Success Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I see so many comps to Rivers & the Chargers now. Great QB, good team - but can never get over the hump. Maybe I can't get past my own bias, but I see Allen as an all-time great. Rivers was never that. It's so hard for me to imagine that Allen won't get over the hump at some point and win at least 1 title. The comparisons I prefer are Peyton Manning, who was owned by the Patriots until he wasn't, and Michael Jordan, who lost to the Pistons 3 times in the playoffs before finally besting his nemesis and moving on to become a 6-title legend. And if you were around at those times, you'll remember that the narratives were the same for Manning & Jordan as they are for Allen right now. Jim Kelly didn't start going to Super Bowls until he was in his 30's. There is so much hand-wringing about Allen in the media about "will he ever?" and all that. He's 27. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Rivers couldn’t hold Allen’s jock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Elway is the comparison. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I’ll tell you in 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Beast said: Rivers couldn’t hold Allen’s jock. Funny, that was the one job I had him pencilled in for. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) We need to get him someone who doesn't shrink in the moment like Diggs has been doing. He needs more weapons. One that make it impossible to shut down everyone. Kincaid is trending towards being one of them. They need another WR to pair with Diggs and Shakir who can cause havoc and play the John Brown role. That's when the offense was at it's best...when it could threaten you vertically and you had to respect it...that opened up so much stuff underneath and even those tunnel screens with DBs backed off. They better address it in the draft this year or Beane will be neglecting the major issue for the 3rd straight year. Edited January 22 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Allen plays a very physical game and his running ability makes him two dimensional and a nightmare for defenses. I think he has a few more years left before he loses the ability to take those hits on consistent basis. I don’t see him as that impactful as a typical pocket passer with some ability to evade the rush. He doesn’t have the same skillset as a Brady or Manning. Perhaps Allen can play later in his career similar to John Elway, I don’t remember how he played past 30. Or is Brett Favre a better comparison? We have been lucky so far that he hasn’t had a significant injury as well. Time is ticking. This team is bottom 5 without Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Allen plays a very physical game and his running ability makes him two dimensional and a nightmare for defenses. I think he has a few more years left before he loses the ability to take those hits on consistent basis. I don’t see him as that impactful as a typical pocket passer with some ability to evade the rush. He doesn’t have the same skillset as a Brady or Manning. Perhaps Allen can play later in his career similar to John Elway, I don’t remember how he played past 30. Or is Brett Favre a better comparison? We have been lucky so far that he hasn’t had a significant injury as well. Time is ticking. This team is bottom 5 without Allen. Elway might be a better comparison. It's a good point about Allen's running. He'll have to adjust his game at some point. He tried earlier this season - and it didn't work. But like Elway, it could depend on the team they build around him. And Allen has a great arm & touch - he'll always be a top 5 passer, even without his running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll tell you in 10 years. Josh isn't playing 17 years with his brand of football. 8 more tops which puts him at 15 total. Odds are no superbowl if changes aren't made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 38 minutes ago, Success said: I see so many comps to Rivers & the Chargers now. Great QB, good team - but can never get over the hump. Maybe I can't get past my own bias, but I see Allen as an all-time great. Rivers was never that. It's so hard for me to imagine that Allen won't get over the hump at some point and win at least 1 title. The comparisons I prefer are Peyton Manning, who was owned by the Patriots until he wasn't, and Michael Jordan, who lost to the Pistons 3 times in the playoffs before finally besting his nemesis and moving on to become a 6-title legend. And if you were around at those times, you'll remember that the narratives were the same for Manning & Jordan as they are for Allen right now. Jim Kelly didn't start going to Super Bowls until he was in his 30's. There is so much hand-wringing about Allen in the media about "will he ever?" and all that. He's 27. What happened with both Manning and Jordan? They got rid of their head coaches that couldn’t win big and brought in the right ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Josh isn't playing 17 years with his brand of football. 8 more tops which puts him at 15 total. Odds are no superbowl if changes aren't made. There will be changes, pretty significant changes. Also Allen will mature as a QB as he gets older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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