Captain_Quint Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 First of its kind: https://wellsvillesun.com/blog/2024/02/28/angelica-portable-above-ground-gas-station-opens-first-in-the-nation/?fbclid=IwAR1-KAy3Gr6yvv8lWlGPzqEDgFD7dQU1CLRkpyYXmV_ZCgSg6o44RzvosQ0 Why do they bury the tanks anyway? Is it aestetics or safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Partly safety and it uses space underground allowing space to be reused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I cut my teeth in the mechanical trades at a gas station in the 1970s, and Hertel Avenue seemed to have no shortage of the gas and vehicle repair types. I think in 2000 a lot of them closed up, and I believe it was because of new stronger federal regulations regarding buried fuel storage tanks. Along with that, oil companies seemed disinterested in having a mechanical shop owner making money off vehicle repairs. The oil companies preferred the stations selling Slurpees, milk, and Kool filter kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Are there portable below ground gas stations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Wait....Aren't there above ground fuel tanks in South Korea? We just dug up our diesel/gasoline tanks at work and put them above ground a few years back. They hang the pumps too: 4 hours ago, Punching Bag said: Partly safety and it uses space underground allowing space to be reused. Also temperature sensitive. Why they have awnings over pumps. NOT just to keep you dry in rain. You really shouldn't buy gasoline during the day in hot summer sun, you are getting ripped off, less then you're paying for. The awnings help mitigate this temp, expansion issue. Remember the old glass fuel ⛽️ pumps. Pump in and fill the amount you can see. Edited March 2 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Yet debunked here: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm And modern vehicles have EVAP systems. Charcoal canisters to collect vapor. You still run risk of FUBARing thar system if you top off tank during heat of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 It's all fun and games until something blows up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2010467/chaos-horror-as-fuel-tanker-explodes-after-collision Thank God the bulk of this was underground: Edited March 2 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Fleezoid said: It's all fun and games until something blows up! It's all fun and games WHEN something blows up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Only in America can we put storage tanks affixed to the ground inside a building and call it "portable". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 15 hours ago, Doc said: Are there portable below ground gas stations? Yes, but it's a lot of work digging them up and schlepping them around. Everything is portable if you have enough bucks. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/3/2024 at 5:25 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Yes, but it's a lot of work digging them up and schlepping them around. Everything is portable if you have enough bucks. 😁 Seawaymax is 740x78. @ 1,000 feet long x 75' wide, the Laker Stewart J. Cort was built in Mississippi... 1972. How did it get into the Great Lakes?😉 Answer: "Stewart J. Cort was the first 1000-footer to be put into service on the lakes and also the only one built in the traditional wheelhouse-forward Great Lakes style (although all accommodations are forward, and the stern deckhouse is occupied by self unloading equipment and the engines). Stewart J. Cort started life in Mississippi as Hull 1173, consisting of only the bow and stern sections (and appropriately nicknamed "Stubby"). From there, she was sailed to Erie, Pennsylvania, where she was cut in half and an additional 800+ feet of hull were added." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Seawaymax is 740x78. @ 1,000 feet long x 75' wide, the Laker Stewart J. Cort was built in Mississippi... 1972. How did it get into the Great Lakes?😉 Answer: "Stewart J. Cort was the first 1000-footer to be put into service on the lakes and also the only one built in the traditional wheelhouse-forward Great Lakes style (although all accommodations are forward, and the stern deckhouse is occupied by self unloading equipment and the engines). Stewart J. Cort started life in Mississippi as Hull 1173, consisting of only the bow and stern sections (and appropriately nicknamed "Stubby"). From there, she was sailed to Erie, Pennsylvania, where she was cut in half and an additional 800+ feet of hull were added." 1. Quite aware of this. Do a little more searching next time. 🤨 2. Seaway Max were increased from the original 730' X 75' specifications to 740' X 78' dimensions when some design engineer realized that they had 80' of width available in locks. This has occasionally resulted in ships being operated in late season to be stuck in the ice in locks. You only have one foot available on each side of the beam. As some lakers received new forebodies in the 90s, these design engineers were trying to maximize cargo loads. Ask those who actually sailed late season what they think of it. Edited March 6 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: 1. Quite aware of this. Do a little more searching next time. 🤨 2. Seaway Max were increased from the original 730' X 75' specifications to 740' X 78' dimensions when some design engineer realized that they had 80' of width available in locks. This has occasionally resulted in ships being operated in late season to be stuck in the ice in locks. You only have one foot available on each side of the beam. As some lakers received new forebodies in the 90s, these design engineers were trying to maximize cargo loads. Ask those who actually sailed late season what they think of it. This why we have CRREL now, but established in 1961 AFTER things we built here. /wallbash https://www.erdc.usace.army.mil/Locations/CRREL/ Yeah. Our lock on Calumet is 1000' x 110' even know rest on Illinois is 600' x 110'. I frequently lock two 54' wide tankers breasted up as a multi-tow. One lockage. That's 108' in 110' of space, but would never do it in the winter, I would just turnback the lock and do two lockages 54' wide by whatever long. Can't exactly rip a ship on a table saw. LoL... Just gotta wait til April... But say up in The Soo (which is wider), I bet there's floating chunks of ice till late May/early June some seasons! That two feet free on the beam doesn't give much room for the floating ice! They designed our sector gates with no such room with the concrete wall for ice when gates are open. BUT, in their defense, the river was so hot and polluted it never froze years ago! Edited March 6 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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