Tiberius Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I'm sure this will fail https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/politics/haley-koch-trump-2024/index.html The 45th president’s enemies on the right are mustering for a final big money showdown designed to crush his hopes of a third consecutive Republican nomination less than 50 days before voting starts in the GOP primary race. Nikki Haley will be the lavishly funded vessel carrying the hopes of the influential network funded by billionaire Charles Koch and top industrial and corporate donors who think Donald Trump is a risk too far next November. Their bet is that the former South Carolina governor can succeed where busted 2016 $100 million front-runner Jeb Bush, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, two impeachments, old school Republicans like Mitt Romney, millions splashed by the Club for Growth and the Lincoln Project and allied groups, a 2020 election defeat, a pliant House GOP majority and several special counsels failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Yes, it will fail. But it's telling that libertarians like the Kochs (or is there really only one of them now?) have put their money behind Haley. I think her instincts are sound, and if the Republican Party is ever going to return to something other than a cult of personality, she would be a good person to start that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) The usual Big GOP money is spending big on Haley. Never mind how many people on the right don't support the old establishment GOP. Eff what the people want, its what the 5% want and are willing to pay for. hope it fails big time. Modern DEMOCRACY in action. Edited November 29, 2023 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: The usual Big GOP money is spending big on Haley. Never mind how many people on the right don't support the old establishment GOP. Eff what the people want, its what the 5% want and are willing to pay for. Modern DEMOCRACY in action. They have programmed you pretty well so far 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: They have programmed you pretty well so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: They have programmed you pretty well so far thats kinda cute coming from you. LMAO Doesn't seem that long ago that the LEFT was openly against big money influencing elections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: The usual Big GOP money is spending big on Haley. Never mind how many people on the right don't support the old establishment GOP. Eff what the people want, its what the 5% want and are willing to pay for. hope it fails big time. Modern DEMOCRACY in action. Hmm, I thought that the whole idea is that spending money on speech to influence voters the kind of thing the First Amendment protects. Money is speech and speech is money and the constitution doesn't let us get in the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC I mean, that's what your side has been arguing for a long time .... Edited November 29, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Hmm, I thought that the whole idea is that spending money on speech to influence voters the kind of thing the First Amendment protects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC I mean, that's what your side has been arguing for a long time .... The DEMS been on the winning side of the big money lotto for years. And the Right turned away from the big money politicians in 16 and don't seem to be in the mood to follow them this time. as proven by her polling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: Doesn't seem that long ago that the LEFT was openly against big money influencing elections. Can you keep one thought in your head? What does this have to do with the right putting money behind Haley? Just now, Tommy Callahan said: And the Right turned away from the big money politicians in 16 and don't seem to be in the mood to follow them this time. as proven by her polling Dumb, not true 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just now, Tommy Callahan said: And the Right turned away from the big money politicians in 16 Yeah, right. https://www.newsweek.com/sheldon-adelson-donald-trump-republicans-donations-1560883#:~:text=Sheldon Adelson Gave Trump and Republicans Over %24424 Million Since 2016,-Jan 12%2C 2021&text=The billionaire casino magnate Sheldon,key beneficiary of this largesse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) How much money is behind each campaign? - Washington Post https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/ Democratic candidates and groups spent $8.4 billion, compared to $5.3 billion for Republicans. Democrats' spending falls to $7 billion when excluding spending by billionaire presidential candidates Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer. When the crust (uniparty donor class) gives out tens of millions to these tools, the actual American trying to run doesn't get a voice. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/03/2022-midterm-election-spending-set-to-break-record.html “No other midterm election has seen as much money at the state and federal levels as the 2022 elections,” said Sheila Krumholz, OpenSecrets’ executive director. “We’re seeing record-breaking totals spent on elections up and down the ballot.” Outside groups are also taking advantage of loopholes in disclosure rules. Each of the top 7 super PACs were partially funded by dark money. Pro-Biden groups like Future Forward USA and Priorities USA Action were bankrolled by nonprofit affiliates that share the same name and staffers. Instead of directly spending money on ads, dark money groups are increasingly finding new ways to inject secret money into elections. https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/cost-of-election?cycle=2020&display=T&infl=N More money, less transparency: A decade under Citizens United • OpenSecrets Edited November 29, 2023 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/2020-cycle-cost-14p4-billion-doubling-16/ Democratic candidates and groups spent $8.4 billion, compared to $5.3 billion for Republicans. Democrats' spending falls to $7 billion when excluding spending by billionaire presidential candidates Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer. How dare Democrats beat Republicans at their own game! Remember the case I mentioned that opened the floodgates? Citizen's United? The one that said money = speech = protected by the 1st Amendment? Who the hell are "Citizen's United?" Answer: Citizens United's stated mission is to restore the United States government to "citizens' control, through a combination of education, advocacy, and grass-roots organization" seeking to "reassert the traditional American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security."[2] Citizens United is a conservative political advocacy group organized under Section 501(c)4 of the federal tax code, meaning that donations are not tax deductible. To fulfill this mission, Citizens United produces television commercials, web advertisements, and documentary films.[3] CU films have won film festival awards, including Perfect Valor (Best Documentary at the GI Film Festival) and Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny (Remi Award at Houston Worldfest International Festival).[citation needed] David Bossie has been its president since 2000. In 2016 he took a leave of absence to be deputy campaign manager of Donald Trump's campaign for President of the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_(organization) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: How dare Democrats beat Republicans at their own game! Remember the case I mentioned that opened the floodgates? Citizen's United? The one that said money = speech = protected by the 1st Amendment? Who the hell are "Citizen's United?" Answer: Citizens United's stated mission is to restore the United States government to "citizens' control, through a combination of education, advocacy, and grass-roots organization" seeking to "reassert the traditional American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty and security."[2] Citizens United is a conservative political advocacy group organized under Section 501(c)4 of the federal tax code, meaning that donations are not tax deductible. To fulfill this mission, Citizens United produces television commercials, web advertisements, and documentary films.[3] CU films have won film festival awards, including Perfect Valor (Best Documentary at the GI Film Festival) and Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny (Remi Award at Houston Worldfest International Festival).[citation needed] David Bossie has been its president since 2000. In 2016 he took a leave of absence to be deputy campaign manager of Donald Trump's campaign for President of the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_(organization) great example of a shady funded PAC effing up DEMOCRACY. and why our politicians seem to only work for that class anymore. Like this thread shows. That shady money is desperate to highlight the candidate that has very small actual support. per polling. if you're not 100% walking the walk, ACT blue and priorities isn't giving a penny, and your name isn't going to be on any ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nedboy7 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: They have programmed you pretty well so far His avatar is his actual picture. It is so dumb on here. Why do you engage w these morons? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 hours ago, nedboy7 said: His avatar is his actual picture. It is so dumb on here. Why do you engage w these morons? Kills the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Haley is trending up and the influx of cash can only help her. Whether she can overtake Trump remains to be seen but in NH it's Trump at 44%, Haley at 18%, Christie at 11% and Desantis at 7%. Should she continue her upward trajectory it's possible she could rise dramatically due to the support of women voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Precision said: support of women Who are you kidding? Nikki Haley Says She Would Have Signed Six-Week Abortion Ban as Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Welp. if they just put enough money behind her and into shady political advertisements, they might still lose a lot of money. She has no support outside the money group funding her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Has she been able to bust through that 9% ceiling in polling yet? No? Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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