AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: People decide policies. Why did Russian election interference in 2016 aim to make trump win? Why did putin invade under Biden? Since we're moving goal posts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Why did putin invade under Biden? Since we're moving goal posts. Gee. You’d have thought ole tuck would have asked that…my guess is they hoped trump would be reelected so they could walk in unchallenged. When it didn’t happen they invaded, not willing to wait for years now you go. Why did the Russians support trump in 2016? Edited February 14 by Joe Ferguson forever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 42 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Didn't trump send his Secretary of State Carlson to meet putin and begin the transition. Manafort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Gee. You’d have thought ole tuck would have asked that…my guess is they hoped trump would be reelected so they could walk in unchallenged. When it didn’t happen they invaded, not willing to wait for years now you go. Why did the Russians support trump in 2016? Walk in unchallenged? Stop holding on to something that isn't true. He showed aggression during Obama and Biden, but you're super sure Trump would have rolled right over? Riiggght. Of course it's tuckers fault. Have to blame someone. 12 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Gee. You’d have thought ole tuck would have asked that…my guess is they hoped trump would be reelected so they could walk in unchallenged. When it didn’t happen they invaded, not willing to wait for years now you go. Why did the Russians support trump in 2016? Maybe because like most of the world......Russia strongly disliked Hillary. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 14 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Walk in unchallenged? Stop holding on to something that isn't true. He showed aggression during Obama and Biden, but you're super sure Trump would have rolled right over? Riiggght. Of course it's tuckers fault. Have to blame someone. Maybe because like most of the world......Russia strongly disliked Hillary. you apparently never considered that the 2 events (election interference and Ukraine invasion) are connected...c'mon, you can't be that dumb. Most of Europe (at least the establishment in power) did not and do not want trump. They're well aware of his anti NATO stance. So why do you think trump invaded Ukraine under Biden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So we agree that Russia is actively attempting to undermine our elections with Trump as the point man in that Kremlin operation? Russia's been doing that for decades. Barry even knew about it prior to the election and did nothing. But they were proven to have spent $1M on Facebook ads for both candidates while Hilly spent over $1B. If $1M in Facebook ads could overcome over $1B... 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: This.. https://public.substack.com/p/cia-had-foreign-allies-spy-on-trump Gee, sounds like something Russia would do... 29 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Gee. You’d have thought ole tuck would have asked that…my guess is they hoped trump would be reelected so they could walk in unchallenged. When it didn’t happen they invaded, not willing to wait for years now you go. Why did the Russians support trump in 2016? Dumb guess. And totally devoid of thought or sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Doc said: Russia's been doing that for decades. Barry even knew about it prior to the election and did nothing. But now Putin has Trump. Very different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you apparently never considered that the 2 events (election interference and Ukraine invasion) are connected...c'mon, you can't be that dumb. Most of Europe (at least the establishment in power) did not and do not want trump. They're well aware of his anti NATO stance. So why do you think trump invaded Ukraine under Biden? What NATO stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But now Putin has Trump. Very different and NATO is being attacked by him. connect the dots MAGA morons. 2 minutes ago, wnyguy said: What NATO stance? anti NATO dummy. One example: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 You're giving me a link from 2019 that has already been explained to you nitwits. Why keep pushing a lie when you know it's a lie? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, wnyguy said: You're giving me a link from 2019 that has already been explained to you nitwits. Why keep pushing a lie when you know it's a lie? I don't get it. You are trying to convince us that Trump somehow actually is an American patriot or something? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wnyguy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Tiberius said: You are trying to convince us that Trump somehow actually is an American patriot or something? Seriously? I don't think I could convince you guys of anything. Your inability to see what's right in front of your face is proof of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, wnyguy said: I don't think I could convince you guys of anything. Your inability to see what's right in front of your face is proof of that. I would say they exact same thing about you. You can't say this is deterrence: "I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want." We know what Putin wants This guy is a Putin puppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, wnyguy said: You're giving me a link from 2019 that has already been explained to you nitwits. Why keep pushing a lie when you know it's a lie? I don't get it. trump was prez in 2019. what is a lie? be specific. do you have problems with this analysis from conservative Brookings from 2017? again, be specific. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-remains-a-nato-skeptic/ "This makes President Trump look weak and indecisive—weak because he is gutting America’s position of strength in Europe, and indecisive because his administration is at sixes and sevens on Article 5. Is he really in favor or opposed to it? No one knows for sure. And weakness and indecision can be provocative. The great risk is that Vladimir Putin will see an opportunity. In Trump, Putin has a president who is largely aligned with his worldview. But Putin’s problem is that Trump is constrained. He cannot deliver sanctions relief. He cannot deliver a new Yalta agreement to grant Russia a sphere of influence. He cannot even meet Putin for a one-on-one summit, such is the level of opposition in the United States. Trump acknowledged as much in a rambling press conference in February. He said: [T]he false, horrible, fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia. And probably Putin said “you know.” He’s sitting behind his desk and he’s saying “You know, I see what’s going on in the United States, I follow it closely. It’s going to be impossible for President Trump to ever get along with Russia because of all the pressure he’s got with this fake ..." Edited February 14 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you apparently never considered that the 2 events (election interference and Ukraine invasion) are connected...c'mon, you can't be that dumb. Most of Europe (at least the establishment in power) did not and do not want trump. They're well aware of his anti NATO stance. So why do you think trump invaded Ukraine under Biden? Trump invaded Ukraine? Bro? What? Who gives a ***** what europe wanted? Trump dislikes nato because as always the us puts up more than anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Trump dislikes nato because as always the us puts up more than anyone else. that's what he tells you rubes and you buy it...he dislikes NATO because Putin despises it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: trump was prez in 2019. what is a lie? be specific. do you have problems with this analysis from conservative Brookings from 2017? again, be specific. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-remains-a-nato-skeptic/ "This makes President Trump look weak and indecisive—weak because he is gutting America’s position of strength in Europe, and indecisive because his administration is at sixes and sevens on Article 5. Is he really in favor or opposed to it? No one knows for sure. And weakness and indecision can be provocative. The great risk is that Vladimir Putin will see an opportunity. In Trump, Putin has a president who is largely aligned with his worldview. But Putin’s problem is that Trump is constrained. He cannot deliver sanctions relief. He cannot deliver a new Yalta agreement to grant Russia a sphere of influence. He cannot even meet Putin for a one-on-one summit, such is the level of opposition in the United States. Trump acknowledged as much in a rambling press conference in February. He said: [T]he false, horrible, fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia. And probably Putin said “you know.” He’s sitting behind his desk and he’s saying “You know, I see what’s going on in the United States, I follow it closely. It’s going to be impossible for President Trump to ever get along with Russia because of all the pressure he’s got with this fake ..." Here is a more recent article that explains why Trump made the statement about NATO. Hint: It worked. https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-chief-says-18-countries-meet-2-military-spending-target-2024-02-14/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: that's what he tells you rubes and you buy it...he dislikes NATO because Putin despises it. Very convincing. He dislikes nato because to the us its a money pit. How can someone this old be this dense. Critical thinking is not your forte. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, wnyguy said: Here is a more recent article that explains why Trump made the statement about NATO. Hint: It worked. https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-chief-says-18-countries-meet-2-military-spending-target-2024-02-14/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nato/index.html hint: He wants out of NATO. He lies about funding constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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