Monday at 03:54 PM Posted Monday at 03:54 PM Just now, Roundybout said: Who controls the AI? What firm? Why do you want human beings’ jobs replaced? Pick one. I want efficiency with our tax dollars. If Ai can do these jobs saving us billions it should happen. And for the record, The people on duty in Texas did their jobs and weren’t understaffed. They are not to blame. Not one person in NOAA or anywhere is saying “we could have done this to be better in this situation if only Trump didn’t cut such and such…..” No one. The only people saying this is Team Auto Pen. The Team that killed 98 people during Hurricane Helene because a corpse was fake running the country and his FEMA was on record essentially saying screw this MAGA area.
Roundybout Posted Monday at 04:05 PM Author Posted Monday at 04:05 PM 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Pick one. I want efficiency with our tax dollars. If Ai can do these jobs saving us billions it should happen. And for the record, The people on duty in Texas did their jobs and weren’t understaffed. They are not to blame. Not one person in NOAA or anywhere is saying “we could have done this to be better in this situation if only Trump didn’t cut such and such…..” No one. The only people saying this is Team Auto Pen. The Team that killed 98 people during Hurricane Helene because a corpse was fake running the country and his FEMA was on record essentially saying screw this MAGA area. Biden delivered exactly as the protocol stated. Now Trump wants to end FEMA. Oops!
Big Blitz Posted Monday at 04:14 PM Posted Monday at 04:14 PM 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Biden delivered exactly as the protocol stated. Now Trump wants to end FEMA. Oops! Team Auto Pen didn’t want these people to vote 1 month later. They were in no hurry to assist with that. If it were Atlanta speed would have matched the 28 days it took them to build a multi billion dollar bridge in Gaza
Roundybout Posted Monday at 04:16 PM Author Posted Monday at 04:16 PM 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Team Auto Pen didn’t want these people to vote 1 month later. They were in no hurry to assist with that. If it were Atlanta speed would have matched the 28 days it took them to build a multi billion dollar bridge in Gaza Did these areas request additional funding?
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